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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

@Chunky Salsa right now

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

@Chunky Salsa right now

 

[Corette]

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My debt is paid, niggers.

Shouldn't those things be written in their native French?

edit. I mean that surrendering part; no need to sully Romance languages with praise of midgets.

 

[Overly Serious]

Let's do some math. Not maths you dirty bong

Maths. The abbreviation of a plural should also be a plural. Unless you're telling me you get up in the morning and put on your pant.

Britain is already poor so you have the worst of both worlds. Your public getting distracted by misused GDP statistics is the fault of the people misleading, and your people for allowing themselves to be successfully misled. Now, looking into it, Restore wants to replace GDP with kilowatt hours per capita divided by the cost per kWh

The people who get screwed over by chasing GDP aren't fooled by it. And nor are the people who do the screwing. It's a fig-leaf for economists to use when they're hired to justify the latest act of greed.

The point here is that replacing GDP with (kWh per capita / kWh cost) is not really illuminating to the magnitude Restore seems to think it is. The difference between 7.22 and 7.49 is 3.67%, that is, using Restore's statistic, the UK economy appears approx. 3.7% worse off compared to the US economy than it does using a straight GDP comparison. Of course, the UK's economy is much, much worse off than America's, worse off than is revealed by using either a GDP comparison or a Restore kWh formula comparison

Thanks for the remedial arithmetic, I've skipped to the point. There's little to be learned by comparing 7.22 of X with 7.49 of Y when they're different things. The point would be to compare a series of X and a series of Y and see which approximates other indicators of a healthy society best. GDP has soared over the past decades:


But do we really think that life in 2026 is *squints* 3.5x better than it was in 1990?

Spoiler: Before someone brings up GDP per Capita.

Same applies.

(And yes, these are UK figures, the source just uses USD).

Now here is a chart I just made for the years of data I had KWh prices for. As you can see it's not just a soaring chart of lunacy, it actually shows a declining trend - the exact opposite of GDP.


For you to say 7.2 is not much different than 7.4 so they're the same is like someone saying someone falling off a cliff is the same as a person climbing up the side of it, because you can find an altitude where the numbers happen to be similar.

I can't speak to how meaningful the proposed metric is but I can speak to how crappy and misused the GDP is. Also, Restore are proposing it as a measure of Britain's Industrial Capacity which is far more appropriate than the scattershot way GDP is used. If your landlord puts your rent up, that's an increase in GDP. If the cost of electricity per person falls, that's something people benefit from.

tldr I don't think this kWh statistic is much more useful than GDP

They're calling it a proxy for industrial capacity and it relates a lot more to that than GDP relates to health of the nation.

Coal ? Coal ? Get out of the 70's ! It would be more about rare earth minerals, water and oil.
I think you are confused. GDP measures income flow, not accumulated wealth. Two different things.
I appreciate that per capita GDP is a much better measurement and there is no reason why if we were economically well managed we could be doing much better.

I think you may have misread my post or thought I was arguing something I wasn't. Rare Earths, water, coal, whatever. My point is that what matters isn't the absolute terms but the relative. America has more mineral wealth. And also more population.

Without digging you out ( too much ! ) Luxembourg is a particulalry poor example for your argument - it does indeed not have the natural resources, but a lot of the high earners don't live in the country

That actually enhances my argument. It maintains that high income with an even smaller resident population, then.

Personally, I'd want my high earners to be English and live in England ( and spending their earnings in England ).

Again, I think you thought I was arguing for something that I wasn't. I'm not quite sure what but I think there's a disconnect here. Maybe I'm just not understanding how what you say contradicts what I said.

Seems more like there’s a threshold where the price of electricity is no longer a major factor in gdp and many countries are at that level. What happens if you look at the top 5 gdp countries and compare it to their electricity supply?

It's because the more disconnected GDP becomes from actual industry and productivity, i.e. weird financial instruments, soaring rents, etc. the less meaningful it is. Whilst the cost of energy is always meaningful. I think the top 5 GDP countries are especially prone to weird sources of GDP. Whereas if you're an economy more focused around actual manufacturing, agriculture, and things like that, there's less drift of GDP away from being an actual health indicator.

You can explain this until the cows come home, people dont get it. GDP measures specific bits of economic activity, and it’s used to justify all sorts. Maybe we should be like Bhutan and measure gross national happiness

I'm not sure the British are the prime candidates for measuring gross national happiness, tbh.

Expand on this? It feels hopeful somehow.

I'm not @Tony Martin's Force Ghost but I wouldn't say it's hopeful. More like they're ensuring that Britain continues in its commitment to keep throwing money, munitions and eventually blood into Ukraine and nobody dares try to reign it in. Burnham will double down on this.

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My debt is paid, niggers.

You'll be happy to know I just sponsored your post, so that everyone can see your admiration for the little fellow.

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

Ukraine and nobody dares try to reign it in. Burnham will double down on this.

