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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Are the negative attributes a lot of Americans apply to boomers prevalent in the UK? There's certainly bound to be some, but I feel like "boomerism" is more of an American phenomenon.
There's similarities and differences. In my experience, boomers in the US and UK are both well-off. But while US Boomers are profligate, UK Boomers are still cheapskates.

Despite having two very good pensions and owning their home outright, they'll complain that lunch cost £20 at Wagamama, even though they can easily afford it. They will drive an hour to a garden centre where they get a free coffee. They'll take the bus instead of the tube because they have a free pass, even if it doesn't take them where they want to go. They'll claim the winter fuel allowance when they don't need it, on the basis that "they paid in".

So they're hoarding wealth and screwing over younger generations like in the US. But, in a very British fashion, they're not even really enjoying it. I think that's the main difference between UK and US boomers.
 
Sounds like a really sad situation that many people have and are going through, but I don't think the majority of them get radicalized and want to assassinate a politician. Let's see his voting history, browsing history, if this was done to a left-wing politician it would be branded as an assassination on BBC news, blown the fuck up 10x.
There's similarities and differences. In my experience, boomers in the US and UK are both well-off. But while US Boomers are profligate, UK Boomers are still cheapskates.

Despite having two very good pensions and owning their home outright, they'll complain that lunch cost £20 at Wagamama, even though they can easily afford it. They will drive an hour to a garden centre where they get a free coffee. They'll take the bus instead of the tube because they have a free pass, even if it doesn't take them where they want to go. They'll claim the winter fuel allowance when they don't need it, on the basis that "they paid in".

So they're hoarding wealth and screwing over younger generations like in the US. But, in a very British fashion, they're not even really enjoying it. I think that's the main difference between UK and US boomers.
Considering this is your personal experience, It's important to note that it wouldn't be wise to treat all boomers as one homogeneous group. Plenty of povo boomers/elderly, especially in tiny council flats etc.
 
Considering this is your personal experience, It's important to note that it wouldn't be wise to treat all boomers as one homogeneous group. Plenty of povo boomers/elderly, especially in tiny council flats etc.
Oh yeah, of course. I'm not saying they're all like that, we're taking about every single person between the ages of like 60-80 years old.

And for the record, my parents are the nicest people you'd ever meet and I'd never have a go at them. They're great.
 
But, in a very British fashion, they're not even really enjoying it. I think that's the main difference between UK and US boomers.
I think this is a pretty accurate take. Many UK boomers remember rationing. They instinctively conserve resources and count pennies, and that’s part of why they tend to be in a good situation today.

Buying a house for £1000 that turns into £500,000 doesn’t hurt either though.
 
So they're hoarding wealth
AKA saving money, which is sensible when there's no guarantee they'll receive NHS care when they need it (several Boomers I know have had to empty their savings accounts to pay for necessary operations like hip replacements and removing cataracts that the NHS either denied they needed or placed them on a 10 year waiting list while they're responsible for the daytime care of their grandchildren). In addition to their concern that the state pension will be means-tested while they still rely on it.
And if they do end up "hoarding wealth" which isn't spent while retired, that ends up being inherited by the younger generations or stolen taxed by the government, so I don't see how they're screwing anyone over.
 
AKA saving money, which is sensible when there's no guarantee they'll receive NHS care when they need it (several Boomers I know have had to empty their savings accounts to pay for necessary operations like hip replacements and removing cataracts that the NHS either denied they needed or placed them on a 10 year waiting list while they're responsible for the daytime care of their grandchildren). In addition to their concern that the state pension will be means-tested while they still rely on it.
While a lot of boomers are 'rich' in that they outright own a house, have reasonable savings and have a pension income that's more than their outgoings, that wealth is only maintained by living relatively modestly. The current value of their house is largely immaterial as it's just the house that they live in and likely want to keep living in until they die. Their savings might look healthy, but they are irreplaceable. They aren't earning enough to replace them, they aren't likely to get a windfall in the future. So they try not to touch them because they know an emergency could be on the horizon.

