Britain plots Visa rival over fears Trump could pull the plug on payments - Banks including Barclays, Natwest and Lloyds due to meet on Thursday to discuss the scheme

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Visa and Mastercard handle about 95pc of all card transactions in the UK. Credit: Toby Melville/Reuters


Britain is accelerating plans to launch an alternative to Mastercard and Visa amid growing fears Donald Trump could pull the plug on the global payments system.

The UK’s largest banks are plotting a new British platform to handle the 50 billion payments made every year after concerns were raised about Mr Trump’s ability to switch off the current system.

Lenders including Barclays, Natwest, Lloyds, Santander and Nationwide are set to meet on Thursday for the first time to develop a blueprint for the scheme, the Guardian reported. The forum is chaired by Vim Maru, head of Barclays UK.

The new system will be used to keep the economy afloat if the President decided to interfere with the payments network amid fears over his attacks on the UK and Europe.

Banks and regulators are also hoping the scheme will cut Britain’s reliance on US financial infrastructure, which underpins much of the world’s payment schemes.

“If Mastercard and Visa were turned off, it would send us back to the 1950s,” one executive told the Guardian, referring to the period when cash was used for the majority of payments.

The President’s strident tone on defence matters as well as his threats over Greenland have prompted the UK and EU to step up plans to lessen their reliance on US systems and infrastructure.

This includes accelerating plans for a rival payments system, which is dominated by US cards giants Visa and Mastercard. Both handle about 95pc of all card transactions in the UK.

Mr Trump has shown a willingness to use an array of financial weapons to achieve his aims, raising fears that the payments system could be weaponised in the future.

In January, he threatened the UK and other EU nations with 10pc tariffs if they did not back his claim to Greenland. Although he backtracked on the plan, it has raised alarm from policymakers who fear the President could throttle payments to achieve his aim.

The Treasury originally unveiled plans for the “next generation of UK retail payments infrastructure” last year, with the Bank of England establishing the Retail Payments Infrastructure Board taskforce to develop the system.

Britain’s banks are also working on blueprints for implementing the Visa and Mastercard rival, which is called DeliveryCo. UK Finance, the industry trade body, is orchestrating the plans.

A Visa spokesman said: “Visa remains committed to providing UK consumers and businesses with access to innovative, secure digital payments with the highest levels of resilience and reliability.

“We welcome the industry progress on account-to-account payments in the UK.

“We believe competition between multiple solutions, supported by a level playing field, will deliver choice, innovation and economic growth in the UK.”

Mastercard said: “The payment industry has never been more competitive.

“Mastercard has been fully invested in the UK for decades, delivering consumers and businesses with a wide range of convenient, simple and secure ways to pay and get paid.

“We remain committed to drive commerce here at home and across the globe by helping businesses of all sizes grow and meet the needs of their customers.”
 
Are you sure its not to setup a debanking system that goes around American systems? Since you fear America will pull the plug on payment processors like Visa blocking people for political reasons?
 
Visa and Mastercard handle about 95pc of all card transactions in the UK
i don't think a payment system controlled by the britbongs would be any better than one controlled by the ameriburgers
I think it's more of a long term plan to get a UK-EU only payment system, thereby by-passing the American owned companies.
I don't have a lot of confidence in the Brits being successful, nor keeping it from being another centralized, government-surveilled and -controlled nightmare, but at least it offers some hope of breaking the global payment oligopoly.

There was another article here recently about a European attempt to replace American (private but monopolistic) payments with a Eurocentric one (public and still monopolistic). Having a single network across the continent means a very centralized place to surveil and de-bank people, but maybe we can hope for more decentralized, national/regional-level competition.
 
I don't have a lot of confidence in the Brits being successful, nor keeping it from being another centralized, government-surveilled and -controlled nightmare, but at least it offers some hope of breaking the global payment oligopoly.

There was another article here recently about a European attempt to replace American (private but monopolistic) payments with a Eurocentric one (public and still monopolistic). Having a single network across the continent means a very centralized place to surveil and de-bank people, but maybe we can hope for more decentralized, national/regional-level competition.
I certainly trust the status quo (bad as it is) more than I would a UK-EU system which would be overtly draconian and possibly linked to CBDC (which is rearing its ugly head again).
 
