Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

[Slowboat to China]

I think the cheapest overhaul would be the script. Rerendering scenes and changing the battle mechanics requires technical know-how that Brianna doesn't really have, but the story is where she had the most influence and it really, really shows. If we want to make Rev60 any better without a complete overhaul, that's probably the best way to do it.

For starters, we need some character differentiation. Cut down the Diet Whedon snark bullshit. Give us some background on what they do and how they were recruited. People will often put up with shitty mechanics to experience a stellar story, so make that story a goddamn winner.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

so now they hope to abuse the sexism card

I think a large number of them actually believe what they're talking about. At least some of them are cold and calculating manipulators and some of them are, I don't know if there is a word for it but they don't care if they're wrong or if what they're doing makes sense, they feel like they're going in a noble direction but they're dumb.
Like the woman who said if a few men have to face false rape accusations it's not so bad and might be a good thing because false rape accusations raise awareness. They know they're wrong, they just don't care, they're still the good guys.

 

[John Titor]

Funny you'd mention Sierra Games. That was co-founded by Ken and Roberta Williams. Roberta Williams invented one of the first major games franchises of its sort, the hugely successful King's Quest series. Everyone who grew up at that time and played games played some of these.

What's that? A woman in 1984? Not only designing games, but founding an entire genre?

It's almost like Wu is a Johnny-Flynt-come-lately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_House
1980!

Koei (known for Dynasty Warriors) was founded in 1978 by a husband and wife after their family textile business went belly up and made their first game in 1983. I don't know what their roles are outside of the business aspect but it sure is a lot more inspirational than Brianna's origin stories.

While not a woman, Yasumi Matsuno, creator of the game Homer and Brianna likes, is involved in a kickstarter funded project. Recently there are some (in fairness, unfounded) rumors that the developers are having funding issues and could flop any moment now. There is no justice in this world.

 

[AnOminous]

Like the woman who said if a few men have to face false rape accusations it's not so bad and might be a good thing because false rape accusations raise awareness.

This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard said.

They don't raise awareness. What they do is cast rape accusations into doubt and reinforce the general perception that rape victims are liars.

So when defendants raise the defense that the accuser is a crazy liar, it's more believable to the jury for every single time they've been exposed to some bogus rape accusation by an actual crazy liar being blown out of proportion by the press.

Hence, less real victims come forward.

Yet another way SJWs are utter shit.

Even if you could excuse the reprehensible attitude that it's totally okay to destroy someone's life over a fake rape accusation, because lol male tears, what this attitude does to actual rape victims is just as bad.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I think the cheapest overhaul would be the script. Rerendering scenes and changing the battle mechanics requires technical know-how that Brianna doesn't really have, but the story is where she had the most influence and it really, really shows. If we want to make Rev60 any better without a complete overhaul, that's probably the best way to do it.

For starters, we need some character differentiation. Cut down the Diet Whedon snark bullshit. Give us some background on what they do and how they were recruited. People will often put up with shitty mechanics to experience a stellar story, so make that story a goddamn winner.

Either that or just go all out campy with the story and have some fun. But the combat is still ridiculously padded and needs to be adjusted (maybe lower the healthbars to pick up the pace).

 

[MayMay]

I'm not sure if it's a little late by now and if it is, I'm sorry. I just haven't seen this proposal for "fixing" R60. Here goes:

- Fire Brianna Wu

End of proposal.

 

[José Mourinho]

1. Looks like Wu got an Apple Watch

2. lol good luck

3. I got a question: Why are you ironically transphobic lol?

4. Looks like Wu found another game to whine about. Shantae is FAT SHAMING.

EDIT: Found this gem:

 

[MayMay]

"The Apple Watch is basically a notification center for your wrist, with good dictation and solid workout tracking. No more and no less."

I'm pretty sure you don't need an apple watch to keep track of when to periodically check twitter every two seconds.

Oh right, class privilege I forgot.

 

[Smutley]

Drugs.

I can unfortunately attest that drugs don't make the game better, they just make you more likely to fail at the circle drawing action and have to play the game longer.

