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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I don't know if anyone else can feel it at the moment, but it really seems the past month has electrified the Anglosphere in a way the past 50 years couldn't. It's palpable.

People who last week were bleeding heart liberals, at least to save face, are now an inch away from pressing the "fix everything now" button.

Nowak will not be the last martyr, far from it, but things are so very obviously changing. They've overstayed their welcome and people no longer have the patience to be polite about it.
 
Farage makes an "Emergency address" to the nation about the murder of 18 year old Henry Nowak by a sikh man




Farage says how pervasive anti-white hatred is in the UK and said he wants the police to write a report on the incident and he is writing to the Attorney General to increase the sentence of Henry's killer

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Fucking hell it really is that norm macdonald tweet

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When Nowak's father made a statement after the court case, he said: "We need real solutions. We need investment in prevention. We need stronger action on the sale, the ownership and the carrying of all knives."
The :optimistic: take is that this is the father managing to communicate (despite the best efforts of the Family Liaison Officer) that controls on carrying knives need to apply to all knives, i.e. Kirpans, the Sikh ceremonial "dagger" which can actually be a very big knife or even sword
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The Criminal Justice Act 1988 has an exemption for Kirpans less than 50cm long, and the Offensive Weapons Act 2019 further liberalised this by saying it is a defence to claim you are carrying a massive sword around because you are a Sikh and were going to give it as a ceremonial gift (Shagan) to another Sikh. Which in practice means if a police officer stops a Sikh and finds a massive sword, and the suspect says "I was giving it to my uncle", the officer will let them go. It's not a defence to then draw the sword and stab someone with it, but it means they can carry knives with that potential in situations where it'd otherwise be an offence.

This is Ealing Council's guidance about students wearing Kirpans to school:
  • There should be no objection to the practice of wearing the five K’s, including the Kirpan.
  • Members of the school community – pupils, parents, staff and governors – should be aware of the significance of the five K’s
  • Members of staff should be informed of the school’s policy and guidelines on the wearing of religious symbols including the Kirpan, where appropriate. This information should be included in the school’s Human Resources Policy.
  • Parents or religious leaders should be asked to authorise the wearing of the Kirpan by confirming that a young person has been through the Amrit ceremony of initiation, and is always therefore expected to wear the five Ks
  • Under health and safety legislation schools will need to be able to satisfy themselves that the wearing of the Kirpan does not present any health and safety risks. The Kirpan should not be more than 6 inches in length (including both blade and handle) and the blade should not exceed 3 inches in length; the Kirpan should always be sheathed and worn out of sight.
  • School staff will expect to remove the Kirpan from any student not wearing all five K’s and to contact the student’s parents at the earliest opportunity to discuss the situation with them.
  • With regard to the wearing of the Kirpan during PE, then each school should make a decision based upon the particular circumstances present at the time. However, the LA’s advice to schools would be that the Kirpan should not be worn during physical education. Before the lesson begins,pupils will be expected to hand the Kirpan and Kara to a teacher or place them in a secure place e.g. a locker or other secure place.
  • If a school did decide to adopt a policy banning the Kirpan, it would need to be able to show it had consulted appropriately before creating the policy. The school should also be prepared to have the policy challenged in front of the EHRC (Equality and Human Rights Commission) by individuals (e.g. members of staff or parents of students who had gone through the amrit ceremony). For this reason,it is advisable to keep a record of all consultation activities, including conversations with individuals.
Basically "if they're not also wearing a turban and steel bangle, they're not being religiously observant enough to justify carrying a sword" and "they need to have made their Amrit ceremony (Sikh Confirmation) because otherwise they don't need a sword". There's also some stuff about keeping it sheathed under clothes, and it being a maximum length, but I'm guessing schools aren't checking what the Sikh pupils have sheathed under their clothes every day.

