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What are you opinions on GamerGate and Brianna Wu / John Flynt?

  • I am of no opinion towards either.

    Votos: 104 8.6%
  • I am neutral on GamerGate, but think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 631 52.1%
  • I am neutral on GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%
  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, but still think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 112 9.2%
  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 37 3.1%
  • I am PRO-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 309 25.5%
  • I am PRO-GamerGate, but still think that and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%

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Forgive me for the anime sperg because this is involuntarily funny.

That character, Uzuki, is from a game, Idolm@ster: Cinderella Girls. It's a mobile freemium game, like pokemon with pop singers, and a rhythm game (The rhythm game is fun, actually). It got an anime adaptation recently. Near the end of it, this character was portrayed as having a breakdown, spewing "I'll do my best" as some sort of depression mantra. The cause of the breakdown? Her friends were improving their skills and advancing their careers and she felt left behind. *cough*

This image is mocking the character for how hollow her words rang, as she tried in vain to reinvent herself to keep up. She's not "staying positive in the face of adversity" like Wu is trying to imply. In that memepic, the character is lying to herself. *cough, cough*

Note that I don't blame Wu for not getting the context right since it's rather obscure in occident, but I think it's ironic that she picked that image, as it describes "real Wu" better than "the image of Wu" she tries to project.
 
The thing Wu is describing though is incredibly ambitious. Not only much better speech recognition and natural language processing than is currently available to the average programmer on the street, but analysis of intent and emotional content. Not even the top research labs have anything close to this. Wu isn't any sort of audio engineer, has no fucking clue about cutting edge AI, basically has no idea how to even start implementing her ideas. I can say with certainty that I'm an infinitely better software engineer that Wu, and I couldn't even prototype half the stuff she says she's going to do.

Chris-Chan will create Roko's Basilisk before Wu codes shit.
 
She's been attempting to raise venture capital for more than a year now, and she's been stringing poor Anna Megill along who is supposed to be "director" of this project along for all that time. She had a patreon initially to try and cover her expenses, now her savings have run out and she's had to resort to temp jobs. I'm not sure why she still believes Wu is actually going to pay her at some point, but apparently she does.
What's the story with this? I looked this lady up, and it seems like maybe she kinda-sorta had real jobs at one point, but then fell off the radar. I find it hard to believe that anyone who's had jobs would spend 14 months on Wu's nonexistent payroll.
 
Forgive me for the anime sperg because this is involuntarily funny.

That character, Uzuki, is from a game, Idolm@ster: Cinderella Girls. It's a mobile freemium game, like pokemon with pop singers, and a rhythm game (The rhythm game is fun, actually). It got an anime adaptation recently. Near the end of it, this character was portrayed as having a breakdown, spewing "I'll do my best" as some sort of depression mantra. The cause of the breakdown? Her friends were improving their skills and advancing their careers and she felt left behind. *cough*

This image is mocking the character for how hollow her words rang, as she tried in vain to reinvent herself to keep up. She's not "staying positive in the face of adversity" like Wu is trying to imply. In that memepic, the character is lying to herself. *cough, cough*

Note that I don't blame Wu for not getting the context right since it's rather obscure in occident, but I think it's ironic that she picked that image, as it describes "real Wu" better than "the image of Wu" she tries to project.

We are talking about the same tranny that let the message of Persona 4 (DON'T LIE TO YOURSELF) go completely over his self deceitful skull.
 
What's the story with this? I looked this lady up, and it seems like maybe she kinda-sorta had real jobs at one point, but then fell off the radar. I find it hard to believe that anyone who's had jobs would spend 14 months on Wu's nonexistent payroll.

I can't claim to have any special insights, but if I had to guess I'd say that since this "Project Untold" thing was basically Anna's idea, she was seduced by the idea of getting a project she's passionate about made, to the point that it's overridden her reasonable expectations of what's possible. Wu has also shown that she has no particular qualms about lying, so there's possibly some strategic lies going on behind the scenes to keep her on board. Alternatively, they really could have some promising leads on actually getting money. Seems unlikely, but anything is possible I guess.

That said, the original description of what "Project Untold" was going to be, some sort of visual novel creation kit akin to a souped-up twine, bears no resemblance to what Wu is now saying Giant Spacekat is going to be doing. The original thing is something I would have said might be within their abilities,even without external investment (though apparently they can't afford to pay Megill a salary, which suggests they have no actual capital at all.) This new thing is delusional in scope, even with $23 million. It's flat impossible for any company that's looking to make a profit in the near term.
 
