California Independence Could Be on 2028 Ballot - If it would lead to politicians facing a firing squad, I will vote for it.

Article: https://www.newsweek.com/california-independence-could-2028-ballot-2020785
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California Secretary of State Shirley Weber has approved a campaign to gather signatures petitioning for a vote on whether the Golden State should leave the U.S. and become an independent country.

Newsweek contacted Marcus Evans, who is running the campaign, and the White House for comment via email on Saturday outside regular office hours.

Why It Matters​

California is by some margin the wealthiest and most populous state in the union. According to the International Monetary Fund's 2023 World Economic Outlook, California had the fifth largest economy in the world, placing it behind Japan and ahead of India and the United Kingdom.

Calexit, a group that campaigns for Californian independence, described Trump's presidential election win in November as "an attack on everything California cares about" and argued that it strengthened the state's case for secession. In 2024, the Texas Republican Party included in its policy platform a call for a referendum on the state becoming "an independent nation."

What To Know​

On Thursday, Weber announced that the independence petition initiative, which Evans launched from Fresno, could begin collecting signatures.

To have an independence vote included on California's 2028 election ballot, campaigners must gather 546,651 signatures—constituting 5 percent of the total votes cast for Governor Gavin Newsom in November 2022—and submit them to county elections officials by July 22, 2025.

The question proposed by the campaign is "Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?"

According to the campaign, if at least 50 percent of registered Californian voters cast their ballots, and at least 55 percent of participants vote "yes," it would constitute "a vote of no confidence in the United States of America" and an "expression of the will of the people of California" to become an independent state.

The results of the vote would not be legally binding, and the federal government would be under no obligation to respect its outcome.

The proposal would create a commission to "report on California's viability as independent country." It would also provide $10 million as a one-off payment for the commission and election and an additional $2 million from state coffers to run the commission each year.

What People Are Saying​

Calexit wrote on its website on November 6: "Californians did not put their full faith and trust behind the Calexit option in 2016. Now it is 2024, and Trump is back, and he will come with even more tools and skill and supporters than last time. Do we need to wait until 2028 to realize that this is the trajectory of the country we share borders with."

User @iAnonPatriot on X, formerly Twitter, told his more than 450,000 followers on Friday: "Liberals are now pushing for California to become an independent country."

What Happens Next​

The U.S. Constitution does not include a mechanism for state secession. In 1869, following the Civil War, the Supreme Court ruled that the act of admitting a state into the Union was final, with "no place for reconsideration, or revocation except through revolution, or through consent of the states."

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Let's be honest, if California really did try this; the military bases in the states borders would be mobilized to retake it. You have all the Army at Ft. Irwin, and Navy / Marine Corps from LA to San Diego. They'd just carve a war path up I-5 to San Francisco or Sacramento or wherever the fuck these retards think they'll be safe. No one's gonna let go of this much coastline or that many ports; and neither the illegals or the citizenry will be motivated to defend it.
 
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>Republican enters office
>Democrat states vote to secede
>Abraham Lincoln status: literally 1861 all over again
 
We see these articles every 4 years, right after Presidential elections, just with different states depending on who’s in and who’s out. In ‘21 it was TX & FL, in ‘17 it was Cali, in ‘13 and ‘09 is was Texas again. Don’t folks ever get tired of this same old shit?

No State will ever be allowed to secede. The CSA attempted it and the USA demonstrated the lengths to which it will go to prevent that from happening. “Red” or “Blue”, doesn’t matter which, they’ll see a State laid waste with its entire population dead/wounded before they’ll cede even an inch of territory.

“You’re worthless, and if you try to leave me I’ll kill you”
 
Just verbal masturbation. Nothing will happen even if the measure gets on the ballot.

There are actually at least two Californias. First is Coastal CA, which has most of the crazies. You have far northern CA, mixed, which wants to do their own thing and not be fucked with by Sacramento. Get in from the coast and you have the rest of CA, rather conservative. You also have a lot of conservatives, like me, living in Coastal CA.