 

[José Mourinho]

Made another shitty photoshop

 

[Jaimas]

1. Looks like Wu got an Apple Watch
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2. lol good luck
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3. I got a question: Why are you ironically transphobic lol?
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4. Looks like Wu found another game to whine about. Shantae is FAT SHAMING.
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EDIT: Found this gem:

OK, that's it. Wu, them's fighting words. And you're openly lying about this scene.

So now I'm going to prove it, because you sure as fuck won't:

The scene itself focuses on Sky, Shantae's long-running friend and mentor-figure. For the uninitiated, Sky is a Warbird trainer who Shantae looks up to, much as a younger sister might. They're close friends and Sky generally acts as a moderating influence on Shantae, since Sky happens to be responsible, careful, and reasonable - all things Shantae, who's a bit younger, is generally not.

So this entire scene literally is about undermining Sky in the only way that ever works in a comedic scene: The fact that nobody can be cool in front of their parents, even someone as acknowledgedly mature and with-her-shit-together as Sky. Her mom and dad manage to fluster the normally cool and straightforward Warbird Trainer in ways that even the antagonists of the game haven't been able to, by embarassing the ever-loving shit out of her. In this regard, Wu fucking ignores the characterization going on here - I.E. the entire thing that makes the fucking scene funny.

Especially because this goes down when Sky finally has a steady boyfriend for the first time in the entire series. More on this in a second.

Sky's mom is also a bird trainer. Fittingly-enough, she treats Sky like a baby bird, addresses her with baby talk, and and talks constantly about Sky "leaving the nest" and with similar language whilst treating her daughter like she's about 9 years old. This irritates Sky to no end for reasons obvious.

Sky's dad, meanwhile, is an overprotective dick-nozzle who hides this fact behind a veneer of not giving a shit, and is very not pleased that his daughter has grown into an exceptionally curvy gal who has no issues wearing a relatively showy Warbird Trainer outfit. I.E. the joke about Sky's diet is a crack at her fucking tits.

Brianna might have picked up on this if she actually had a pair worth looking at.

Now you may ask: "Why is this important, Jaimas?" Because Wu's lying about the fat-shaming. Particularly shamelessly. And here is why:

You meet Sky's boyfriend in this scene. Indeed, you can see the motherfucker in Wu's own screenshots. He's the guy in Blue with the hat. That's right: Sky's boyfriend is none other than a fat guy named Barracuda Joe. Joe's a re-occurring character and one of the few nicer people in the Ammonian Army, but he's a dumpy-looking fat guy with a blue raccoon hat, who is dating Sky. In other words, the exact fucking opposite of fat-shaming has occurred. Sky defends her right to date whoever the fuck she wants. Wu is a fucking idiot.

In this scene, Sky's dad "Accidentally" curses Joe with a cursed artifact, petrifying him, leading to the scene where Sky accuses her parents of trying to sabotage her life and throws both out of her home for the rest of the game. Sky uses him as a doorstop for a while before Shantae cures the condition. At this point Joe breaks up with Sky because her parents are absolute fucking mental cases and Joe does not need this aggravation.

Sky gets visibly agitated and swears off dating entirely, leaving Shantae feeling a little bad about the entire event.

 

[Venusaur]

4. Looks like Wu found another game to whine about. Shantae is FAT SHAMING.
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EDIT: Found this gem:

Man, it's amazing how she never gets called out on stuff like this. I mean, Revolution 60 featured a diverse cast with different bodyshapes....

Spoiler

Oh wait. No, it didn't. They all looked like twiggy Barbies with boring character designs.

 

[Positron]

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I'm pretty sure you don't need an apple watch to keep track of when to periodically check twitter every two seconds.

He needs Apple watch to check that he still has a pulse.

 

[Cubanodun]

OK, that's it. Wu, them's fighting words. And you're openly lying about this scene.

So now I'm going to prove it, because you sure as fuck won't:

The scene itself focuses on Sky, Shantae's long-running friend and mentor-figure. For the uninitiated, Sky is a Warbird trainer who Shantae looks up to, much as a younger sister might. They're close friends and Sky generally acts as a moderating influence on Shantae, since Sky happens to be responsible, careful, and reasonable - all things Shantae, who's a bit younger, is generally not.