Created an account to say something about Wu's venture capital ambitions. In that incredibly catty podcast they did about the Samantha Bielefield, one of Wu's only contributions was to complain about how as a woman so many doors are closed to her that would be open to a man "with the same experience." She's also claiming she's in the middle of raising $23 million dollars in VC in the latest interview she did. She's full of shit.

She's been attempting to raise venture capital for more than a year now, and she's been stringing poor Anna Megill along who is supposed to be "director" of this project along for all that time. She had a patreon initially to try and cover her expenses, now her savings have run out and she's had to resort to temp jobs. I'm not sure why she still believes Wu is actually going to pay her at some point, but apparently she does.

The thing Wu is describing though is incredibly ambitious. Not only much better speech recognition and natural language processing than is currently available to the average programmer on the street, but analysis of intent and emotional content. Not even the top research labs have anything close to this. Wu isn't any sort of audio engineer, has no fucking clue about cutting edge AI, basically has no idea how to even start implementing her ideas. I can say with certainty that I'm an infinitely better software engineer that Wu, and I couldn't even prototype half the stuff she says she's going to do.

Nobody is going to take her business plan seriously. Her entire strategy seems to be that she has the great ideas, and if she's given millions of dollars she'll hire the little people to make that happen. Venture capital is for companies that have the demonstrated ability to deliver a thing, but need money to deliver it at scale or to bootstrap manufacturing. Wu has nothing but pie in the sky ideas, and anybody can have those.

The weird thing is that Giant Spacekat doesn't appear to have a plan B if they can't get this money. Wu can go on pretending indefinitely she's a game developer as long as Frank still has a job, but how long are Anna Megill and Amanda Warner going to put up with her delusions of grandeur? It's going to be interesting watching for the point when they finally get disillusioned. I expect that to happen sometime next year.

Thanks for the info. Where does she describe her actual business plan. Is it in the podcast? I've seen lots of yammering about it, but no actual details.

Edit: When I say "business plan" I'm asking about whatever the new thing Project Untold is supposed to be.
 
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Edit: When I say "business plan" I'm asking about whatever the new thing Project Untold is supposed to be.

This recent interview lays it out the plainest I've seen:

So what we’re doing at our studio is we are in the middle of raising $23 million to build games that are going to let you interact with stories and in extremely organic ways.

We have three primary sensors that we’re working on. One is looking at where your eyes are pointed, another is looking at your body language, another is analyzing the emotional tone of your voice and determining the intent behind it. The technology we are working on will let you put on VR goggles and live in this world and talk to people and have them react in emotional ways to what you are saying. So if you’re looking a character in the eye while talking to them about something serious, they’re going to respond to you with more fire than if you’re looking around the room. If you speak to someone aggressively, that is going to affect how they react to you. We are working on these extremely complicated tools to get to really awesome story-based games.

She's been yammering about VR and how she's been getting devkits for a while on twitter, though, so this isn't a recent change of direction. Spending your husband's money on new toys is a lot easier than producing cutting edge natural language processing though.
 
This recent interview lays it out the plainest I've seen:



She's been yammering about VR and how she's been getting devkits for a while on twitter, though, so this isn't a recent change of direction. Spending your husband's money on new toys is a lot easier than producing cutting edge natural language processing though.

Word - but has she said that's the new Project Untold specifically? Or might she be working on that alongside the HIGH TECH HYPERINTERACTIVE VIRTUAL READING EXPERIENCE that Project Untold was originally to be?
 
This recent interview lays it out the plainest I've seen:



She's been yammering about VR and how she's been getting devkits for a while on twitter, though, so this isn't a recent change of direction. Spending your husband's money on new toys is a lot easier than producing cutting edge natural language processing though.
And every twenty minutes, it dispenses an ice cold bottle of champagne, wrapped in a crisp $100 bill. And it cures cancer and balances your checkbook. And gives a great blowjob.
Seriously, is there any part of what she's describing that's realistically possible?

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I'm just thinking about the processing power you'd need for to be able to:
-Accurately interpret human speech, then accurately interpret voice inflection and possible range of emotional states.
-Accurately gauge body language and microgestures in order to understand the feelings being conveyed.
-Track eye movement and interpret its interactions with virtual objects.
-Somehow have the space and power for a deep, rich game world top of all of this.
I have no idea what kind of system could handle that, but I guarantee Apple doesn't make it.
 
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Word - but has she said that's the new Project Untold specifically? Or might she be working on that alongside the HIGH TECH HYPERINTERACTIVE VIRTUAL READING EXPERIENCE that Project Untold was originally to be?