Am not a Californian, am an American who lives in California. BIG difference. I don't subscribe to California values. I go with American values. Six million people in CA voted for President Trump in November. Think they'll support secession? Think they'll pick up a gun and fight for a CA Dem governor? The coastal crazies sure won't. Please...

 
Just verbal masturbation. Nothing will happen even if the measure gets on the ballot.

There are actually at least two Californias. First is Coastal CA, which has most of the crazies. You have far northern CA, mixed, which wants to do their own thing and not be fucked with by Sacramento. Get in from the coast and you have the rest of CA, rather conservative. You also have a lot of conservatives, like me, living in Coastal CA.

Am not a Californian, am an American who lives in California. BIG difference. I don't subscribe to California values. I go with American values. Six million people in CA voted for President Trump in November. Think they'll support secession? Think they'll pick up a gun and fight for a CA Dem governor? The coastal crazies sure won't. Please...

This is how I take it every time I see this kind of stuff crop up, and I don't live in California for honesty's sake.

I'm in a good mood and will say many - no, a majority of Californians - ARE Americans with rightful American values and who correctly see California as integral American territory being held hostage by those coastal crazies. I actually think a lot of people should remember just how much California swung right this past election and begin the process of reaching out to help the conservatives and even centrists claw back control from the far-left extremists plaguing the state.

California deserves better than Cali-Dems, that's for goddamn sure.
 
The proposal would create a commission to "report on California's viability as independent country." It would also provide $10 million as a one-off payment for the commission and election and an additional $2 million from state coffers to run the commission each year.

THAT is what this is about. Not independence or anything else. Just a way for certain people to steal more money from the state. Once that commission is established, it will never go away.
 
THAT is what this is about. Not independence or anything else. Just a way for certain people to steal more money from the state. Once that commission is established, it will never go away.
Well how else are people who got degrees in political science expected to earn money? Get a job teaching?

I joke but that's literally what the career outlook is for a Poli-Sci major.
 
On one hand, I believe in the right to self-determination and I don't want anyone to die shooting it out over something like this, especially with the deep emotional connection I have to the War.

On the other hand, it feels very perverse to imagine that the likes of them would get to walk away free without getting the same experience.

Just verbal masturbation. Nothing will happen even if the measure gets on the ballot.

There are actually at least two Californias. First is Coastal CA, which has most of the crazies. You have far northern CA, mixed, which wants to do their own thing and not be fucked with by Sacramento. Get in from the coast and you have the rest of CA, rather conservative. You also have a lot of conservatives, like me, living in Coastal CA.

Am not a Californian, am an American who lives in California. BIG difference. I don't subscribe to California values. I go with American values. Six million people in CA voted for President Trump in November. Think they'll support secession? Think they'll pick up a gun and fight for a CA Dem governor? The coastal crazies sure won't. Please...

American Nations by Woodward makes a lot of sense out of this. There is literally a hidden ethnic faultline through the state. "Coastal" California was first settled (Woodward uses a thing he calls "the doctrine of first effective settlement," the first people to actually settle on a large scale set the cultural tone for all other comers) by Yankees who came by ship. The inland was settled by a mixture of backcountry Americans (quite a few, particularly in SoCal, from the Upland South), Germans and just other randos that were more representative of the mix that the rest of the American West had. You get a similar thing in Oregon where a large number of Upland Southerners settled the backcountry and cause there to be this weird blotch of Baptist Christianity in what's otherwise the Atheist Belt.

The same holds true all up and down that coast. It's not a case of coast people being inherently deranged. The so-called "East Coast" stops hard south of the Beltway, literally this tiny little sliver of the Atlantic Coast is "coastal" in the sense anybody means, it's mostly the South.

Woodward can show you the same thing (mind, this guy PREFERS New England culture) with the Great Lakes. Why are Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Chicago, Cleveland, etc. so retarded while Indiana, Little Egypt and the rest of Ohio are Crackerstan? Because Yankees are attracted to large bodies of water like flies to shit. Consequence of maritime industries, naturally moving into lands at similar latitudes, a number of factors. Even the fucking Mormons (Yankees) went and found the biggest body of water they possibly could in the middle of a god-forsaken desert. Yankees love water that much.
 
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