Why are you such a Russian zigger? Are you even British or are you another eastern european larper? I couldn't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine but you Ukraine/Russian sperge a lot. Russia has always been a natural enemy of the UK and the west, before "NAFO". Please go to Russia and vlog your experience, thank jew. nigger.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Why are you such a Russian zigger? Are you even British or are you another eastern european larper? I couldn't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine but you Ukraine/Russian sperge a lot. Russia has always been a natural enemy of the UK and the west, before "NAFO". Please go to Russia and vlog your experience, thank jew. nigger.

Welcome back @-Jack-, I wasn't going to say anything because you were behaving well and seemed to mellowed out a bit, but I see you've not changed at all
@Crunkle is a bit busy atm, but don't worry, I'm still here to spot your rainbow fingered posts , don't forget; you're here forever.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Ukraine and Romania, currently, is far from matching the high trust of 1950s-1960s UK or US, but Western Europe has sunk lower than us today, due to rapefugees, anarcho-tyranny and two-tier justice.
I do hope you get to fix your country, Britons. It's such a pity because we used to look at countries like UK as an example of a low corruption, civilized country till recently.

Regards: a Romanian.

Yeah, you don't have to deal with those problems caused by low-trust individuals because you used the EU to send all your gypsies over to us. Prick.

 

[Hannibalistique]

Maths. The abbreviation of a plural should also be a plural. Unless you're telling me you get up in the morning and put on your pant.

Mathematics isn't a plural noun, -s comes from the Greek-derived -ics ending (see also physics, economics, politics), do you say "mathematics are hard" or "mathematics is hard"?

 

[Overly Serious]

Why are you such a Russian zigger? Are you even British or are you another eastern european larper? I couldn't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine but you Ukraine/Russian sperge a lot. Russia has always been a natural enemy of the UK and the west, before "NAFO". Please go to Russia and vlog your experience, thank jew. nigger.

Fucking joins six days ago and starts complaining about how much I post. I've got 47 posts in this thread in the last month and Ukraine or Russia is mentioned in just one of them. This one. Where someone asked about why the military has been exerting political pressure on the PM. Search function is great.

Maybe you mean my posts about Russia in the Russia thread. Or in the Iran thread. Which is next door to Russia. I think that's kind of allowed.

And maybe I just don't like that our globalist stooge politicians have thrown over £20bn to one group of Russians to fight a different group of Russians or that it's just created a whole extra source of refugees to this country that we've taken in. Russia has always been our enemy? Well yes, when we've built an Empire half-way around the globe and consider the Crimea rightful British clay, we're going to eventually bump into someone who puts up a fight. You show me how the war is in OUR interests, I'll listen. But by OUR I mean the average British citizen, not politicians and investors in Lockheed Martin and Boris Johnson.

Mathematics isn't a plural noun, -s comes from the Greek-derived -ics ending (see also physics, economics, politics), do you say "mathematics are hard" or "mathematics is hard"?

That is a fair point.

But it's the British thread and if a Burger is going to come in here and get all antsy about someone using words he doesn't like, please don't interfere with me mocking him.

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

Fucking joins six days ago and starts complaining about how much I post. I've got 47 posts in this thread in the last month and Ukraine or Russia is mentioned in just one of them. This one. Where someone asked about why the military has been exerting political pressure on the PM. Search function is great.

Maybe you mean my posts about Russia in the Russia thread. Or in the Iran thread. Which is next door to Russia. I think that's kind of allowed.

And maybe I just don't like that our globalist stooge politicians have thrown over £20bn to one group of Russians to fight a different group of Russians or that it's just created a whole extra source of refugees to this country that we've taken in. Russia has always been our enemy? Well yes, when we've built an Empire half-way around the globe and consider the Crimea rightful British clay, we're going to eventually bump into someone who puts up a fight. You show me how the war is in OUR interests, I'll listen. But by OUR I mean the average British citizen, not politicians and investors in Lockheed Martin and Boris Johnson.


That is a fair point.

But it's the British thread and if a Burger is going to come in here and get all antsy about someone using words he doesn't like, please don't interfere with me mocking him.

I appreciate your explanation and reasons, we are never going to agree on this issue, but still. Cheers!

 

[Mound Dweller]

Fucking joins six days ago and starts complaining about how much I post.

Oh he's been here longer than that, this is @-Jack-'s 20th or so sock, and he still hates you for your Putin-simping ( as do I but at least I'm not so GAY about it) from his past lives.
Just watch; now he's outed (again) he'll stop pretending to be nice and start flailing about random shit you forgot about but that he still stews over months later, or maybe he'll reign it in a little and simmer down before the inevitable "I'm sad and lonely please fuck me in the ass" DMs resume, god only knows when it comes to faggots.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Mathematics isn't a plural noun, -s comes from the Greek-derived -ics ending (see also physics, economics, politics), do you say "mathematics are hard" or "mathematics is hard"?

Personally I say, "why's my bank balance so empty?" shortly followed by, "ah yes, I'm paying to subsidise the third world in their countries, my country and somehow other countries as well with NGOs and "charities" getting my hard-earned cash."

