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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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So with Reeves now capping what you can save into a private pension via salary sacrifice, what options are there, realistically, for saving for retirement?
Depends on the usual caveats of your own circumstances and appetite for risk....
ISAs and property mainly.
I think Labour have pretty much got their greedy little claws in everything now.

As much as it goes against my morals I'm considering cashing mine in totally and draining my savings account and getting all the help I can when I retire because it'll pay more.
I'm not sure this is wise - again it depends on individual circumstances, but as I understand it most people only get to withdraw 25% as a lump sum tax free ( capped at about £250k if the pot is worth about £1mil ).

The "screw this, I'm not playing" tactic is tempting on emotion, but I would rather try to beat them at their own game. I wouldn't resent paying tax so much if I didn't think it was wasted on workshy grifters and people that despise me for what I am ( and what they are not ). If I thought the money went to people who were deserving ( a group that seems to grow smaller every day ) I wouldn't begrudge it so much.
The issue I have with retirement is that everyone has 40 years or so to prepare. I am fairly pessimistic by nature ( especially concerning government motivations and promises ) so would tend to plan several income streams in case Labour attempt to highjack one or several of them.
I would not plan on government reliance in the future for anything. The State is failing, it's far too large and cannot support itself. The public sector is far too fat and choking the life out of the private sector ( the one that actually supports the country ) - this is the usual Labour created doom spiral.

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Reform and Labour are now neck and neck in terms of Union popularity. If ever there was proof that Reform aren't what the country needs and is far too sympathetic to socialism, this is it.
 
Eh? What are people eating cauliflower cheese with other than a roast dinner?
Never had it with a roast dinner in my life. The idea of cheese and roast beef & gravy makes me boak.

Cauliflower cheese is a dish on its own in my house, perhaps served with boiled or mashed potatoes if we’re particularly hungry.
 
This is mental. You can of course eat cauliflower cheese with anything you like, but it is an entirely normal accompaniment to any roast dinner.

Maybe this is a north/south thing?
 
I didn't think this was real but it is
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Suffah turkroach!!
I wondered why I got sent a BASED STARMER meme this morning. Thanks Keir for showing we can block turks from entering the country.

Burnham's new logo for the Makerfield election (X), which will be appearing on beermats soon. It's a mix of Northern Soul and Wigan Casino. Times Article about his campaign and rugby or smth (X). I have to say that 'Change Labour' doesn't come across as 'change the leadership of the labour party' but as 'change (remove) labour' to me.
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The next prime minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is standing in a windowless changing room, listening intently, furrowing his neat and famous brow. These old benches don’t look like they can take the weight of 13 starters and however many subs for much longer. They could do with a partition wall along here, they’d get more teams in. And who kicked a hole in that door, by the way?

Outside, and into the blazing sun, a long metal fence separates six pristine pitches from the estate behind St Jude’s Amateur Rugby League Club. It went up last year — to stop the marauding quads and scrambler bikes from doing donuts around the posts. Don’t get them started on the dog walkers. The mess they left behind was even uglier.

Forget your fiscal rules, fantasy cabinets and proportional representation. Today, these are the only conversations that matter to Andy Burnham, the Labour candidate for Makerfield. What else possibly could? We are, after all — despite the misleading, ancient name of what is now the most famous parliamentary constituency in the country — in Wigan. Not only that, but it is the afternoon of the Challenge Cup final, and the Warriors are at Wembley, vying for their 22nd title against Hull Kingston Rovers.

Burnham, however, is here, in Worsley Mesnes, deep in paternal reverie, recalling what this flat turf once meant to his boy: abject terror. Rugby league is everything to the people who could soon send him back to the Commons – and to Downing Street, and that’s why he is here, supping lager from a plastic pint pot, having declined an invitation to Wembley’s royal box.

But there are strict limits in this pursuit of local goodwill. No doors will be knocked by Labour, who are focusing their efforts on the 17 per cent of voters their data suggests are still undecided, between 3pm and 5pm on this particular Saturday afternoon. They’d only go unanswered. And unlike Josh Simons, the MP who quit to clear his path, Burnham has not turned up in a Wigan shirt. The Paul Smith stays on. He’s a Leyther, a Leigh man. Westminster will say what it always says about Burnham’s U-turns, but he knows what really matters to people here.

And today as every day it is the rugby. Robert Kenyon, Burnham’s Reform rival, is down the pub. He isn’t knocking doors either. “I can’t miss it,” he’d told me, 24 hours earlier. “There’s no way. I’m watching that game. People are coming up from all over the country for this campaign, they don’t understand how big the Challenge Cup is. I say to them: Challenge Cup day is like your polling day.” He very nearly got tickets himself, but Simons and Burnham have put paid to that plan.

