Can morality be objective without God?

[Brightstar777]

Can morality be objective without God?​

 

[Rungle]

you can put your title in bold text but I still dont know what fucking shit your talking about.

 

[R00T]

He is saying that without a higher power to establish what is moral can we as humans attain a morality rooted in an objective belief system.

 

[Bloitzhole]

Objective:

(of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.

As most books on what a god thinks seem to be written, disseminated, translated and as such represented by people (and very much relate to the time they live in), I would argue that morality even with a god can never be objective, unless this particular god implants it directly into your brain using their awesome godrays.

 

[I hate women (like you)]

Yeah sure but I think it depends on whether you accept the possibility that there could be multiple objective moralities throughout various spaces and times. If you do not, then I'd say nah, because then you'd need this morality to not be a part of the process of gradual revelation of God's will that, without Him, can be called the process of world history, and would thus itself constitute itself as something divine; but I guess that depends on the philosophical perspective of the world that you hold.

 

[David Brown]

Moral law is an invention of the weak to disenfranchise the strong. Moral law is subverted at every turn by historical law.
(Name that character)

 

[PermaLurker69]

I think he is mostly talking about how people have different morals which shouldn't be if all morals are objective. I've always thought it would take omnipotence to know what is truly good and truly evil since we rarely know the consequences of our own actions.

Even if you believe in god, it is only god's judgement that determines what is good and what is evil. All humans live in sin and that is okay.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Just don't do things to people that you wouldn't want someone to do to you.

 

[Meriasek]

We got another Brightstar going?

 

[We Are The Witches]

In order to even begin to argue for morality being objective with a god, you'd have to make a good case not only for this god to actually exist, but to show how he/she/it actually adheres to the moral code proposed.

If you don't do the first, this god/authority has no more credibility than an imaginary friend who """happens to believe""" in the same things you do. And if you don't do the second, even if a god exists, it doesn't mean that it follows this moral code, that coincidentally was held by retarded people thousands of years ago.

E.g: my god punishes marriage and intimacy between homosexuals, and ultimately the only argument I have for this being objective is because I say so. Nonsense.

Even with a god like that, morality itself would have to be reformulated, so what happens if god actually holds that murdering indiscriminately is moral and 100% ethical? You'd not like that, and create another term for "morality", leaving the original one meaningless.

As for your question though: no, it never is.

 

[Sneedenhagen Chew]

Every single culture and subculture in history knows that rape is wrong. The definition of what is and is not rape varies, but it was and is always wrong to rape the in-group. So yes, objective moral standards exist regardless of Christianity even being a thing. And of course, if one objective moral standard exists, there's bound to be more; it would be really weird if there was only one.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Moral law is an invention of the weak to disenfranchise the strong. Moral law is subverted at every turn by historical law.
(Name that character)

I wanna say Mr. Rogers?

 

[I'm Retarded?]

just believe that everyone besides you is obligated to do whatever you think is right and avoid whatever you think is wrong. that's how most people do it.

 

[Rungle]

He is saying that without a higher power to establish what is moral can we as humans attain a morality rooted in an objective belief system.

In that case: Honor others humanity as you do your own.
Aka: dont be a nigger

 

[Insuficiencia renal]

Sure but you need goals, you should ask the question "What is my moral system trying to achieve?". Given a goal you should be capable of assessing what is the moral framework that objectively comes the closest to promoting these goals to the best of your knowledge.

 

[The best and greatest]

He is saying that without a higher power to establish what is moral can we as humans attain a morality rooted in an objective belief system.

Short answer: No because morality isn't predicated on wisdom, but authority. You can make whatever moral claim you want and I can easily counter it every time with the exact same question

"Says who?"
Without an explicit authoritative source for morality, who's to say if your morality is 'more objective' than mine?

 

[Cats]

It is.

I vividly remember the first time that I hurt someone, I was barely three years old and it was the worst feeling I have ever felt when I realized what I had just done. I was sitting on the floor by the fireplace with my cat Smokey during a power outage. The cozy fire was going, and I was playing with his ears and remember thinking how they were so soft. being a toddler, I mindlessly took a nibble on one.

That wonderful cat. he didn't hiss, didn't hit me, didn't pull away or anything. He just turned and gently looked at me. It was almost like he was telepathically communicating everything that followed. I looked back at him and understood, somehow. Reached my hand up to touch my lips. There was just the tiniest trickle of blood on my finger. All at once, the concept of "other people", their individual pain and sadness, isolated from my own consciousness, my ability as a living thing to cause harm to others, all of it - it clicked into place all at once inside my three year old brain. I have never felt such an enormous and terrifying sensation in my life, it was like a "widening" of consciousness. I feel like he was using that opportunity to teach me. I know it sounds crazy, but if you'd been in my position you'd have felt it too. When I started to cry, he curled up in my lap. And that was that.

Morality and empathy can and do come from within, completely irrelevant of some threat of punishment or "higher power". It came to me like magic that day when I was 3 years old, sitting with my cat by the fire.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

No, because morality is completely based on an agreed upon yielding to higher power. Unlike what faggot atheist's tell you, you do actually need a book to tell you that murder is wrong.

I love it when people say they because I just mention abortion and watch the chimp out.

 

[Brightstar777]

No

 

[The Last Stand]

I'd begrudgingly say yes. Morality is a system based on right or wrong behavior. You shouldn't need God to know what is right or wrong. HOW you'd define right or wrong, with some exceptions, can be subjective. I say "begrudgingly" because I'm not a philosopher.