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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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The way the establishment is painting Restore and any supporters of the party as Neo-nazis tells me that perhaps if Restore gain even more traction and support especially the upcoming general election, I can 100% see the government banning or restricting them to run, similar to how Germany has plans to do the same to the AfD. Though I have no idea if the government has any ground to do it, but if they're desperate enough I can see it. Anything to keep the establishment and status quo alive and well!
If they were going to start banning parties they would of done so with the BNP years ago
 
If they were going to start banning parties they would of done so with the BNP years ago
The BNP never posed a credible threat to the current system. Restore kind of do.

It's interesting about the kid thrown into a crocodile pit at that zoo. Again police are "urging people not to speculate on social media". I wonder who did it and what colour their hands are?
 
These are the based women that people on this site have been going on about? Jesus fucking christ, we're doomed.
Mumsnet is home to many opinions. However it is not a free speech forum, in any way.
Mumsnet is one with a lot of accounts that glow. It's a good place to see early propaganda plans before the usual media suspects maintstream them.
Also this - there are multiple accounts there that opinion-lead, take the temperature and try to create consensus. The tranny stuff was exceptional because it resulted in a genuine upwelling of real, organic anger and it couldnt be shut down. There’s a massive amount of social inertia over ‘not being a bigot.’ Being racist is about the worst thing you could accuse these women of - they’re fully indoctrinated in that regard.
I’d hoped for better with this being child related, but people continue to disappoint me.
 
Mumsnet is home to many opinions. However it is not a free speech forum, in any way.
They've also been in Labour's cross hairs for a while. Wonder if they'll be one of those that are expected to get real world IDs for their posters?

I'm going to work myself up to a Makerfield rant, or more accurately a leadership contest rant given Burnham will win. In the interim more news.

Firstly let's look at Labour trying to get more males into the teaching space. Sounds almost laudable until you look at who co-chairs the Labour group pushing it and motivations for doing so.


Government ministers have been urged to set targets to boost the number of male teachers in England, as backbench MPs seek to capitalise on turbulence in the Labour party to influence government policy.
With the government in disarray after the shock resignation of the defence secretary this week, MPs are seizing the moment to embark on a battle of ideas, including tackling toxic masculinity, which they argue has played a role in violent anti-immigrant disturbances.

The Labour Men and Boys group are also putting pressure on Keir Starmer, or his replacement, to increase paternity leave. More than 50 MPs, including the former deputy leader Angela Rayner and the former health secretary Wes Streeting, have worn England and Scotland football shirts calling for more than two weeks of paternity leave, which is among the worst in the OECD group of rich countries.

The MP for Hitchin, Ali Strathern, said that while the Westminster summer had been dominated “by personality stories and drama”, voters wanted a clear message that the government was on their side.
“For the rest of the country, this summer is about football, family and the cost of living,” said Strathern, the Labour group’s co-chair. “That’s why over 50 government MPs have donned these shirts calling for extra time for dads – because the UK’s paternity leave offer is the worst in Europe and two weeks isn’t enough.”
He said the government’s pledge to recruit 6,500 additional teachers by the end of the parliament was welcome and should be accompanied by national marketing campaigns similar to those that have encouraged girls and women to seek jobs in Stem.


After unrest in Belfast and Southampton, it was vital that the government also recognised that boosting the number of male teachers was a key tool in combating the manosphere, said Peter Swallow, a former teacher and the MP for Bracknell. Only 24% of teachers in England are men, according to DfE data. In primary schools the figure is 14%; the figure is 35% in secondary education and 3% in early years.
“There is a crisis of masculinity in this country and boys who are feeling vulnerable, not listened to and isolated are too often turning to the easy answers offered to them from the manosphere, who want to sell them on a very narrow idea of what it is to be a successful man,” he said. “Getting more male teachers and more positive role models in their lives has to be part of the solution.”
With all eyes on the Makerfield byelection on Thursday, MPs see this week as a critical moment for their ideas ahead of a potential Labour leadership campaign, in which the Greater Manchester mayor, Andy Burnham, could challenge Starmer.
“It feels like all ideas are on the table again,” said one MP. “When you think about the legacy of this Labour government, whether this government likes it or not in 20 years people are not going to be speaking about breakfast clubs – but they will remember if we significantly boosted paternity leave and gave families time together in those critical early days.”
On Monday, dozens of MPs will wear custom shirts featuring the phrase “Extra time for dads” on the front, with “2 weeks isn’t enough” on the back. The stunt, organised in conjunction with Movember and the Dad Shift, will also target football stadiums with a World Cup-themed paternity leave poster campaign.
Research from the pro-dad groups found that 92% of the public agree it is important or very important for fathers to have time with their babies in the first weeks and months, while 60% back increasing paternity leave length and pay.
A Department for Education spokesperson said it was 70% of the way to recruiting 6,500 new teachers and was offering tax-free bursaries and scholarships worth up to £31,000. “We know there are too few men working in our schools. While a lack of male teachers is a historic and worldwide problem, we are looking at a range of options to improve diversity in the workforce, including attracting more men to the profession,” they said.