And their mindset is to live sensibly. If they have £300 a week, they spend no more than £275 a week, which includes the £50-100 a week they earmark for putting towards annual spends like insurance, Christmas and maybe a holiday, because they aren't going to touch their savings pot for that kind of thing. So yeah, that means bringing a flask on a long journey, so they don't have to go to Costa, or choosing where to get lunch based on if the deal is good and only drinking tapwater. But if they didn't live like that, they'd run out of money pretty fast. And I don't think they are miserable living like that either, it's just what they are used to.
 
There's similarities and differences. In my experience, boomers in the US and UK are both well-off. But while US Boomers are profligate, UK Boomers are still cheapskates.

Despite having two very good pensions and owning their home outright, they'll complain that lunch cost £20 at Wagamama, even though they can easily afford it. They will drive an hour to a garden centre where they get a free coffee. They'll take the bus instead of the tube because they have a free pass, even if it doesn't take them where they want to go. They'll claim the winter fuel allowance when they don't need it, on the basis that "they paid in".

So they're hoarding wealth and screwing over younger generations like in the US. But, in a very British fashion, they're not even really enjoying it. I think that's the main difference between UK and US boomers.
I don't think Boomers eat at Wagamama. It's probably more like the Beefeater !

If they want to drive an hour to a garden centre to get a free coffee, whether it makes economic sense or not ( perhaps they like the day out and the drive is part of it ) they have earned the right by doing the 40 odd years of graft before and paying into the system. If they are cheapskates, perhaps that's because they grew up during a period of time when resources were very scarce and it is difficult to adjust an early programming of not to be wasteful.

I understand the basis of "they paid in". So you wouldn't claim money from the government you're entitled to ?! I hate to break it to you, but I've had 30 years of paying into this system and getting fuck all in return ( I get NO benefits, they would have let me starve when made redundant in 08, despite having paid in hundreds of thousands in tax ) so I'm going to be claiming everything I can when and if I ever get to the age they decide I can officially retire.

Hoarding wealth ? What the fuck are they supposed to do with the assets they've gathered over a lifetime of work ? Give them away to the government to piss away on people that don't even belong here or have never worked a day in their life ? Perhaps that way they can work 40 years, give what they've worked for away and then go straight to the poor home...or better yet, let's scrap retirement and just euthanize the gullible fuckers.

I wouldn't mind but our wonderful socialist overlords are looking to tax inheritance even more heavily. So the way to pass on the wealth to future generations is likely to become much less efficient ( based on the fact that the Labour government will just piss the tax money away on browns or disabled trans fatties ).

I don't see whether they're enjoying it or not is a factor. They've earned the right to spend their retirement years how they see fit.
You say that they're screwing over future generations - but an aweful lot of people get on the housing ladder thanks to the bank of Mum and Dad - these people are normally approaching pension age, so I don't think they're that mean. I think the difference here is possibly whether you think older generations are mean with their own offspring or mean in terms of contributing to the state. Personally I can't understand the former, but I totally get why they wouldn't want to fund the socialist parasite.

Why and how are the older generation screwing over the younger one ? I think this rhetoric is lazy and trotted out by people looking for excuses. It's the same with the other side who say the younger generation are workshy, lazy and disruptive in the workplace. All of these arguments are just trotted out to divide the indigenous population - they are distractions put forward by a failing state.
 
All of these arguments are just trotted out to divide the indigenous population - they are distractions put forward by a failing state.
In this case, it's a psy-op to give the government room to seize assets under the promise that it'll free up housing for the yoof. What they fail to mention is that they'll give it all to immigrants.
 
An educated, technologically advanced group of terrorists would be the most terrifying thing to happen and every single day would be a game of praying before leaving the house, but therein lies the paradox. If you're smart enough to perform a horrific act of terror and get away with it... you're probably smart enough to NOT fall for the Islamic shit that would make you a terrorist in the first place. Most people capable of reading Spot The Dog are capable of realising that dying isn't a good thing
This was the difference between ISIS and the Taliban iirc. The Taliban leaders came from mostly Western universities, engineering, and the like. ISIS hired literal retards.