Not explicitly, as far as I'm aware. Implicitly, it more or less has to be the case that the new idea is the sole thing. In podcasts and stuff around the time she originally announced this Project Untold thing, she originally said she was seeking venture capital for that, and it seems to be that belief that Anna Megill is clinging to by not getting another permanent, salaried job. However this new thing appears to be the idea that's being shopped to VCs now. Unless Wu is more delusional than even I think, she can't very well be intending to raise money on the back of one idea and spent some part of it on developing something else only tangentially related.

And every twenty minutes, it dispenses an ice cold bottle of champagne, wrapped in a crisp $100 bill. And it cures cancer and balances your checkbook. And gives a great blowjob.
Seriously, is there any part of what she's describing that's realistically possible?

Edit:
I'm just thinking about the processing power you'd need for to be able to:
-Accurately interpret human speech, then accurately interpret voice inflection and possible range of emotional states.
-Accurately gauge body language and microgestures in order to understand the feelings being conveyed.
-Track eye movement and interpret its interactions with virtual objects.
-Somehow have the space and power for a deep, rich game world top of all of this.
I have no idea what kind of system could handle that, but I guarantee Apple doesn't make it.

Well, the eye tracking thing is possible within the crude, fixed focus world of current gen VR. That's just good, old-fashioned raycasting combined with the head movement sensors. The rest of it is out of this world nuts.
 
Well, the eye tracking thing is possible within the crude, fixed focus world of current gen VR. That's just good, old-fashioned raycasting combined with the head movement sensors. The rest of it is out of this world nuts.
That's sort of what I thought. I mean, we have some rudimentary ability to track movement and body position, like with the kinect. We can do some eye tracking stuff, like with VR. We can do a little voice command stuff, like on phones. But advancing it to the point that you're interpreting it all as a whole, and with enough precision to interpret emotional state and voice inflection, then having the AI adjust accordingly? Wu's dubious programming ability aside, I'm not sure any hardware out there could handle that, to say nothing of what it would take to program something like that.
This is kinda nice. I knew when she started talking about some mysterious big "thing", it was going to be batshit and she delivered beautifully.
 
That's sort of what I thought. I mean, we have some rudimentary ability to track movement and body position, like with the kinect. We can do some eye tracking stuff, like with VR. We can do a little voice command stuff, like on phones. But advancing it to the point that you're interpreting it all as a whole, and with enough precision to interpret emotional state and voice inflection, then having the AI adjust accordingly? Wu's dubious programming ability aside, I'm not sure any hardware out there could handle that, to say nothing of what it would take to program something like that.
This is kinda nice. I knew when she started talking about some mysterious big "thing", it was going to be batshit and she delivered beautifully.

Yeah, you only have to look at Youtube's automatic subtitling to see what infinite money and the biggest natural grammar dataset in existence gets you in terms of speech recognition. Spoiler, it isn't anywhere close to good enough, and that doesn't even have to be processed in real time. Human conversation is massively latency intolerant. I don't really know why Wu thinks she can do these things, or even why she thinks anyone can do these things. Maybe she's just making up lies on the fly as to her plans, and she's completely failed to get anywhere with VCs in the past year. That was certainly the impression I got from her whining about closed doors on the podcast.
 
Maybe she's just making up lies on the fly as to her plans, and she's completely failed to get anywhere with VCs in the past year. That was certainly the impression I got from her whining about closed doors on the podcast.

First off, Wu looks completely insane even at a first glance. Anyone looking at Wu would assume they're looking at a crazy person, and that's before the wacky babble and stream of unverified, unlikely and bizarre claims start flowing forth like a fountain of bullshit.

Wu is going to get nowhere with VCs, who are used to more accomplished liars.
 
We've already heard from her former employees about how inept she is, but sometimes I think Wu believes that programming is just some kind of space magic that can do anything, regardless of limits.
 
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I'm just thinking about the processing power you'd need for to be able to:
-Accurately interpret human speech, then accurately interpret voice inflection and possible range of emotional states.
-Accurately gauge body language and microgestures in order to understand the feelings being conveyed.
-Track eye movement and interpret its interactions with virtual objects.
-Somehow have the space and power for a deep, rich game world top of all of this.
I have no idea what kind of system could handle that, but I guarantee Apple doesn't make it.
And even assuming someone magically dropped the emotion-detecting technology into your lap, what would you even do with it? Even leaving aside the issue you might want to play a character who has different feelings from you - some human's still got to write all the story options to respond to your emotions. To make it remotely manageable you'd have to collapse it all back down into broad categories like "happy", "sad", etc. You know, branching options just like in "Revolution 60", or the games it stole the mechanic from.
 