Putting a desperate spin on a threat from Palestine Action to get the ban overturned through violent action.

The co-founder of Palestine Action has said the battle to overturn the terrorism ban on the direct action group will be won – in the courts or “on the streets”.
On Monday, five court of appeal judges ruled that a ban on the organisation was lawful, reversing the high court’s February judgment, which they said had wrongly limited the home secretary’s discretion on national security.

Huda Ammori, who as a founder of Palestine Action – the first direct action protest group to be banned under the Terrorism Act – brought the legal challenge, said she was disappointed but remained confident of victory.
“I‘m certain that legally we are correct that this ban is disproportionate to free speech and the right to protest. I think that’s really clear,” she said. “We just need to get to the right court that’s going to recognise that and we’ll take it all the way up to the European court of human rights, if needs be.”

At the same time as the legal challenge has gone through the courts there has been a civil disobedience campaign with more than 3,000 people arrested, mainly for holding placards supporting Palestine Action. Another 117 were arrested outside the court of appeal on Monday as well as two outside the Old Bailey, where a criminal trial involving activists from the group is taking place.
Ammori said such defiance remained key. “This case is completely political, and the way we are going to win this is on the streets,” she said. “Everyone who sacrificed and stood up against this, all of that is bringing us closer and closer to the day when we are victorious.
As an illustration of what she termed the politicisation of the case, Ammori highlighted the court of appeal judges’ assertion that “Palestine Action has little or nothing in common with the suffragettes”.
The suffragettes carried out a nationwide bombing campaign while Emily Davison, who is commemorated by two statues, attacked a clergyman with a horse whip after mistaking him for the then chancellor, David Lloyd George. Ammori said of the judges’ comparison: “It just is completely inaccurate and quite crazy that they even felt like they needed to make that comparison.”
Monday’s judgment was the second blow for Palestine Action after Friday’s sentencing of four activists involved in a 2024 raid on an Israeli manufacturer’s arms factory near Bristol.
They were convicted by a jury of criminal damage for smashing up drones and other equipment at the Elbit Systems UK site – having been restricted by the judge in what they could say about their motivations for their acts – and in one case of grievous bodily harm without intent. At the sentencing the judge ruled there was a “terrorist connection” – which had never been put before the jury – to the criminal damage charge.
“It feels like that this whole thing has been orchestrated to ensure convictions and show people can be sentenced as terrorists to then justify the ban on Palestine Action,” said Ammori.
Despite the setbacks, she urged supporters to stay strong. “Remember, who we are acting in solidarity with, which is the Palestinian people, who, despite all of the setbacks and challenges they face, including being labelled as terrorists, are continuing to resist for their freedom,” she said. “And [remember] that we are acting in solidarity with them and we can take strength from the Palestinian people and that whenever there is repression, there is more resistance.
“The way that we respond to this is by fighting even harder, that every struggle has its setbacks. But we are going to win in the end. We can’t give in. We can’t be deterred.”
The home secretary, Shabana Mahmood, said: “The court has found that Palestine Action has carried out acts of terrorism, celebrated those who have taken part in those acts and promoted the use of violence. It is not an ordinary protest or civil disobedience group, and its actions are not consistent with democratic values and the rule of law.
“This decision does not affect lawful protest in support of the Palestinian cause, which remains a fundamental democratic right. There is a difference between supporting Palestine and supporting a proscribed terrorist group.
“We will always take the strongest possible action to protect our national security and keep the public safe.”

Polanski changing his story again, now the council tax was not paid due to financial hardship.