Sounds like a really sad situation that many people have and are going through, but I don't think the majority of them get radicalized and want to assassinate a politician. Let's see his voting history, browsing history, if this was done to a left-wing politician it would be branded as an assassination on BBC news, blown the fuck up 10x.
Looks about the right age for schizophrenia as well. Only the mentally unwell are attracted to extremist politics, and I genuinely believe that faceless discord chats and echo chambers create some kind of pseudo-schizophrenia or psychosis. You're just talking to 'no one' all day.

Burnham set to announce plans for new North Sea oil and gas drilling when he becomes Prime Minister on Monday, breaking Labour's 2024 manifesto on his first day (a new record?) (X). They must be able to see the writing on the wall with the energy prices, especially with how many businesses and shops are closing over it. Polanski is already whining about the drilling rumours. One of my favourite bars just shut down, lefty place, and I was surprised to see them be so open about how energy costs and NI under Labour had forced them to close.
Rumours that Police Scotland are brining Aberdeen Uni to task over that airport dilating tranny, could be something interesting about to come out. Protests on schemes are also continuing, though low level, there is a protest organised for the East End today.

Anyway here's another footie article, and holy shit the middle class do chose weird names don't they? Some bint complaining about 'summer of love for England'. There's a bit of discussion about how the football patriotism is boosting the right wing in Germany and France too, you can't use 'if we didn't have migrants we'd have no footy' when you lose. Highlighting this paragraph here; though the whole thing is chock-full of retarded quotes.
But 14 years on, the UK feels like a very different future. There is a soaring cost of living and my girls face an uncertain future. Brexit stripped them of freedom of movement by taking away their automatic right to easily live, work, or retire in any of the 27 EU member states. The country feels small and increasingly isolated, more interested in looking backwards to a golden past that never really existed. It’s hard to get on the UK property ladder; there’s job insecurity, student debt, and the threat of AI contributing to the younger generation’s growing anxiety that the future isn’t one to get excited about.
I wonder who's fault that is. Also 'hope is coming home', GAG.

My kids have become English patriots and I feel a bit weird about it (X)​

It’s a new theme: a World Cup sleepover. And that is exactly what my daughter Lola, 10, and a couple of her friends were demanding on Saturday night for the unbelievably tense England v Norway match.

It’s the first time she’s shown any interest in football. Euros have come and gone, she even missed the earlier England v Congo match and I refused to let her watch England v Mexico which ended up starting at 2am. For the quarter-final, though it was a non-negotiable, there had to be a World Cup sleepover somewhere, somehow.

I didn’t rush to suggest it at our place.

The thought of my open plan living room/kitchen being destroyed and turned into a children’s chill-out space with blow-up mattresses and empty Haribo packets is always something I can do without, however much I like the idea of them cheering on England – which, let’s face it, is a novelty.

So when her friend Balthazar’s mum offered to hold it at her house down the road in west London with Lola and her best friend, I was over the moon – and ended up watching the match with them. As they sat on the sofa, and ate brioche that another mum had packed them as snacks, I stood by the TV gripped unable to leave with my car keys in my hand. My other daughter Liberty, seven, was also cheering on England but in Earls Court at her best friend’s house.


Nothing beats that feeling of excitement – preceding triumph or heartbreak when you are united in solidarity – and my children have never experienced that communal bonding other than at sports day competing against their school houses: Paddington, Phoenix, Lovelace and Shakespeare.


This was different: it was supporting England on a global stage. Every pub we drove past on our way to the sleepover had bunting and St George’s flags up. This is a summer of love for England and it was rubbing off on my children like they were being spurted out of a propaganda machine.

I wasn’t really sure about how I felt. The truth is, of course, I’m happy we’re all experiencing the solidarity of supporting England, but I can’t pretend this sudden outpouring of love for our country is also glossing over uncomfortable truths about the real state of the UK. And it’s also provoking some pretty uncomfortable other behaviours too.

So what if my children were waving England flags out of the car windows on their way to school? The only time we see these flags is at terrifying far-right Tommy Robinson marches

While the football is a rare, unifying communal celebration giving a sense of identity, belonging, and culture, I couldn’t help wincing when my children insulted Norway and started calling them “idiots”. Then, as soon as Jude Bellingham scored that first goal – my children may as well have been singing “Rule Britannia!” or “Land of Hope and Glory” with their hands on their hearts for their love of their country.