It's been observed that some Sikhs already just wear a necklace with a symbolic kirpan pendant on it, or carry something that's basically a butter knife from a doll's house, so there's no actual reason why the laws have exemptions for real daggers and swords.
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Sikh groups have already begun complaining about these conversations
The wider Sikh community has unacceptably faced considerable abuse and hate during the trial as many do not understand the law, the significance of the kirpan or the responsibility associated with wearing a kirpan. The actions of police officers who handcuffed the victim just before he died has not helped and given an opportunity for many to criticise the police, but it has also unnecessarily stirred up community hatred. Now the trial is over we want to make absolutely clear the law only provides fully practising Sikhs with a defence under the law to wear a kirpan for religious reasons. If a kirpan or a bladed item is used aggressively in an act of violence the defence under the law for a kirpan does not apply and it is deemed an offensive weapon. We understand in this case the weapon that may have been used was not the normal kirpan worn by fully practising Sikhs. This nuance is critically important and may not have been explained or understood by those asked to give evidence in this case. This was an isolated incident, the Sikh community is committed to promoting greater understanding and ensuring lessons are learned. Fully practising Sikhs who wear a kirpan should continue to recognise the serious responsibility that accompanies it, together with the limited legal protection that exists for wearing it for genuine religious purposes. We will be ensuring it is understood that anyone simply possessing a weapon with the intent to use it to cause unlawful violence carries a maximum sentence of up to seven years following the recent Crime and Policing Act 2026 coming into effect a few weeks ago.
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Sikh Federation UK have also just written to the Home Secretary demanding that anti-Sikh hate crimes are recorded like anti-Muslim/anti-semetic hate crimes (basically sometimes they get classed as race hate, and there's no organisation like CST or Tell MAMA to promote hate crime reporting) in what is a very pronounced example of not understanding optics, because they're complaining the trial has increased anti-Sikh hate crimes.
 
Not that I'd enjoy seeing it, but I could wish that the footage carried on a little longer to see how the police behave after they realise he is actually hurt.
I think they cut it there, cause the person reviewing the footage knew how bad things looked. It's bad enough as is, the full thing is far worse.
 
I hope this is a turning point, but I'm a little cynical on it.
I've seen a few left wing talking heads commenting/sharing the news, and while none of them are 'getting it' and quite understanding why Nowak was murdered by the Digwa family and the police, it is spreading and spreading fast. I've even seen a few criticise Stand up to Racism for counterprotesting his vigil. A lot of right wing talking heads are using the "when you [Sikhs] have a privilege [carrying the knives] losing it feels like persecution" language that was used against Whites during 'Woke 1.0' which a few commentators are picking up.
There is still more footage that can, and should, be released.


I mean if it's public information then people who mean them harm will find it anyway. I have no interest in where these people live but I will confess I'd like to put some faces to the crime and test my stereotyping abilities.

But it's your call.
Nevermind it's all been posted on the other thread. Apparently Hampshire/Isle of Wight were one of the first areas to get DEI lectures and retraining after Saint Floyd. I've seen multiple addresses get thrown around for the Digwa family and the police, which is frightening if they are not real and innocent people are now in the line of fire. PC Parsons looks exactly like you'd expect, imho. He's got that... Mamdani limp wristed smile about him. He's DFE'd now.
 
I dont care what he was carrying. He was doing it with state sanctioned impunity because he is brown and follows an alien and non-native faith. The picture of him at his workplace showing him carrying a fucking knife,in a holster are a demonstration of the decades long cock sucking of non-natives TPTB have engaged in.

Also the piece of shit who did this and his brother were effectively barred from being knife instructors by people in their religious community because some of them had concerns about their love of weapons. What happened with those concerns? Absolutely fucking NOTHING because they closed ranks and protected their own which is what they always do.
 
Since knife stuff is in the news, there's actually something I was wondering about. There's this British guy Tod Cutler who has a youtube channel where he makes and tests replica medieval weapons, and he's also got a store online where he sells them and...is this not totally illegal? Everything I know about Britain says these would be illegal to own. And there's an option to purchase them sharp so he's not getting around it that way. If the rondel daggers are like the ones he's shown on his channel then they're no joke, they'll go through a steel plate like it's nothing, way scarier than swords in my opinion.
 
Since knife stuff is in the news, there's actually something I was wondering about. There's this British guy Tod Cutler who has a youtube channel where he makes and tests replica medieval weapons, and he's also got a store online where he sells them and...is this not totally illegal? Everything I know about Britain says these would be illegal to own. And there's an option to purchase them sharp so he's not getting around it that way. If the rondel daggers are like the ones he's shown on his channel then they're no joke, they'll go through a steel plate like it's nothing, way scarier than swords in my opinion.
You can own swords and knives, you just can't carry them around.
 
