Bullying V2

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Bullying is a noble tradition. When I was a lad, it was a privilege to be kicked across the rugby pitch by the school bully. O, how I yearned to some day work my way up to the position of School Bully, or even Chief Crony, but alas! It was not to be. Featherstonehaugh Major, the School Bully in my first year at school, went on to become King of Spain. Meanwhile Brampton Minor, the odious little slug who opposed bullying so vocally, is now a low-level civil servant and suspected homosexual. Gentlemen! We can learn from this.
 
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Kind of mixed on this.

On one hand, bullying in a way does teach children about how to deal with certain people, and the bully in question may learn that that kind of behavior is not okay. Plus you know, kids will be kids and rough housing (to put it lightly) is kind of a normal thing to do.

I don't really condone bullying to the point where you're torturing the victim or placing their life at risk.
 
i wouldn't classify that as bullying, thats actively going out of your way to destroy them

Perhaps. The term bullying is used in such a broad sense I feel. Like, what would actually be considered bullying? Teasing? Making jokes about someone? What some people might consider bullying might just be light-hearted fun to others. It depends on the context of the situation I guess.

I will also agree that if you're doing something that brings you negative attention, it shouldn't be surprising that bullies will use that to push your buttons.
 
if you're being bullied you've brought it upon yourself

'bullies' don't just chose a random person and go after them

I'm just gonna throw this out there, as someone who works with the department of education. Here in NY, there's a reason we have mandatory DASA training (Dignity for All Students Act) training twice a year, and why it's now a criminal offense to not fucking do something about bullying if you see it under the goddamned law. That reason is because the districts in NY had a lengthy history of ignoring bullying, often using shit like the "boys will be boys" and "girls don't bully," essentially abdicating any responsibility for doing anything about it, until we had about 20 suicides over the course of 3 years. And that's on Long Island alone.

It got so bad, essentially, that New York State stepped in.

Do you have any idea how hard things have to fuck up before New York State steps in to do anything? It's become a way worse problem over the last 30 or so years, and not because of advancing technology. It's become worse because, through inaction on the part of people who otherwise would have locked that shit down, people became aware that they could get away with this shit. Meanwhile, those who get victimized by this get a double whammy since they (A) have some asshole fucking with them who was essentially immune to any retaliation for their actions, and (B) they then had the district being openly complicit in making shit like that happen. And this is when the school itself wasn't an active participant in such dickery.

Like in this case.
Or this.

And those are just the cases of kids with special needs. You can't even ponder how many cases of kids without such problems are out there and simply don't get reported at all. Everyone in the district knows just how often administrative staff drops the ball on these. It's practically a fucking meme by now. And worse: it's not just New York where this kind of shit happened. This led to incidents like Alan Kearby (an incident which ended in a fucking mass shooting, wherein Kearby specifically targetted the teachers and staff that did nothing over his bullying) and dozens of others, and all of them followed the same pattern: those who should have been doing their fucking jobs were asleep at the switch.

Now we have to have laws like DASA on the books, and now everyone in education needs to have shit that most of us already know drilled into us because of assholes who couldn't be bothered to do their fucking job properly, and failed in their most basic fucking mission statement to keep the kids in their care safe.

Perhaps. The term bullying is used in such a broad sense I feel. Like, what would actually be considered bullying? Teasing? Making jokes about someone? What some people might consider bullying might just be light-hearted fun to others. It depends on the context of the situation I guess.

I will also agree that if you're doing something that brings you negative attention, it shouldn't be surprising that bullies will use that to push your buttons.

Gonna answer that briefly with another poster here to make a point:

i wouldn't classify that as bullying, thats actively going out of your way to destroy them

Bullying covers a very specific form of behavior under DASA. Simple teasing of a target is not sufficient, even if it's long-term. Bullying under DASA covers behavior that:

1. Is long-term and specifically intended to isolate and/or alienate the target
2. Is part of a clear pattern of behavior
3. Directly impedes the subject's ability to function within the learning environment
4. Specifically centered around subjects that are most often not within the victim's control (circumstances of birth, race, economic status, sexual orientation, physical/mental handicaps, sex, etc)

This, I feel, is the most accurate definition of the term, and it's certainly the one legally codified by DASA.
 
Wow that was a pretty unnecessary essay (i didn't read it by the way lol)

Also don't go around openly stating you work for the department of education on a forum devoted to stalking and harassing autistic people
 
Bullying helped me in my youth. Sucked at the time, but it was undoubtedly positive in my situation. Some people thrive on opportunity and others thrive on challenge...
 
Dude... it's Detroit. It's always been a toilet.

For at least the past three decades, sure, but before that, it was the auto industry capital of America. Now the only thing they ever produce is crack and houses worth a dollar each.
 
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