When Bellingham scored his second goal, they ran around screaming: “England is the best!” and “I love England!” It was odd. I’d never seen Lola patriotic before – and while I felt happy they were feeling so joyous about this team of brilliant young men, I don’t know if I can now put an England flag in the window or wave England flags out of the car on our way to school, as I am being begged to do.

On the upside, this new enthusiasm for flag-waving is no bad thing. It is reclaiming it from Reform UK and racists, who have despicably used the St George’s flag and Union Jack as symbols of national pride and shared British identity while dividing the country over racial lines. Until recently, the only time my daughters have ever seen the England flag out in full force is at terrifying far-right Tommy Robinson’s “Unite the Kingdom” marches, draped over men and women wearing red “Make England Great Again” hats.

I’d only really experienced patriotism from my late father, who had lived through the Second World War – and my children had been too young to take in his stories about air raid shelters before he died in 2024. When I asked Lola, what England means to her, she looked a bit confused and then said: “It’s a big place – and I love it. We beat Norway.”


Of course, there was a lot of joyous flag-waving of William and Kate’s royal wedding in 2011 and the 2012 Olympic Games the year after that. Then it felt like the whole country was united over a national event and there was true pride in how we could put on a show. But a decade on since Brexit, this feeling has soured somewhat. Flag waving has been something to be embarrassed about, and even King Charles’s coronation in 2023 felt more like a pious occasion than one to get the bunting out for.

For the past few years, the surge of flags being hoisted up all over the UK are seen as contributing to fear and division in communities, rather than a unifying force. This whiff of something darker hasn’t stopped during the World Cup and Oxfordshire County Council has just gained a permanent injunction to stop the flying of flags from lamposts.

On the upside, this new enthusiasm for flag-waving is no bad thing. It is reclaiming it from Reform UK and racists

But in our household, the flags are out in force and I’m okay with that; it feels like we haven’t been able to feel this unashamedly proud and patriotic since that glorious summer of sport of 2012.

Then it inspired a huge surge of civic pride and inclusive patriotism across the UK, with an opening ceremony directed by Danny Boyle – which celebrated all that was great about Britain. Team GB finished third in the medal table with 29 gold medals, which further boosted UK morale.

But 14 years on, the UK feels like a very different future. There is a soaring cost of living and my girls face an uncertain future. Brexit stripped them of freedom of movement by taking away their automatic right to easily live, work, or retire in any of the 27 EU member states. The country feels small and increasingly isolated, more interested in looking backwards to a golden past that never really existed. It’s hard to get on the UK property ladder; there’s job insecurity, student debt, and the threat of AI contributing to the younger generation’s growing anxiety that the future isn’t one to get excited about.


According to a new poll, commissioned by the John Smith Centre at Glasgow University, the number of young adults expecting their lives to be better than their parents’ had nearly halved in a year, from 63 per cent to just 36 per cent.

Maybe this explains the renewed flag fervour we are seeing today. Not only is it terribly exciting to see England get into the semi-finals, but there is a human desire to find a pocket of joy in these straitened times. Traditional British patriotism is a plaster over a wound, covering up our problems, but, complicated feelings aside, it has been a balm to see my children so happy about the country they live in.

I’m glad the flags are out in their box loads for the World Cup and we are finding some kind of national solidarity, even if it might be business as usual if we don’t win. I have everything crossed that England beat Argentina on Wednesday in the World Cup semi-final. Come on England! We need this more than ever – hope is coming home.

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So when her friend Balthazar’s mum offered to hold it at her house down the road in west London with Lola and her best friend, I was over the moon – and ended up watching the match with them. As they sat on the sofa, and ate brioche that another mum had packed them as snacks, I stood by the TV gripped unable to leave with my car keys in my hand. My other daughter Liberty, seven, was also cheering on England but in Earls Court at her best friend’s house.


Nothing beats that feeling of excitement – preceding triumph or heartbreak when you are united in solidarity – and my children have never experienced that communal bonding other than at sports day competing against their school houses: Paddington, Phoenix, Lovelace and Shakespeare.

Is this article a joke? I assume it's meant sincerely but it reads like a mockery of someone of this mindset.
 