Oh that makes sense. And if someone breaks into your house you might be fucked if you used it on them?
If you went and got one specifically for it? Perhaps. It depends on if the court decides that you were being 'proportionate'. Because the self defence law places the onus on the person being attacked, to know what level of force his attacker intends to use, and match it. Which is retarded and favours the criminal filth doing the attacking, but ho hum, anarcho tyranny go brrrrrr.
 
Oh that makes sense. And if someone breaks into your house you might be fucked if you used it on them?
If somebody breaks into your house and you end up killing the attacker, you are unironically better served by just disappearing the corpse in the ocean. If you go to them, the authorities will crucify you for not offering your arsehole up to the criminal to rape at his pleasure as he takes your things.
 
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Oh that makes sense. And if someone breaks into your house you might be fucked if you used it on them?
From CPS:

Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgments over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment, that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in self-defence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.

What amounts to disproportionate force?

The force you use must always be reasonable in the circumstances as you believe them to be. Where you are defending yourself or others from intruders in your home it might still be reasonable in the circumstances for you to use a degree of force that is subsequently considered to be disproportionate, perhaps if you are acting in extreme circumstances in the heat of the moment and don’t have a chance to think about exactly how much force would be necessary to repel the intruder: it might seem reasonable to you at the time but with hindsight, your actions may seem disproportionate. The law will give you the benefit of the doubt in these circumstances. This only applies if you were acting in self-defence or to protect others in your home and the force you used was disproportionate - disproportionate force to protect property is still unlawful.

Basically, it would be allowed if you had the sword for decoration, panicked because someone was breaking into your house and grabbed it to stab them. But it wouldn't be a defence if you then kept stabbing them, or if you specifically had the sword under the rationale "I can use this to stab people who break in", or if the intruder was running away with your stuff they'd nicked. It's a bit like attacking someone with a baseball bat. If you play baseball and grabbed it in the hallway and hit an intruder who had a knife out, you're not going to face charges. If you sleep with a baseball bat next to your bed, have no evidence of playing baseball and snuck downstairs to hit a burglar, you probably will. The police do not take kindly to having prepared weapons to defend against a home invasion (which is insane).
 
The police do not take kindly to having prepared weapons to defend against a home invasion (which is insane).
In fairness - which is wild coming from me I am aware - a lot of self defence does just get trundled through, and the CPS won't molest you to death if you do it. But any sort of media attention, or potential for media attention makes them freak out and dissect you alive. We have a very 'jumpy' prosecution and legal team. In that they clearly cannot be bothered to do their jobs, up until someone puts them under a magnifying glass, at which point they scramble around and over compensate. Our laws and protections are not applied evenly, and part of that is down to the elevation of foreigners, but part of it is also good old fashioned laziness and institutional rot.
 
I am neither lawyer nor popo so can't attest to this information, but from someone who claims to be a cop here's a list of ways the attending officers violated due process. and their training. Personally after watching that 2 minute video I think its more likely the police intervention actually killed him (dragging him along the ground further traumatized his injuries and placing him on his his side may have caused blood to flood his lungs).
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Lowepost: Look Back in Anger.
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You can own swords and knives, you just can't carry them around.
Certain types of knives are illegal to own though. For example, samurai swords and “zombie knives” - large, decorative blades without much practical use.
What is the logic for banning them, and why it doesn’t equally apply to the Kirpan thing I don’t know.

As disgusting as the case is, I do think Lowe is over egging it a bit here. You’re making Farage sound reasonable and moderate.
 
I do think Lowe is over egging it a bit here
A white boy was murdered by a filthy brown, the filthy brown's family attempted to cover up the crime, and the police came along and sided with the filthy brown and aided in the killing of the boy because the Sikh's turban was dirty. This footage coming out the same day Lowe had just recounted the awful shit that browns do to white girls. Lowe is understandably angry, and so is everyone with any sort of spine.
The whole of the country just saw irrefutable proof that the police fucking hate them and want them to die in favor of 80 IQ browns that are allowed to carry weapons.
Also Farage is a fucking centrist, sounding reasonable and moderate is his newly designated point.
 
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