Zack Polanski has suggested he did not pay council tax while living on a narrowboat because of living arrangements resulting from “financial hardship”.
In a witness statement to the Greater London Authority (GLA), the Green Party leader also admitted that he should have taken “greater care” over his tax arrangements while living on the vessel in an east London marina.
But he denied any suggestions that he had intended to “avoid legal obligations”, and suggested “unconventional living arrangements” brought on by financial hardship meant he did not know whether any council tax was owed.
It emerged last month that when Mr Polanski and his partner lived on the houseboat, moored in a marina in east London, they paid no council tax for at least three years.
When the London Assembly member was challenged about his tax arrangements, he insisted the houseboat was not his home so he did not need to pay the tax.
He said he and his partner were lodgers at another undisclosed address where they paid council tax as part of their rent.
But he came under increasing pressure after neighbours suggested he lived on the houseboat, and electoral records showed he registered his residential address as the marina.

‘There was no intention to evade tax’​

In his witness statement to the GLA, which had been urged to investigate the matter, Mr Polanski said he was still awaiting confirmation from the London Borough of Waltham Forest and Hackney council about whether he needed to pay council tax.
“I wish to make absolutely clear that there was never any intention on my part to evade council tax, avoid legal obligations, or obtain any improper financial advantage,” he wrote.
“Any failure to appreciate the position arose solely from a misunderstanding of what was required in relation to an unusual and unconventional living arrangement.”
He added: “I have personal experience of financial hardship and housing insecurity. Having lived through periods of economic difficulty on a limited income, I understand first-hand the challenges faced by many Londoners.
“My previous living arrangements reflected those circumstances rather than any attempt to avoid financial obligations.”

Mr Polanski said that he accepted that “greater care could have been taken in understanding the practical implications of my unconventional housing arrangements”, but added: “I strongly refute suggestions that my honesty or integrity should be called into question.”
The party leader said he had lived as a “property guardian” for five years until 2022, whereby individuals occupy “otherwise vacant buildings under licence agreements in return for relatively modest fees”.
He said that he had done so as it was “one of the few affordable housing options available to me in London during a period marked by economic uncertainty, austerity measures and significant cost-of-living pressures”.

Investigation closed by GLA​

The GLA’s monitoring officer has decided not to take any further action following calls from Labour and the Conservatives for Mr Polanski to be investigated.
The officer’s report, published on Thursday, said this was because the matter related to the “private circumstances” of Mr Polanski rather than his official role at the GLA.
They added that the decision was made because the matter fell outside the scope of the Code of Conduct for Assembly members, “and does not make any finding on the merits of the underlying concerns”.

The Green Party leader said that until the councils clarified their position, he was “not in a position to know whether council tax is payable, the period for which it may be payable, or the amount that may potentially be due”.
He said that he believed the payments he made to the Lee Valley Regional Park Authority for the mooring would have covered “any applicable charges” such as council tax if payable.
He told the GLA that he “immediately took steps to investigate and resolve” concerns over council tax liability when they were raised.

‘A disservice to politics’​

Mr Polanski said he would pay “any sums properly due” if it was found that he should have paid council tax, and, if not, he intended to make a charitable donation to a homeless charity.
Neil Garrett, a Conservative London Assembly member and chairman of the City Hall budget and performance committee, said Mr Polanski’s handling of his living arrangements “does a disservice to politics”.
“Throughout this entire sad saga, Mr Polanski has avoided consequences the same way he avoided council tax: through happy accidents and gaps in legislation.
“It is beyond parody that a Left-wing politician who will take to the stage to demand other people pay their share of taxes, has then gone home and not paid his own or endeavoured to find out what tax he owes.
“But when a politician can have such a cavalier attitude with his CV, or even something as simple as where he lives, it does a disservice to politics. I hope he will reflect on the road that has led him to this point.”
 
I’d hoped for better with this being child related, but people continue to disappoint me.
You just had to look at the absolute disgust many of the poster's had for that girl in Dundee last year. There wasn't even a moment's consideration that she might have had a good reason to be holding potential weapons, she was just scummy underclass and anyone suggesting she might have been actually threatened or harassed by the poor widdle innocent Bulgarian man was just a fool duped by the evil Tommy Robinson (who they're fucking obsessed with as the ultimate evil).

I do find it hard to get my head around how many posters there have managed to see through the trans/queer bullshit, then stop and go no further. Especially when there is a much, much worse problem right there.
 