Or go to the opposite extreme and Chris Crawford it up with unlimited story space at the cost of a massively limited grammar. Chris Crawford has spent most of his career failing to make that entertaining or commercially viable, and he's just using text. Somehow shoehorning natural speech in to that framework would be like going from stone tools to the internal combustion engine in a single bound.
 
First off, Wu looks completely insane even at a first glance. Anyone looking at Wu would assume they're looking at a crazy person, and that's before the wacky babble and stream of unverified, unlikely and bizarre claims start flowing forth like a fountain of bullshit.

Wu is going to get nowhere with VCs, who are used to more accomplished liars.

And Wu is apparently quite aware of this by now. Every time Wu wants money, Wu leans on SJWs who have less embarrassing shit attached to their name to get it by proxy.

What's amusing is how Wu has connived at his own destruction of late. Wu has thrown in his lot with the koolaid drinkers, even though their ranks are becoming more poisonous and fractured by the day and SJWs have finally started pissing off the general public due to their entitlement bullshit, so Wu's continuing to double down is really going to bite him on the ass royally, as his allies are becoming public enemies more and more as time goes on.

On this, Wu is partially aware. I've noticed Wu has completely abandoned trying to kiss Quinn and Sarkeesian's asses, and the fact Wu bailed rather quickly on whiteknighting Nyberg before any other SJW definitely means Wu is just bright enough to realize what could hurt his bottom line, and while deranged idiots like Arthur Chu still retweet this jackass, Wu rarely if ever returns the favor.

In fact, Wu's circle of true believers has contracted considerably in recent day, and the fact he refuses to change his tune, babbling on about projects that will never happen and being even more brazen about trying to silence dissent is a good sign Johnny is getting nervous about the money drying up, but he's going to continue lying to himself until he can't ignore how much it hurts anymore.
 
I can't claim to have any special insights, but if I had to guess I'd say that since this "Project Untold" thing was basically Anna's idea, she was seduced by the idea of getting a project she's passionate about made, to the point that it's overridden her reasonable expectations of what's possible. Wu has also shown that she has no particular qualms about lying, so there's possibly some strategic lies going on behind the scenes to keep her on board. Alternatively, they really could have some promising leads on actually getting money. Seems unlikely, but anything is possible I guess.

That said, the original description of what "Project Untold" was going to be, some sort of visual novel creation kit akin to a souped-up twine, bears no resemblance to what Wu is now saying Giant Spacekat is going to be doing. The original thing is something I would have said might be within their abilities,even without external investment (though apparently they can't afford to pay Megill a salary, which suggests they have no actual capital at all.) This new thing is delusional in scope, even with $23 million. It's flat impossible for any company that's looking to make a profit in the near term.

This original concept of Project Untold being basically some kind of visual novel dev kit sounds doomed to fail even if they stuck to it - companies aren't just going to line up for something like that, you need a demonstrator game to show this shit off.

And given how Wu can't even make a playable demo of the PC R60 port, we all know where that would have gone.

This recent interview lays it out the plainest I've seen:
So what we’re doing at our studio is we are in the middle of raising $23 million to build games that are going to let you interact with stories and in extremely organic ways.

We have three primary sensors that we’re working on. One is looking at where your eyes are pointed, another is looking at your body language, another is analyzing the emotional tone of your voice and determining the intent behind it. The technology we are working on will let you put on VR goggles and live in this world and talk to people and have them react in emotional ways to what you are saying. So if you’re looking a character in the eye while talking to them about something serious, they’re going to respond to you with more fire than if you’re looking around the room. If you speak to someone aggressively, that is going to affect how they react to you. We are working on these extremely complicated tools to get to really awesome story-based games.

She's been yammering about VR and how she's been getting devkits for a while on twitter, though, so this isn't a recent change of direction. Spending your husband's money on new toys is a lot easier than producing cutting edge natural language processing though.

...forgive me if I'm wrong, but I swear to God all Wu is talking about is making a real life version of either .HACK or Sword Art Online.

Seriously, is there any part of what she's describing that's realistically possible?

Edit:
I'm just thinking about the processing power you'd need for to be able to:
-Accurately interpret human speech, then accurately interpret voice inflection and possible range of emotional states.
-Accurately gauge body language and microgestures in order to understand the feelings being conveyed.
-Track eye movement and interpret its interactions with virtual objects.
-Somehow have the space and power for a deep, rich game world top of all of this.
I have no idea what kind of system could handle that, but I guarantee Apple doesn't make it.

