Can UBI Eliminate Poverty? - Hahaha! Fuck no!

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

The cost cuts would have to be massive. Is there any specifics you can provide? A link or two maybe?
What country are you from? If you don't mind my asking.

Okay so the reason I didn't want to link it is because I'm too lazy to wade through his policy page which has a tonne of shit.

Our Policies - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

Solution-driven policies for the opioid crisis, medicare for all, basic income, gun safety, legalizing marijuana, and more.

www.yang2020.com

But since I'm already getting shat all over I might as well continue.

This article details talks about how he wants to legalise weed and then pardon non violent offenders: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...on-non-violent-offenders-420-2019-4?r=US&IR=T

He spoke about the policy on the Joe Rogan podcast episode he did. I agree with it because I think that the War on Drugs has imprisoned a lot of people who probably wouldn't be imprisoned in other countries. Removing that many people from paying taxes and turning them into tens of thousands of dollars that tax payers must pay every year must balloon expenditure.

Regarding his healthcare policies you can find a pretty undetailed thing on his website: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/

With a shift to a Medicare for All system, costs can also be controlled directly by setting prices provided for medical services. The best approach is highlighted by the top-ranked Cleveland Clinic. There, doctors are paid a flat salary instead of by a price-for-service model. This shift has led to a hospital where costs are visible and under control.

Essentially setting the prices so that insurance companies can't make a paracetamol tablet cost $250 bucks would be a fantastic way to save money. It's not as if the money isn't there to pay for healthcare costs, it's just that a massive amount of the money is going to the insurance industry.

On education: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/controlling-cost-higher-education/

Basically what I said minus the loans part. I assume it would be regulation to reduce the costs of tuition but he doesn't really go into it much here. I think he went onto it more on the Joe Rogan podcast but I honestly can't remember.

oh and I'm from Australia.

I should add that while I don't think Yangs numbers realistically add up I do think that it's an interesting thought experiment and I really like his ideas of pushing lawmakers to think about unrigging the economy for millenials, increasing the tax base of the US and making it easier for people to increase their standard of life.

If I was American I would definitely feel like a lot of the tax money spent on the military is money that could be better spent improving infrastructure, given to NASA, spent defending net neutrality or literally anything else where actual US citizens could experience some benefit.

 

[Arctic Fox]

Okay so the reason I didn't want to link it is because I'm too lazy to wade through his policy page which has a tonne of shit.

Our Policies - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

Solution-driven policies for the opioid crisis, medicare for all, basic income, gun safety, legalizing marijuana, and more.

www.yang2020.com

But since I'm already getting shat all over I might as well continue.

This article details talks about how he wants to legalise weed and then pardon non violent offenders: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...on-non-violent-offenders-420-2019-4?r=US&IR=T

He spoke about the policy on the Joe Rogan podcast episode he did. I agree with it because I think that the War on Drugs has imprisoned a lot of people who probably wouldn't be imprisoned in other countries. Removing that many people from paying taxes and turning them into tens of thousands of dollars that tax payers must pay every year must balloon expenditure.

Regarding his healthcare policies you can find a pretty undetailed thing on his website: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/



Essentially setting the prices so that insurance companies can't make a paracetamol tablet cost $250 bucks would be a fantastic way to save money. It's not as if the money isn't there to pay for healthcare costs, it's just that a massive amount of the money is going to the insurance industry.

oh and I'm from Australia.

I agree that we could cut costs in regards to prisons, and medical. I support quite a few things that Yang and others have proposed. I just don't see the cost cutting being effective enough for his proposed UBI to work. Even for the reduced versions I calculated.
I'm ignorant in regards to how Austrailia handles prisons / welfare / healthcare. Is it universal like England, and how's the prison system work there?

 

[Y2K Baby]

Okay so the reason I didn't want to link it is because I'm too lazy to wade through his policy page which has a tonne of shit.

Our Policies - Yang2020 - Andrew Yang for President

Solution-driven policies for the opioid crisis, medicare for all, basic income, gun safety, legalizing marijuana, and more.

www.yang2020.com

But since I'm already getting shat all over I might as well continue.

This article details talks about how he wants to legalise weed and then pardon non violent offenders: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...on-non-violent-offenders-420-2019-4?r=US&IR=T

He spoke about the policy on the Joe Rogan podcast episode he did. I agree with it because I think that the War on Drugs has imprisoned a lot of people who probably wouldn't be imprisoned in other countries. Removing that many people from paying taxes and turning them into tens of thousands of dollars that tax payers must pay every year must balloon expenditure.

Regarding his healthcare policies you can find a pretty undetailed thing on his website: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/



Essentially setting the prices so that insurance companies can't make a paracetamol tablet cost $250 bucks would be a fantastic way to save money. It's not as if the money isn't there to pay for healthcare costs, it's just that a massive amount of the money is going to the insurance industry.

On education: https://www.yang2020.com/policies/controlling-cost-higher-education/

Basically what I said minus the loans part. I assume it would be regulation to reduce the costs of tuition but he doesn't really go into it much here. I think he went onto it more on the Joe Rogan podcast but I honestly can't remember.

oh and I'm from Australia.

Dumb shit.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

No, because big businesses and their government cronies won't support a bill like a that. And to be honest i do find it unrealistic, like wanting to end world hunger unfortunately you can't do that and so you have to continue fighting for a better life in my opinion.