I absolutely despise the police. But assaulting anyone like that is disgraceful. Absolutely no need for it. Especially in a way which could have paralyzed them.
The police, whatever people think of them, are the ones sent to deal with the violent and they face risk - someone using a sledgehammer on a policeman or woman’s spine (or ANYONE’s spine ffs) should be facing many, many years in jail, it’s a terrible thing to do.
The police used to look after their own, as in, if you had beaten the shit out of a policewoman you’d have had the living shit kicked out of you and be listed as resisting arrest or fallen or something. And frankly, I don’t blame them for that. But has that stopped? If you assaulted a copper severely they used to really make you pay for it, yet these ones got really light sentences.
she was just scummy underclass
we have a massive issue with class. MN skews very middle class, and I think there’s this feeling still that things like this don’t happen to nice families . That’s going to change and it’ll change fast because of the sheer numbers of immigrants - now they’re impossible to avoid, even in naice areas.
The response to that girl in Dundee was awful. Whole load of people seeing not a frightened child but a chav, who cares? We’ve not changed much since Johnathan swift have we?
 
You just had to look at the absolute disgust many of the poster's had for that girl in Dundee last year. There wasn't even a moment's consideration that she might have had a good reason to be holding potential weapons, she was just scummy underclass and anyone suggesting she might have been actually threatened or harassed by the poor widdle innocent Bulgarian man was just a fool duped by the evil Tommy Robinson (who they're fucking obsessed with as the ultimate evil).

I do find it hard to get my head around how many posters there have managed to see through the trans/queer bullshit, then stop and go no further. Especially when there is a much, much worse problem right there.
Most of them only care about these sorts of issues if they actually start affecting them specifically. They don't care about migrants because most of them are middle-class, and only see the browns when they order overpriced ethnic slop on Ubereats. They were perfectly fine with troons up until the gorillas in dresses started asking to come into their bathrooms, and even then they're still okay with the troons that chopped their tits off instead of their dick because those ones don't cause them issues.
 
Mumsnet is home to many opinions. However it is not a free speech forum, in any way.

Also this - there are multiple accounts there that opinion-lead, take the temperature and try to create consensus. The tranny stuff was exceptional because it resulted in a genuine upwelling of real, organic anger and it couldnt be shut down. There’s a massive amount of social inertia over ‘not being a bigot.’ Being racist is about the worst thing you could accuse these women of - they’re fully indoctrinated in that regard.
I’d hoped for better with this being child related, but people continue to disappoint me.
I don't know... I had a bit of a read through their main thread on it and it seemed to me like the On Message types were losing ground.

There was a lot of "it's not racist to point this out" and "I don't care if he's Right Wing" style comments.

It was not part of their blood,
They were mostly Left Wing,
With long arrears to make good,
When Mumsnet began Noticing.
 
The police, whatever people think of them, are the ones sent to deal with the violent and they face risk - someone using a sledgehammer on a policeman or woman’s spine (or ANYONE’s spine ffs) should be facing many, many years in jail, it’s a terrible thing to do.
Or to look at it from a different perspective: if these people truly believe they're fighting an existential fight against a fascist state, then they should not only be prepared to go to jail for their acts, they should welcome it. To be jailed by that state is to become a martyr for their cause; a rallying point for their supporters in the fight against fascism. The very fact that they believe there's a legal way to escape their acts betrays their lack of conviction.
 
I don't know... I had a bit of a read through their main thread on it and it seemed to me like the On Message types were losing ground.

There was a lot of "it's not racist to point this out" and "I don't care if he's Right Wing" style comments.

It was not part of their blood,
They were mostly Left Wing,
With long arrears to make good,
When Mumsnet began Noticing.
I hope they do, because if they do then it’s a bellweather for massive change coming.
Perhaps I’m just too cynical post Covid, people around me are utterly blinkered on all this and visibly wince at even the most mild attempt to bring it up
 
post Covid, people around me are utterly blinkered on all this and visibly wince at even the most mild attempt to bring it up
Speaking of, did anyone else's entire neighborhoods go outside their front door at 7pm(?) and clap for the NHS? it was so surreal because you'd have people doing that, then go to the supermarket to find two gorilla women and one Paki fighting over paracetamol and toilet roll.
 
The police used to look after their own, as in, if you had beaten the shit out of a policewoman you’d have had the living shit kicked out of you and be listed as resisting arrest or fallen or something. And frankly, I don’t blame them for that. But has that stopped? If you assaulted a copper severely they used to really make you pay for it, yet these ones got really light sentences.
They're not the sort of protestors the police can go hard against. They're acceptable like BLM so the police have to accept the odd shattered spine on their side.

