Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

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What are you opinions on GamerGate and Brianna Wu / John Flynt?

  • I am of no opinion towards either.

    Votos: 104 8.6%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, but think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 631 52.1%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, but still think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 112 9.2%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 37 3.1%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 309 25.5%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, but still think that and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%
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How the fuck do you get selfish and unethical out of paragon? The paragon path means being a by-the-book doormat that helps anyone with anything. I guess you could roleplay that you're wasting time that should be used to save the universe, but since when has Wu cared about getting things done on time?

https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/673177622587817984

@Jaimas You might want to have a look at these later for the wiki, its mostly the same shit but Wu makes a new claim that Rev60 was made by a team of 10 people working 80 hour weeks and a few other things in there seem to contradict what Wu's said in the past.
http://cliqist.com/2015/12/02/brianna-wu-game-dev-industry-trends-gsx/
https://www.inverse.com/article/877...wu-is-the-heroine-she-wanted-to-see-job-hacks
 
>Paragon is selfish and unethical

Just when I thought John couldn't get more retarded.
 
Like I said, Wu has an unbelievably skewed sense of morality. She genuinely seems to believe in a warped "ends justify the means" mentality where as long as the results come soley in her favor she has done good and her rash actions are totally justified. And it's not just in ME either, she seems to hold this belief in everything she's ever done, hence her constant lying and goading people into doing what she wants while still believing she's a good person.
 
Furina dijo:
You're assuming that Brianna and her ilk have to, at any point, accept reality. This is wrong. They don't and won't listen to anything that doesn't conform to the world view they have decided is the "correct" one.
It doesn't matter how many studies or polls you show them that prove they are wrong, all Brianna, Zoe or Anita have to do is ignore it and continue the narrative and millions will suck it up as truth.
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Only until the money dries up or shes forced into court.
 
It looks like Wu and Jordan are zoning in on the same story... I figure the sentiments will be similar.
 
John, you can feign concern for African Americans 24/7. It will never change the fact that you have a history of making vile, racist, threatening outbursts in public when people reject your "art".
 
I absolutely adore people who are so desperate to be perceived as one of the "cool" white people by minorities. It always comes across as totally genuine and not some sort of moral vanity crisis.
 
Count groudon dijo:
Like I said, Wu has an unbelievably skewed sense of morality. She genuinely seems to believe in a warped "ends justify the means" mentality where as long as the results come soley in her favor she has done good and her rash actions are totally justified. And it's not just in ME either, she seems to hold this belief in everything she's ever done, hence her constant lying and goading people into doing what she wants while still believing she's a good person.
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Wu's mindset is an alien one (fitting, as Wu looks like a fucking alien).

Fortunately, I understand it. If you'd like to as well, crush this Madman's Knowledge and join me beyond the Spoiler Tag.

Brianna does not operate under the same kind of morality you, or I, or anyone with a sense of integrity or decency would use. Indeed, Wu's morality is not based on a conscience - it's debatable whether or not she even has one. What Wu does have in its place is a general understanding of societal expectations. Wu is smart enough to know that actions have consequences, she knows what moral behavior is supposed to look like, and she knows when a general outcome is expected of her.

That said: Wu does not feel much remorse or guilt. She doesn't have the inner compass to guide her that sensible people have, and so she does what she wants without any fucks given as to the collateral damage. In Wu's eyes, as long as she accomplishes what's expected of her and as long as she does so in a way that makes her look like a "hero," then it doesn't matter who she has to step on or hurt. In many regards, she's a natural evolution of Jay Geis, who whilst a terrible person, retained enough awareness to realize he had fucked up to a biblical degree at the end of his saga.

Using both her design decisions in Revolution 60 and her career Mass Effect as a control, one can easily examine Wu's thought processes in action.

In Revolution 60, Minuete is fucking lionized as an excellent commander in the Chessboard Lethologica because she does exactly what she's told and doesn't give a damn if her own people die. In Minuete, Brianna Wu portrays what she feels being a leader is about - leaders have to make hard choices, so you have to be hard to make those choices. Similarly, Holiday is portrayed as a murderous dickhole who can either be have a shred of decency or as cold and brutal as Minuete.

At no point in Revolution 60 are Fifth Column's motivations even countenanced; even the Chessboard Lethologica barely fucking touches on their motivations beyond them being evil clones that want to take over the world. so there. I (and apparently, many others) found myself empathizing with the Fifth Column soldiers more than I gave a shit about Chessboard's operatives; had they succeeded in taking the satellite, Crimson 09 wouldn't have escaped and a missile wouldn't have been fired at China. They are, if you analyze it, the protagonists of the story, since the group went to N313 under false pretenses. But they oppose Holiday and Min, so they're automatically bad guys.