 

[Arctic Fox]

Stop being world hegemony and people will not care about your country and government. For instance, I have no opinions regarding how the Central African Republic taxes its citizens.

I don't quite get what you mean by this.

 

[Y2K Baby]

I don't quite get what you mean by this.

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Aussies, cunt.

 

[break these cuffs]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Aussies, cunt.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Aussies, cunt.

I say this constantly but they don't even have lids on their barbecues.

That's the level of titanic intellect you're dealing with; if it rains, you just panic like a toddler.

 

[break these cuffs]

I say this constantly but they don't even have lids on their barbecues.

That's the level of titanic intellect you're dealing with; if it rains, you just panic like a toddler.

let me get reel 4 a secnd w/ u, what if u papaBless the rain down in africa? how does that hurt ne1?

 

[wellthathappened]

UBI will absolutely not eliminate poverty.

I do think a flat rate payment is better than the easily gamed welfare system we currently have. If one lives within their means, fine. If one exceeds their UBI, private charity would be a requirement.

This won't happen because too many "jobs" rely on the current welfare system.

 

[Sīn the Moon Daddy]

Anyone in favor of UBI needs to understand something...

Not even Bernie supports it.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Fun fact about Australia. Its obeisty rate is also quite high. So it's a bit rich for him to call us "Amerilards"

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

I agree that we could cut costs in regards to prisons, and medical. I support quite a few things that Yang and others have proposed. I just don't see the cost cutting being effective enough for his proposed UBI to work. Even for the reduced versions I calculated.
I'm ignorant in regards to how Austrailia handles prisons / welfare / healthcare. Is it universal like England, and how's the prison system work there?

I feel like I've got to preface everything with an admission of my own brainlet status because policy discussions get very in depth quickly!

It's also hard to do specific 1:1 comparisons with the USA because from what I've read it varies drastically state by state where in Australia I think the systems tend to be more uniform.

Regarding prisons I think there are a few factors that go into why our prison rate is significantly lower as seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...rate#/media/File:Prisoners_world_map_png2.png

I'm honestly even unsure of where to start. There are two main factors which I think directly correlate to a higher standard of living for the economically disadvantaged in Australia.

The first factor is that Australian society is set up in a way to help alleviate entrenched inter-generational poverty. Welfare is not hard to obtain and is generally enough to scrape by until you find your feet, loans for education are easy to access and do not grow with interest, health care is "free" if you're prepared to wait or cheap compared to American standards if you want to be seen immediately. Compared to the US outside of some select industries wages tend to be on the higher side and the income inequality gap tends to be a lot less than it is in the US. I would say that having less people in poverty and keeping the people that are struggling afloat so that they don't do dumb shit out of desperation is something that helps Australia keep its prison population down.

The second factor is that the police in Australia and the US seem to operate differently. A big component to this I think is the prevalence of guns in the US makes cops inherently more brutal because they don't know who is strapped and has a warrant whenever they pull a car over for a routine check. However, disregarding that they still seem to operate in much shadier ways in terms of the use of excessive force, civil forfeiture and abuse of power. I do think that some politicians and people in the US see the police force as a way to settle many problems when they're clearly not the best tool for it, the police seem to be used to deal with problems like homelessness, drug addiction, mental health and in the case of many a thicc white woman "I saw a black person being black".

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

I don't quite get what you mean by this.

Essentially that the US is the only global superpower, everywhere in the world consumes American culture and is constantly bombarded by American citizens and American media about American issues. It's almost impossible not to be aware of what is going on in the USA. My point was that if the US stopped being so important to the world I wouldn't have opinions on it.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Essentially that the US is the only global superpower, everywhere in the world consumes American culture and is constantly bombarded by American citizens and American media about American issues. It's almost impossible not to be aware of what is going on in the USA. My point was that if the US stopped being so important to the world I wouldn't have opinions on it.

Here's a surprise: you're still incredibly uninformed.

 

[wellthathappened]

Essentially that the US is the only global superpower, everywhere in the world consumes American culture and is constantly bombarded by American citizens and American media about American issues. It's almost impossible not to be aware of what is going on in the USA. My point was that if the US stopped being so important to the world I wouldn't have opinions on it.

You're mad because the world clamors for our culture and media?

 

[break these cuffs]

You're mad because the world clamors for our culture and media?

USA! USA! USA!!!

I like my coffee black and my tea in the harbor

 

[Simply Outplayed-HD]

You're mad because the world clamors for our culture and media?

When did I say I was mad?

I'm just explaining how and why non US citizens know about American issues.
The USA is the largest anglophone country in the world, the world is now increasingly globalised due to the internet and social media. Even if I didn't care about politics, I would still have the cursory knowledge of the US that I do because you literally can not escape it whenever you log onto the internet.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Hey guys, let's elect the communist guy with a Chinese background as president. What could possibly go wrong?

It wouldn't surprise me if Yang were a special interest whore for China who's intent on causing an economic crash to try and prop up China as the new dominate force in the global economy. I'm glad this seems to be the common sentiment in this thread.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Essentially that the US is the only global superpower, everywhere in the world consumes American culture and is constantly bombarded by American citizens and American media about American issues. It's almost impossible not to be aware of what is going on in the USA. My point was that if the US stopped being so important to the world I wouldn't have opinions on it.

You 'mirin', bro?