Now were they objecting to rape gangs the police having six of them holding someone down while a seventh drives their knee into the person's head is acceptable for them to do. So naturally the thugs let their violent sides out there.
I hope they do, because if they do then it’s a bellweather for massive change coming.
Perhaps I’m just too cynical post Covid, people around me are utterly blinkered on all this and visibly wince at even the most mild attempt to bring it up
I don't know... I had a bit of a read through their main thread on it and it seemed to me like the On Message types were losing ground.
I made the error of going to look at the thread around the Dundee girls. Second post in the thread.
Why on earth was the girl carrying a knife and an axe? That is surely illegal?
Gee, maybe it was because the area has violent immigrants that sexually harass and physically assault teenage girls and when the police are called they side with the adults slapping around children?

This utter cunt took the cake for me though (10th post)
Is being attacked a common, everyday occurrence in Dundee? So everyone should carry knives then, and we can witness a lot more incidents like the murder of Henry Nowak.
Oh yeah, these girls are just roaming the streets looking for someone to murder. Piece of shit. That sentient turd backtracked on page 2 calling the girl "brave" but it's clear they hit that thread with an agenda and only shifted when it became clear that they'd irked too many people in one go.


The thread did helpfully show me this winner though, Katheleen Stock who squeezed out an Unherd article piece mocking the girls at the time then whined out this non-apology

Have come back from weekend away, to find a load of people telling I'm despicable for an Unherd piece I wrote a while back on "Sophie of Dundee". Will link it below so you can read it/ more people can misunderstand it and tell me I'm a sneering disgrace, etc.Lat week the young girl's Bulgarian attackers were found guilty of assaulting her and pulling her hair, and I'm glad they were convicted. I hope they get sentenced accordingly.I'm now supposed to apologise for showing contempt for working class girls in my article - but I didn't. I know I didn't because I don't feel anything like that, never have, and never will. What I did do was (stupidly, I agree) believe Police Scotland when they said there was a lack of evidence to show any crime. What I also did in my article was to take the piss out of onlookers putting out Braveheart memes about the girl - that is a fair cop.That is: I mocked and criticised people - mostly uninformed Americans, I thought - who watched a 3 second viral video of a young girl with large knives, and tried to turn her into Mary Queen of Scots, or William Wallace.My general writing style is mocking and acerbic, and this piece was no different - but I was not mocking the girls (sorry but it is true) - I was mocking the perception of them in the US imagination at the time. (Yes, even the line about machetes and Irn Bru.)If you think it is a good idea to give a small girl carrying large knives loads of money and make a folk hero out of her, based on a three second video about which you know nothing else, I can tell you definitively (because I have asked some of them since) that plenty of Dundonians would disagree with you. And I still think the way the video was used was not in the girls' best interests. I obviously have regrets about how I wrote the article, in that it seems plenty of readers did not get what I was trying to do or say - but that is the peril of writing in public, and I take it on the chin. I realise this is not the apology some want, but its all I got. I hate fake apologies - and anyway, if I had to apologise to anyone, it would be to the girls, in private, for writing about the situation prematurely, not strangers on here who don't know me or my intentions, having the time of their lives ganging up.Muting this and every other thread now, as let's face it, there is not a lot more I can learn about what a disgrace I am - and if that applies to you, tbh I am not that fond of you either. Very happy if you unfollow me and continue to be deeply disappointed from a distance.
 
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I don't know... I had a bit of a read through their main thread on it and it seemed to me like the On Message types were losing ground.

There was a lot of "it's not racist to point this out" and "I don't care if he's Right Wing" style comments.

It was not part of their blood,
They were mostly Left Wing,
With long arrears to make good,
When Mumsnet began Noticing.
I read the thread. It's astonishing how some women still dismiss the report but at least they get shat on by more sane users. I wonder if there are glowies in that thread?
 
I simply don't feel bad for the copper at all. I will celebrate every wheelie bin concussion, every shattered vertrbra and every burning cruiser of any faggot pig fuck no matter the circumstances.

They are all evil, and they want your children raped and you dead, they think you deserve it and they think it's funny.
 
The thread did helpfully show me this winner though, Katheleen Stock who squeezed out an Unherd article piece mocking the girls at the time then whined out this non-apology.

Lat week the young girl's Bulgarian attackers were found guilty of assaulting her and pulling her hair,

I like how she made sure to describe in a way that makes it out to be a bit of inconsequential hair pulling. She is really is quite the disappointment.
 
Labour sources are briefing that they think they have won and Reform MP Pochin has said that the party would be happy with 'a strong second'. Not much interpretation required.
Wasn't a Labour win pretty much a given though? The chances of Reform getting a win were low, and even lower after they shit themselves over a few spicy tweets from their candidate.
 
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