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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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F40PH dijo:
We will make further statements in July about VPNs and further restrictions"
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
 
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
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The 'brute force retard' method is probably demanding UK operating ISPs blacklist known VPNs, then carve out business exceptions, so businesses can buy licences. But that really is grug tier methodology. So I imagine they'll do that.
 
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
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'How will it work?'

You think it's going to work?
 
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
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I think a lot of social media companies are just going to geoblock the UK and that's that, there's no way that it's feasible to create an entirely new regulatory system for ID when you can simply just tell that market to fuck off. Like imagine you're Facebook and you've spent a year implementing this ID check system that gets bypassed and now your company is being mentioned in child abuse stories. Absolutely not worth the bother to even try.

Once it sinks in that that's the case, the UK might be forced to roll it back a little. Or they could just continue the authoritarian blackout in the hope that the UK just goes back to 1995 where the only way of accessing information is via the tellybox or the newspapers.
 
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
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Most mobile service providers already have something in place and have for years - it's been a long time since I had a new phone number, but you used to have to ring up a provider to opt out of adult filters. So they could tighten that up.

App stores is feasible. SIM cards, iPhones and some Android phones have region locks which influence what apps you can download. Try and download the main Walmart App or DoorDash right now, you can't... you can access it if you google it and then that links you to the App Store, but that could be tightened up.

Big corps handle their phones through device management. You might be able to restrict installation based on some business licensing (my work phone and laptop don't have the latest version of Microsoft Apps, for example) and funnel big companies into specific VPNs. It would inevitably fuck over every smaller business that uses VPNs to access their servers, but there's a framework they could develop there.

Computer wise, it's a lot harder to control as they aren't such locked down environments. You can also get a WiFi router that connects to a VPN automatically, which then means any device connected to WiFi is on a VPN.

Honestly my main concern would be flat out criminalising the use of VPNs unless you've got a proven business reason to do it. That means they can punish you if you find a loophole, so they don't need to fuss so much about loopholes. I doubt they'd go mask off this quick, but it is feasible.
 
Al Carns gave a statement to the house about his resignation.


Among other things, he resigned because of the continued pursuit of prosecutions against army vets. He's not willing to publicly name Starmer or his cronies as the cause, but there's a definite starmer-shaped hole in his words.
 
teriyakiburns dijo:
Al Carns gave a statement to the house about his resignation.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HBWQnrHYwKI
Among other things, he resigned because of the continued pursuit of prosecutions against army vets. He's not willing to publicly name Starmer or his cronies as the cause, but there's a definite starmer-shaped hole in his words.
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He's the sleeper-hit much of the media are backing, so he's saying some big things in the hope that Andy wins the by-election and triggers a leadership challenge, then he'll be able to garner enough support as an alternative option. He started supporting Rishi's plan for National Service yesterday.
 
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The 'brute force retard' method is probably demanding UK operating ISPs blacklist known VPNs, then carve out business exceptions, so businesses can buy licences. But that really is grug tier methodology. So I imagine they'll do that.
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VPN companies will rotate IP addresses anyway. They can have banks/credit cards stop electronic payments to certain providers.

I know that certain banks will stop purchases based on various criteria. When I first started buying BTC / Monero, some exchanges that took debit/credit cards that were legit were blacklisted by some banks as fraudulent.

Expect Monero to be cracked down on next when they find the next link in the chain. However, you can use BISQ or similar.
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And how do I get around that? I assume tor?
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Tor is the most obvious. You download the browser bundle for your computer. Tbh, you can visit sites using the clearnet address or use a Tor endpoint which will be suggested by the browser; e.g., this site does it.

As previously stated, VPN companies rotate IP addresses.

You can also set up your own VPN. You need to set up a VPS, secure it and then install & configure WireGuard / OpenVPN (not recommended, as it is outdated). A friend of mine does this in the UAE. However, this can be quite involved.

After that you are looking at more esoteric ways, but it is far outside the reach of Normieville. It isn't worth mentioning yet.
 
Shoutout to britbongs for galvanizing opposition to this in the US like nothing else could. Keir Starmer's fat fucking white nigger face gormlessly talking about social media restrictions is going to haunt Marsha Blackburn and the rest of her ilk as her dreams of KOSA go down in flames due this shit becoming libtard-coded.
 
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Thoughts on what is coming down the line here? I have a vpn, HOW are they going to stop people accessing VPN services? Technically how will it work? Mobile service providers? Apps being banned from stores? How would they do this, it’ll likely be something that leaves business free to use them I’m sure but cracks down on private use
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I suspect that they'll initially demand that all VPN providers ID UK-based customers and store all of their logs. Evading this may be as simple as getting a friend abroad to register an account and pay for your VPN on your behalf and giving you the login. When that fails, they will probably try to ban private VPN use outright and push a fucking huge "VPN's are for paedophiles" psyop, just like they tried to do with the Digital ID and age verification shit earlier this year.

If they get really desperate, they will do what the Russians and Chinks do, look into what deep packet inspection (DPI) evasion entails, and that'll give you a rough idea of the worst case scenario and what to do. You should gather information about this right now to ensure you have access to it if the time comes. Store installers for software and apps you'll need on a USB stick, because accessing them post-cut-off isn't going to be guaranteed.

DIYing your own VPN by renting out a VPS might be the way to go, so again, do some research and you should be okay. It's less of a debate about "can we evade a ban" and more of a debate about "how much time/energy are we willing to spend evading it?"

In short, to answer your questions: Yes, they'll ban fucking everything. It's the British state, homie. Whether or not they'll criminalise running/using an unlicensed VPN for personal use is questionable, but I wouldn't put it past these people. They fucking hate us, lol.
 
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It's advisable to use a VPN as well as Tor.
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Maybe, that depends on how you do it and what they end up doing to stop VPNs. VPN access points are (currently) fairly static, so while you can't easily see why, spotting if someone is using a VPN is fairly trivial - you just need some packet analysis software and a list of VPN servers. So if you fire up a VPN but don't have a VPN loicense, you're just drawing attention to yourself (even if you then run Tor at the other end).
Of course, someone may set up a VPN entirely within AWS infrastructure. Or the government may start sniffing out Tor nodes. There might be an opsec arms race, or (more likely) the government will totally half-arse it and then do a u-turn.
It'll be fun. Bring popcorn.

For now, I'd grab Tor browsers for your devices and line up a Mullvad VPN with cash, so at least you have options. Then just stay ahead of the curve...
 
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Two-Tier Policing: Why Britain Is Making China's Mistake​



Thought this was really interesting and well explained. The comparison between the two states and how the Uk is becoming similar to China.
Possibly one of the few examples of where diversity is useful - in the fact that this man has lived under one terrible regime and recognises the evil developing here when he sees it.
Also, the first comment rightly mentions Russia -
"This is also described in the gulag archipelego , where aleksandr describes how crime was generally ignored, but if you did anything deemed to be against the state regardless of how trivial then you was looking at years in the the gulag."
 
teriyakiburns dijo:
Al Carns gave a statement to the house about his resignation.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HBWQnrHYwKI
Among other things, he resigned because of the continued pursuit of prosecutions against army vets. He's not willing to publicly name Starmer or his cronies as the cause, but there's a definite starmer-shaped hole in his words.
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Hello, new, using TOR- I am retarded, using TOR makes it/me extra slow. cheers

Didn't Al Carns "miss" his parliament appointment when voting to prosecute SAS soldiers for war crimes? Lead by Lord Hermer?
 
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