Is this article a joke? I assume it's meant sincerely but it reads like a mockery of someone of this mindset.
Charlotte Cripps is a real writer for the independent, shes the Senior Culture Writer. She's also open about having a favourite child (something which is fine, but something you are not meant to admit to, ever, unless one child is a paedo, imho), loving the social media ban for children, choosing IVF, struggling to get her nanny/babysitter to stay on, talks about why Taylor Swift should give Travis her surname instead, and admitting that her kids are embarrassed of her.
I, for one, am shocked and appalled that she has not changed her surname from the horrendously offensive Cr*pps to something that does not mock disabled people. Shame on her!
 
If they want to drive an hour to a garden centre to get a free coffee, whether it makes economic sense or not ( perhaps they like the day out and the drive is part of it ) they have earned the right by doing the 40 odd years of graft before and paying into the system.
Wow, maybe my post came off as overly critical? I certainly didn't intend it that way - I was just replying to someone asking about differences between here and the US. Of course they have the "right", I'm just saying it's not how I would live (I'm putting shitloads away in my pension and I plan to enjoy it).

Maybe "hoarding wealth" is not what I really mean. Again, I didn't intend it to be some scathing criticism. I don't want them to do any particular thing with their money other than actually spend it.
 
It's probably more like the Beefeater
Love a good beefeater, but we have pretty nice old/traditional pubs where I live, spoiled for choice. The kinda pub where if anyone other than a "whitey" walks in, the whole pub goes quiet.
discord chats and echo chambers create some kind of pseudo-schizophrenia or psychosis. You're just talking to 'no one' all day.
That’s good that the government has classified Bluesky and Discord as safe spaces for under-16s then! Perhaps we can lower the typical age threshold for diagnosing schizophrenia to adolescence while we’re at it.
I genuinely despise the traditional middle class, the kind who are stereotyped in "outnumbered" (awful show). You are watching a football match, your children are having fun, face painting, flags, finger food, everyone smiling and enjoying themselves, and your priority worry at the moment is if your children are going to become right-wing, nationalists because they are proud of their countries football team? Get fucked you stupid cunt and go pay £20 in Wagamama, with your waitress being a jeet pooner named Skyler!:ratface:
 
Wow, maybe my post came off as overly critical? I certainly didn't intend it that way - I was just replying to someone asking about differences between here and the US. Of course they have the "right", I'm just saying it's not how I would live (I'm putting shitloads away in my pension and I plan to enjoy it).

Maybe "hoarding wealth" is not what I really mean. Again, I didn't intend it to be some scathing criticism. I don't want them to do any particular thing with their money other than actually spend it.
It didn't. Eddy is an Old and he doesn't like people being mean to the older Olds. He's Old like thatOld!
 
Why and how are the older generation screwing over the younger one ? I think this rhetoric is lazy and trotted out by people looking for excuses. It's the same with the other side who say the younger generation are workshy, lazy and disruptive in the workplace. All of these arguments are just trotted out to divide the indigenous population - they are distractions put forward by a failing state.
Immigrants and the NGOs as well as politicians that support them pose a greater threat to Britain then the elderly.
 
I'm not linking to any article because it'll reveal exactly where I am at the minute, but a local Indian restaurant (that's renowned for being absolutely fucking terrible) had a visit from the pigs this week. A few street shitters got arrested for being there illegally.

I imagine they won't be deported - because of course - and four people hardly makes a difference. I just found it odd to see immigration law actually being enforced in a small village in the middle of nowhere. Kind of took me by surprise.
 
I imagine they won't be deported - because of course - and four people hardly makes a difference. I just found it odd to see immigration law actually being enforced in a small village in the middle of nowhere. Kind of took me by surprise.
They've been doing immigration raids in Croydon and Redditch too, couple Evri workers. No fines for Evri or DPD or everyone else using illegal labour of course. I heard rumours of the fish and chip shops being raided in Leamington too, all Pakis who won't be taken back. I do wonder if we are gonna get more illegal labour/slave labour raids with Burnham in power, because you can't tax workers who don't exist on the payroll, and he is gonna need as much fucking tax as possible for all his plans. IDK what's gonna happen to them all though if they are just released on bail.
 
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