Accelerating the death of American petrodollar dominance would be a pretty stupid decision from Trump, and would directly contradict his actions with Maduro, so I think the limeys are just using the orange boogeyman as an excuse to try to further enact the fake and gay version of the Iron Curtain so that they can go back to treating the British people like serfs. I would imagine the real motivation here is that American companies are not obligated to share financial transaction details with the British government, whereas a "homegrown" alternative would instantly rat you out to the government if you ever use your money in a way the government does not approve of.
 
I certainly trust the status quo (bad as it is) more than I would a UK-EU system which would be overtly draconian and possibly linked to CBDC (which is rearing its ugly head again).
I don't know that I trust the status quo, so much as view any EU-wide system as being at least as Orwellian. The article I references was about the "Digital Euro", and at the time I said it would likely just give the EU censorcrats a more direct way to de-bank dissidents, and if government-subsidized, risks drawing everyone in and leaving no alternatives.

@Tetra countered that they already have all the surveillance and control they want since the "private" corps do whatever they're told, so it would just save the 1-3% transaction fees. Maybe.

I still maintain that using some Russian or Chinese app might be "freer" in the sense that, while they'd harvest your data, it would be for more "honest" commercially-driven reasons (to market more junk to American consumers), rather than targeting you individually for Wrongthink.
 
Its not necessarily a bad thing as it allows more options and competition in the space.
If only. It's virtually the whole UK retail banking industry colluding as a cartel to replace a private (albeit Visa and Mastercard increasingly act as if they were public sector entities) hemispheric duopoly with a private (albeit directly controlled by Government openly via regulation and covertly via direction) country wide monopoly. From the ordinary person's perspective it's devil or the deep blue sea stuff only you don't get to make even that choice. Both the US and UK financial institutions have embraced political debanking, to the extent that public outrage allows, with Farage being the poster child for it here being debanked by Coutts in claimed reliance upon on reporting by the Guardian(!).

Remember boys and girls - your entire financial existence being tracked, recorded and controlled by banks and governments is necessary to prevent crime and especially nasty nasty terrorism. Just as personal freedom being stripped away is necessary to protect the kids.

Actual enforcement of competition/anti-trust laws would be great but that ain't going to happen. That would impede "late stage capitalism" / "stakeholder capitalism", i.e. not capitalism.
 
From a competition standpoint it's not a bad idea, but not sure how they expect this to get off the ground. What will it offer over Visa/Mastercard to encourage use? How will it be implemented, will it be similar in structure and requirements to Visa/Mastercard? How will its use internationally be promoted? Even domestically there will be significant roadblocks since it'll be yet another digital payments system that payment processors/facilitators have to support and maintain.

The only reason China UnionPay managed to carve out a niche is given China's market size and global economic reach, something the UK does not have. Fear of a potential shutoff for the main payment systems won't be enough to make this idea more than another consultant money pit.
 
Britain’s banks are also working on blueprints for implementing the Visa and Mastercard rival, which is called DeliveryCo.
Billions of pounds on the line and they go with a name that sounds like a jeet on a Vespa.
I assume this is a subtle nod to the fact that it will be utterly shit.
 
Aren't english banks the oldest still operational banks in the world, outside of (((them)))? Even if they aren't, why has it taken until now to make their own payment system? Even if we disregard the whole orange man bad, why not have a local alternative when you are an as large country as the uk, or france and germany for that matter, just in case?
 
Are you sure its not to setup a debanking system that goes around American systems? Since you fear America will pull the plug on payment processors like Visa blocking people for political reasons?
This is already happening a bit with Trump sanctioning people from the International Criminal Court getting people's accounts shut down in various places.


So makes sense that Europe is reacting to Trump is basically wanting to sanction judges or politicians in Europe he decides he doesn't like by trying to setup alternatives so their people aren't debanked so easily.
 
Aren't english banks the oldest still operational banks in the world, outside of (((them)))? Even if they aren't, why has it taken until now to make their own payment system? Even if we disregard the whole orange man bad, why not have a local alternative when you are an as large country as the uk, or france and germany for that matter, just in case?
Because transition between multiple markets always has conversion costs/friction, and since transitioning to a full service economy to ensure the immiseration of the masses, any friction hits every sector because everything needs to be imported. Besides, Britian hasn't been a major power since Suez; this project is only slightly more of a stretch than the Zambian space program.
 
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