Go on then, pick one: Robert Kenyon wins this by-election, or Wigan win another Challenge Cup? He pauses, just for a second: “Both.” He might yet get his wish. If Burnham succeeds in stopping him, it will be because he has convinced this corner of rugby league country – towns, much like their sport of choice, almost totally ignored by London – that the Labour Party is still capable of understanding its soul. At the end of This Sporting Life, David Storey’s great elegy for the industrial game, an entire town gathers for the funeral of a local factory owner. One mourner bemoans the passing of an old era of paternalism. “The only thing we’ll be known for,” he complains, “is the standard of our football team … we’ll have a football team.”

He was talking about league, of course, and might as well have been talking about Makerfield. They still have a team. Do they have a Labour Party?

A few miles up the road at the Labour club in Stubshaw Cross, a fifty-strong crowd of regulars carries on not bothered by the campaign circus of canvassers, visiting MPs including Angela Rayner and busy bag carriers that’s commandeered their local. They’re here for their (rugby league) football team.

Not long after kick-off, Wigan go a try up. Burnham, fresh pint of Cruzcampo in hand, agrees with this merciless assessment of the state of Makerfield from a wise but cynical local. These towns were shaped by three great institutional traditions: the Labour Party, the Catholic Church, and rugby league.


Now only the last fully resembles its former glory, and even then, with its perennial financial woes, only just. “You have to stay connected or you don’t succeed – you don’t exist,” says Burnham. “But the difference between the Labour Party and rugby league is, while rugby league has its challenges, it’s run by the northern set, and I don’t think the same can always be said of the Labour Party.”

Instead, he says, mainstream politics has come to embody the “unaccountable state”, a phrase he did not use in his 1,500-word reply to Sir Tony Blair’s polemic on the state of the Labour Party in The Times last week, but now wishes he had. He sees the reformed state New Labour built and the Tories consolidated is a mess of “arms-length bodies, academy trusts, private entities”, all pushed out of “democratic control”, and away from the people watching Wigan in this beer garden. The result, he warns, could soon be a country as polarised as America: and then right on cue, an activist tells him of a woman who refused a poster for fear of a brick through her window.

He cites a Cameron-era reform that abolished the requirement for council representation on housing associations. “How can something that’s as fundamental as housing not have any democratic oversight? This whole thing of weakening council powers and funding? If you can’t fix a pothole, no wonder politics is in the gutter.” How, though, does Burnham propose to pull it out? And wasn’t he, as a younger cabinet minister, at the very least one of the supporting cast of guilty men and women? “I would say I was somebody typical of these parts … unity, you’ve gotta be a team, you may not like everything the manager says, but you’ve got to play for the manager.”

As they’d say round here, he’s on one now. “The sneering commentary that sometimes I get, I’m Corbynite, that…” Sarcastic air quotes: “Joke”. He’s talking about Westminster’s favourite gag, about a Corbynite, Blairite and Brownite walking into a bar, and the landlord asking what Andy is having. “I don’t to sound too touchy about this, but rather than ridiculing me, I think it says something about the people that tell that joke: that they are factional. That they are not team players, that they are factional, and they revel in their factionalism within Labour, whereas I’ve tried to support Labour.”

Ironically, at least some of those people are now trooping up to this very Labour club. For now, at least, everybody wants to be on Andy’s team. Luckily for them, he insists his only grudges are for Premier League referees, VAR and whoever else “damages the fortunes of Everton Football Club”, where he has renewed his season ticket. I see at least a dozen MPs in my couple of hours in the beer garden, not all of whom I can imagine sampling a pie barm.

Just after half time – Wigan 10, Hull KR 4 – our conversation is enlivened by a gang of weary canvassers from Hertfordshire, traumatised by a bloodbath of Labour councillors in Stevenage. I ask whether this new Burnham might not be a little too, well, regional for the London commuter belt. They think that question ridiculous: Labour has to change, or die. And besides, you can get away with being a northerner in the south, one says,but not a southerner in the north.

How, though, can Brand Burnham, northern, demotic, anti-political, relentlessly normal, survive prolonged contact with Westminster? As we talk, he shows me his new campaign logo, soon to be printed on beermats for distribution throughout the constituency’s pubs. Around a clenched fist are the words: CHANGE LABOUR, KEEP THE FAITH. I recognise its inspiration immediately: the northern soul badges once sewed on the jackets and jeans of the men and women who’d come from around the country to dance away their youth at the Wigan Casino. Like the collieries that give their names to the rugby league and social clubs, it has long since closed.

I wonder whether the Burnham of this campaign will be chewed up by forces beyond his control, just like the old Wigan. But his mission, as he describes it, is to reverse the Starmer revolution as well as Thatcher’s. “The negative energy, I have to say, that has come out in recent times in the way Labour has been run, has been corrosive … it’s just been toxic and damaging to the unity the party needs.” He goes on: “I would 100 per cent be going back to change the culture, 100 per cent.”

More than once he bemoans the “straitjacket of the whip”, which he blames, in part, for creating the old, ill-at-ease Burnham, that self-doubting neophyte recalled with lofty condescension by Westminster’s greybeards. Does he still want to abolish whipping altogether? Some in Labour find the very suggestion hysterically naive, but he does not resile from it. “I look back at the times when I was in the PLP … if we’d gone with what the PLP was saying – and I am talking about Iraq, but I’m talking about other things as well – the conscience of the PLP will guide the government, that’s what I believe.”