So this entire scene literally is about undermining Sky in the only way that ever works in a comedic scene: The fact that nobody can be cool in front of their parents, even someone as acknowledgedly mature and with-her-shit-together as Sky. Her mom and dad manage to fluster the normally cool and straightforward Warbird Trainer in ways that even the antagonists of the game haven't been able to, by embarassing the ever-loving shit out of her. In this regard, Wu fucking ignores the characterization going on here - I.E. the entire thing that makes the fucking scene funny.

Especially because this goes down when Sky finally has a steady boyfriend for the first time in the entire series. More on this in a second.

Sky's mom is also a bird trainer. Fittingly-enough, she treats Sky like a baby bird, addresses her with baby talk, and and talks constantly about Sky "leaving the nest" and with similar language whilst treating her daughter like she's about 9 years old. This irritates Sky to no end for reasons obvious.

Sky's dad, meanwhile, is an overprotective dick-nozzle who hides this fact behind a veneer of not giving a shit, and is very not pleased that his daughter has grown into an exceptionally curvy gal who has no issues wearing a relatively showy Warbird Trainer outfit. I.E. the joke about Sky's diet is a crack at her fucking tits.

Brianna might have picked up on this if she actually had a pair worth looking at.

Now you may ask: "Why is this important, Jaimas?" Because Wu's lying about the fat-shaming. Particularly shamelessly. And here is why:

You meet Sky's boyfriend in this scene. Indeed, you can see the motherfucker in Wu's own screenshots. He's the guy in Blue with the hat. That's right: Sky's boyfriend is none other than a fat guy named Barracuda Joe. Joe's a re-occurring character and one of the few nicer people in the Ammonian Army, but he's a dumpy-looking fat guy with a blue raccoon hat, who is dating Sky. In other words, the exact fucking opposite of fat-shaming has occurred. Sky defends her right to date whoever the fuck she wants. Wu is a fucking idiot.

In this scene, Sky's dad "Accidentally" curses Joe with a cursed artifact, petrifying him, leading to the scene where Sky accuses her parents of trying to sabotage her life and throws both out of her home for the rest of the game. Sky uses him as a doorstop for a while before Shantae cures the condition. At this point Joe breaks up with Sky because her parents are absolute fucking mental cases and Joe does not need this aggravation.

Sky gets visibly agitated and swears off dating entirely, leaving Shantae feeling a little bad about the entire event.

TL;DR Shantae is a better game that Revolution 60 and that trigger him to no end

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard said.

I wish I could find the article now it was some important woman at a college somewhere

 

[Olhelm]

I said this in the chat, but I'll say it here, too.

Wu seems unaware that characters are allowed to have negative traits (sexism, racism, etc) in a story. He seems to think that if a character HAS a trait like that, that means the creator(s) of the game has those sentiments, regardless of whether or not that trait is fitting for the character or setting. Characters with these traits add texture to the setting and create a more believable world, since characters have differing opinions.

When looking at Wu, it is clear to see that he doesn't know how to write. His characters are one-dimensional with the personalities of runny glue. They have no flaws, no outstanding traits, and serve only to direct the flow of a meaningless plot, rather than give depth to the world that they inhabit. It's clear to see, in this case, the following things:

1. Wu doesn't know how stories work.
2. As per @Jaimas , Wu doesn't know how context works.
3. Wu doesn't know how basic literary devices work.

He quite literally has less skill at storytelling and literary analysis than a fourth-grader.

 

[AnOminous]

1. Looks like Wu got an Apple Watch

The Apple Watch is proof that America is decadent and depraved.

 

[A Random]

Now if only someone could not only show it to him, publicly, but have people realize this.

Also, seriously, Wu, why can't you realize fatshaming applies to people you don't like too?

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

The Apple Watch is proof that America is decadent and depraved.

Brianna Wu is why terrorists hate us

 

[Poor Choices]

Also, seriously, Wu, why can't you realize fatshaming applies to people you don't like too?

Nah then she might be forced to confront her inconsistent ways and make Holiday into Hamiday.