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Oh he's been here longer than that, this is @-Jack-'s 20th or so sock, and he still hates you for your Putin-simping ( as do I but at least I'm not so GAY about it) from his past lives.
Just watch; now he's outed (again) he'll stop pretending to be nice and start flailing about random shit you forgot about but that he still stews over months later, or maybe he'll reign it in a little and simmer down before the inevitable "I'm sad and lonely please fuck me in the ass" DMs resume, god only knows when it comes to faggots.

Oh this faggot!

 

[Overly Serious]

Personally I say, "why's my bank balance so empty?" shortly followed by, "ah yes, I'm paying to subsidise the third world in their countries, my country and somehow other countries as well with NGOs and "charities" getting my hard-earned cash."

I'm hearing worrying things about inheritance and other taxes on the rise under Burnham on that note.

( as do I but at least I'm not so GAY about it)

I'm more anti-Zelensky and anti-EU than pro-Russia, fwiw. But you and I both know to argue in the appropriate thread if we do.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I'm hearing worrying things about inheritance and other taxes on the rise under Burnham on that note.

I know the sort of spiteful mutant he appeals to. Destroying intergenerational wealth makes most of them ecstatic since they know being the leeches they are they've already taken what their own families can spare and they'll never have anything to leave to others.

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

Oh he's been here longer than that, this is @-Jack-'s 20th or so sock, and he still hates you for your Putin-simping ( as do I but at least I'm not so GAY about it) from his past lives.
Just watch; now he's outed (again) he'll stop pretending to be nice and start flailing about random shit you forgot about but that he still stews over months later, or maybe he'll reign it in a little and simmer down before the inevitable "I'm sad and lonely please fuck me in the ass" DMs resume, god only knows when it comes to faggots.

Can you please take the rest of your Fluoxetine. I understand this the Autistic Thunderdome, but you are genuinely mentally retarded. From a brief look at your posts, the food you make, the way you interact with people online. You are obsessed with some random faggot online who makes sock accounts. Please take your medication.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Can you please take the rest of your Fluoxetine. I understand this the Autistic Thunderdome, but you are genuinely mentally retarded. From a brief look at your posts, the food you make, the way you interact with people online. You are obsessed with some random faggot online who makes sock accounts. Please take your medication.

Did you fix the sanpaku eye'd stare yet or is it still bothering you?

 

[draggs]

There's little to be learned by comparing 7.22 of X with 7.49 of Y when they're different things.

You dislike the one being used as a general metric for the economic well-being of the nation, and like the other one being used as a general metric for the economic well-being of the nation

Because that is what it will be used as. For the purpose, they are indeed the same thing. What is the purpose? To present a political narrative to the public. How is the public going to be better informed by switching? The public already knows the UK economy sucks. 80% of the population says it sucks

They're calling it a proxy for industrial capacity and it relates a lot more to that than GDP relates to health of the nation.

Then a more proper accounting would not lump residential and commercial electricity consumption in. Maybe Restore simply doesn't know that if you use industrial kWh per capita and industrial kWh cost alone, Britain's number is even worse than the residential-commercial-industrial number. Maybe Restore really does mean to only use the industrial numbers. Here's the paper:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/restorebritain/pages/1090/attachments/original/1779270985/Restore_Britain_Energy_Security_Outlook.pdf?1779270985

Now the very first mention of the kWh formula, I already see an error. China's kWh per capita / kWh cost number is approximately 768.42. That is behind the United States. The opposite of what the paper says

Be that as it may. The paper only mentions this formula twice. Neither mention restricts it to industrial kWh per capita, or industrial kWh cost. Residential, commercial, and industrial are lumped together. The formula using only industrial numbers results in... 41.93. As said before, the number using a total national kWh per capita and kWh cost is 119.whatever it was

Just like a plain GDP number allegedly misleads on the health of the national economy, this lumping misleads on the health of the UK's industry, to paint a rosier picture than reality

btw, the US number using industrial electricity use and cost alone is 361.3. Which demonstrates that US industry is not as robust as the economy overall, which everyone knows

I can't speak to how meaningful the proposed metric is but I can speak to how crappy and misused the GDP is.

You don't know? So what's the point then?

Restore would be better for Britain than the Conservatives or Labour, and probably be better than Reform, but damn, the devil is in the details. The lack of attention to detail in this particular Restore proposal doesn't fill me with confidence

 

[AssignedEva]

Welcome back @-Jack-, I wasn't going to say anything because you were behaving well and seemed to mellowed out a bit, but I see you've not changed at all
@Crunkle is a bit busy atm, but don't worry, I'm still here to spot your rainbow fingered posts , don't forget; you're here forever.

Wait is this that crazy one who's obsessed with Britney Spears?

 

[KeeKeeCooch]

Did you fix the sanpaku eye'd stare yet or is it still bothering you?
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This isn't British news. You're an parasitic retard that's obsessed with a retarded Britfag for some odd reason. I am not Jack, I am not gay, I AM -retarded!.