Wu's career path in ME is the same way, and she pretty much goes Renegade all campaign long. She's a dick to people because that's what a leader does. But because the end result is Wu saving the universe, any collateral damage she causes is excusable. Wu committs multiple genocides in her playthrough, killing the Rachni Queen, being responsible for the mass relay destruction that obliterated the Batarians, killed Mordin to prevent the deployment of the Genophage cure (fucking over the Krogans), killed Wrex, and killed the Geth. She's proud of these sacrifices, because in Wu's mindset, how good a leader you are and how dedicated you are to saving the universe henges upon her belief that to be a hero, she has to do things that are suitably hardcore.

Note that she calls Paragon selfish and unethical - when Paragon is the choice that lets you spare all of the above from happening except the Batarian thing (Thanks a fucking bunch, Arrival). It's hardly the first time she's made a statement like this, either:


Wu is shockingly unempathetic, and it's in these tweets and her insistence on Paragon Shep being "evil" that we see the core of how Brianna Wu's warped morality sense works. Wu is not capable of empathizing with other people.

We see acts like Shepard giving others a chance (the Rachni Queen), offering them a chance to redeem themselves (Mordin), or giving them a chance to become better than what they were (Krogan), and appealing to common decency (Quarians and Geth), and we see cases of compassion and decency shine through.

Wu does not understand this. Wu does not understand why Shepard, who has the authority to do anything she wants, doesn't simply do what she wants, because it's what Wu herself would (and has) done with such power. Wu can't understand why someone who has power would willingly not flex it, or flex it in a way that goes contrary to her own goals with the prospect of better if she does.

To Wu, this seems like Paragon Shep cheated. Indeed, it made Paragon Shep, to Wu, look like a monster because Wu can't comprehend the need to compromise or negotiate. To Wu, negotiation is at gunpoint - one side is clearly right, one side clearly wrong, and the only one who can make that determination is Brianna Wu. Wu gets pleasure only from power and from control, so she cannot understand why Shepard would relinquish that.

This paints a picture of Wu that's pretty jarring. Wu is someone who likely had to spend her childhood and indeed, her entire life learning to imitate other people and watching them to allow her to engage in behaviors she would otherwise not be able to, explaining her awkward, abusive, antisocial behavior in college that fucking everyone saw.

Similarly, this gives more insight into how Wu views the world; when she projects, she gives those watching camouflaged clues. She talks about how other people harass, lie, cheat, and hurt others, often as she abhors such behavior, when she herself is just as guilty and one can oft make the argument that she's describing herself with such language.

Wu tells her target's exactly who they are, but she traditionally does so in a way that it's hard for the intended target to respond, and even harder for someone not involved to understand the consequences of her statements. A target might only hear Wu deride them for "mansplaining," but they'll soon have Wu's followers on their ass. Wu almost without exception turns such declarations into pity plays; look at this strong independent female developer putting those mean old mansplainers in the place and taking so much harassment for it. Donate to her Patreon!

All of this connects to the "core" of Brianna Wu's mindset: She believes she's a morally-superior entity. She sees nothing wrong with using people, then discarding them - hell, Giant SpaceKat practically was builton this principle. Not only does Wu not see anything worng with this, she sees herself as morally superior because of it, as we saw with almost everyone in Revolution 60 and her responses in Mass Effect. This is Wu's mindset at its center - an egotistical moral crusader whose mentality is so distant from normalcy that they aren't even on the same page.
 
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SlenderManBearPig dijo:
You might want to have a look at these later for the wiki, its mostly the same shit but Wu makes a new claim that Rev60 was made by a team of 10 people working 80 hour weeks
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10's probably pushing it, but I absolutely believe she made her employees work 80 hours a week.
That's not even counting poor Natalie, who would be working 140-hour weeks if she actually existed XD
 
Peace and Harmony dijo:
@zedkissed60 Have this one at the ready when he buys it anyway. Buying multiple versions of FF7 and not finishing any of them definitely went a long way in helping the plight of African Americans, didn't it John?

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Uh actually you shitlord it did help because by buying multiple copies of a game that stars a differently-abled person of color who is able to overcome his disability through use of a sweet-ass gun arm, Brianna Wu is proving to the marketing boards at SquareEnix that they should make more games with more well-rounded characters like thahahahahahahaha fuck I can't do this
 
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