Well, individually, at least basic versions of all these things do exist:

- The Nintendo 64's "Voice Recognition Unit" accessory was sensitive enough that it was calibrated to be most effective when a child spoke into it, more than a teenager or adult. Only one game ever was released in the US (out of two total) that used this thing:
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- As mentioned, there's the Kinect, but while I don't recall exactly all the details, a long while back I remember there being something at the local museum's kids area where you stood in front of a screen and it "scanned" you in, then you could play a game by jumping around and stuff in projected VR. The only game I even recall there being was a basic soccer goal keeper level (not the only one, but this was years ago so I don't even remember the thing's name) but it was fairly accurate in tracking body motion.

- Oh, I know this kind of thing exists, IIRC that was part of a driving simulator that the Mythbusters used when testing stuff about distracted driving.

- Isn't this basically Bethesda's bread and butter?

That's sort of what I thought. I mean, we have some rudimentary ability to track movement and body position, like with the kinect. We can do some eye tracking stuff, like with VR. We can do a little voice command stuff, like on phones. But advancing it to the point that you're interpreting it all as a whole, and with enough precision to interpret emotional state and voice inflection, then having the AI adjust accordingly? Wu's dubious programming ability aside, I'm not sure any hardware out there could handle that, to say nothing of what it would take to program something like that.
This is kinda nice. I knew when she started talking about some mysterious big "thing", it was going to be batshit and she delivered beautifully.

Yeah, combining all this shit when Wu's the only one potentially doing the combining is never going to happen. Wu can't code for shit, all they can do is do procastionation-level work on a few model tweaks and that's literally it - they paid other people at GSK to learn the Unreal engine to make the game only for them to take all the credit.

What's amusing is how Wu has connived at his own destruction of late. Wu has thrown in his lot with the koolaid drinkers, even though their ranks are becoming more poisonous and fractured by the day and SJWs have finally started pissing off the general public due to their entitlement bullshit, so Wu's continuing to double down is really going to bite him on the ass royally, as his allies are becoming public enemies more and more as time goes on.

Well, Wu's been pissy ever since they stopped getting featured on national television segments a long while ago - everything Wu ever does is just for attention and to be lauded for shit they never actually did or deserve to be lauded for.

On this, Wu is partially aware. I've noticed Wu has completely abandoned trying to kiss Quinn and Sarkeesian's asses, and the fact Wu bailed rather quickly on whiteknighting Nyberg before any other SJW definitely means Wu is just bright enough to realize what could hurt his bottom line, and while deranged idiots like Arthur Chu still retweet this jackass, Wu rarely if ever returns the favor.

Didn't stop Wu from being super salty about not going to that Google thing or the idiotic UN meeting that got called out for being entirely stupid.

In fact, Wu's circle of true believers has contracted considerably in recent day, and the fact he refuses to change his tune, babbling on about projects that will never happen and being even more brazen about trying to silence dissent is a good sign Johnny is getting nervous about the money drying up, but he's going to continue lying to himself until he can't ignore how much it hurts anymore.

Yeah, whatever happened to Cupcake Crisis? I thought that was the next thing Wu was working on.
 
Yeah, combining all this shit when Wu's the only one potentially doing the combining is never going to happen. Wu can't code for shit, all they can do is do procastionation-level work on a few model tweaks and that's literally it - they paid other people at GSK to learn the Unreal engine to make the game only for them to take all the credit.

Don't forget that Maria Enderton who ended up being "lead programmer" (Read: only programmer) on R60 wasn't even originally contracted as a programmer, but as technical artist. Wu is so bad as a programmer, that basically anyone is better than her no matter their skillset. My experience is that no software is ever well documented, low budget indie efforts especially so, so continuity is important. R60 PC version was supposedly code complete in February when Maria's contract expired, so there's been a gap in continuity of almost a year now when no one at GSK understands the code.

I'm guessing a large part of the reason they still haven't shipped the thing is that it's buggy and no one understands how it works well enough to debug it. If it were me, I'd be fucking terrified of launching a software product when no one who built the fucking software was still at the company.

Yeah, whatever happened to Cupcake Crisis? I thought that was the next thing Wu was working on.

That's Amanda Warner's baby, so to speak. The impression I've always gotten is that Wu has absolutely no interest in children or children's games, so she's played it off as a favor to Amanda that she's now "in charge" of Giant Spacekittens and solely responsible for shipping that shit, as a reward for loyal service on R60. Probably keeps her quiet while Wu fucks around on twitter rather than shipping the game. I'd bet modest amounts of money it never sees the light of day though.
 
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