Indeed, it’s dragged Starmer kicking and screaming, if anything. Another pint arrives. “Where it goes wrong is if a small group of people at the top use the whip as an instrument of threat. I think the government will be better served by the collective wisdom of the PLP, personally … the main thing I would come to is authenticity. Let your representatives be authentic representatives of their places. Don’t punish them for taking a position that actually connects with people they are serving. Don’t send them into TV studios with lines to take on everything.”

It will be music to the ears of a parliamentary party that for a long time complained of cruel and unusual punishment at the hands of Morgan McSweeney’s No 10. “The loosening of the whip system would raise the status of members of parliament. It would let them appear more authentic to their constituents. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. It’s like tablets of stone in Westminster, but to me it’s not: if a sizeable number of Labour MPs can’t support the government, then it’s probably the wrong thing.”

Still, there will be one concession to convention should the voters send him to Westminster: a suit and tie. “I’ll guess I’ll have to. It’s the rules, isn’t it? It’s the law!” Blame the Speaker. “The Lindsay law! He’s old school, I’m old school. I’ll always do what’s required. I’m not a complete rebel like that. I will do what’s required.” The Commons doorkeepers and the bond markets will be relieved to hear that.

Soon the whistle blows: Wigan 40, Hull KR 10. Before long Burnham is away, gladhanding, posing for selfies kicking a football in the Labour club car park. It’s a margin the locals hadn’t quite expected – but that’s the Wigan they always knew. Burnham’s bet is that he can make them recognise the Labour Party, too.
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The Mandy files are coming out tomorrow btw. Looking forward to finding out how many Members of Parliament are involved.
 
An alleged job advert in Trafford for UNIQLO (clothing store) has been found, asking for refugees only. 37.5 hours at £13.45, above minumum wage. (X)

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Uniqlo does not have a general "refugees only" hiring policy. However, the company is actively expanding its global RISE (Refugee Inclusion Supporting and Empowerment) program, partnering with humanitarian groups like the UNHCR to support displaced individuals through employment and vocational training.
Specific to the UK, Uniqlo works with the Tent Partnership for Refugees to integrate refugees into its workforce, and occasionally runs targeted recruitment events for new store openings. For example, during the opening of its flagship store in Leeds, Uniqlo partnered with the Leeds Refugee Forum to run targeted employment initiatives for displaced applicants.

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Not that I've ever shopped there, but duly noted and added to my list.
 

Cabinet Minister Pat McFadden: Every Meeting I Have Is About Hiking Tax and Paying More Benefits​


Peter Mandelson → Pat McFadden (then Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster) WhatsApp, 24 May 2025

Mandelson:
I have spoken to Morgan a lot this week and last night I was direct with him – Keir is not leading from the front and Morgan is not organising the centre as it needs to be. Gordon has it in for Keir (and Rachel) big time. He doesn’t seriously believe that Angela is an alternative but she is an instrument of destabilization. I doubt he thinks Ed is fit for purpose but he is doing to Keir what he has always done to successive Scottish leaders.

McFadden: I don’t know what Keir thinks of all this. He has not spoken to me about any of it.

Mandelson: Does he even realise? The PLP I gather is in mutinous state

McFadden: Yes. Every meeting I have is “who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others”. They’re asking the wrong questions
More tax = more renewal = promises made, promises kept = pride for britain. Remember, we need to do this because the tories left us in such a dire state after 14 years. It HAS to be done.
 
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If anyone wants to watch Rupert Lowe's rape gang inquiry debate, it's at 16.30 today, streamed here: https://parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/42d503eb-95db-4a7b-8acd-bc5948bc9eb5
Five minutes in, the opening statement hasn't even completed before some guy leaps in to talk about Andy Burnham and call for "not scoring political points."

I have a horrible feeling they're going to try and dismiss this as much as possible. Second "giving way" now some woman talking about how "we know" that abuse is mostly done by trusted adults in the home and talking about her own involvement. Immediately grandstanding and trying to turn it away from grooming gangs. Chair woman shut it down. Third giving way now started... Lots of these people leaping in to say "how serious it is and how much they care, but..."

Now the guy talking about how retroactive collection of data post-crimes is a diversion of resources from preventing future prevention.

I've a feeling this whole debate is going to leave me with blood boiling...
 
"Obviously ethnic rape gangs are bad, but can we just shut the fuck up about it?" - Half the people so far. They all need to die tbh.
What's the logical fallacy in which someone says "X wont fix everything so don't do X"? Is being resorted to multiple times so far.

The pattern of several of the speakers so far is this: "I hate child molestation. Child molestation is bad. Look over there."

My view is pretty simple: It is not burdensome to collect this information. This information will provide a much clearer picture of child molestation in this country. More information means greater ability to deal with the problem.

That's more or less the beginning and end of the argument as far as I'm concerned. The rest is how to make it work.
 
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