Brianna Wu / John Flynt - Original Thread

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What are you opinions on GamerGate and Brianna Wu / John Flynt?

  • I am of no opinion towards either.

    Votos: 104 8.6%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, but think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 631 52.1%

  • I am neutral on GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, but still think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 112 9.2%

  • I am ANTI-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 37 3.1%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, and think that Brianna Wu is a bad person.

    Votos: 309 25.5%

  • I am PRO-GamerGate, but still think that and think that Brianna Wu is just trying to get by.

    Votos: 9 0.7%
  • Total de votantes
    1,211
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Blue Max dijo:
You can make a very fine living from unprofitable businesses, and if you don't care about their well-being, there's not really a downside. I have zero doubt that Giant Space Kat is destined for Bankruptcy, possibly as soon as the people on Patreon try to demand their money back. But until they do, the revenues will keep it running.
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If you donate money in return for nothing, you're not entitled to it back.
 
IJustWantToSeeAttachments dijo:
In actuality, she started at -400,000
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Au contraire. "Brianna W. Flynt" started at 0 (having burned all her prior bridges), then married Frank and pulled in a cool $400,000 which she spent on her hobby of roleplaying as a game developer. And then on top of that she made another hundred grand of sales, which went to more of the same. All that matters for the sake of her accounting is that she got to spend half a million on whatever the hell she wanted.
 
AnOminous dijo:
If you donate money in return for nothing, you're not entitled to it back.
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This is true.

However, if you make a donation that was solicited under bogus terms--such as producing a game while there is no effort being made to make it, and you would not have made that donation as a result of that deception, you could try to get it back. Charity Fraud is fraud, pure and simple.

I'm not sure how many or to what degree people can demand their money back here. Certainly, if they were told "You're going to donate and I don't have to do anything", Wu keeps the money. If this is NOT the case and deliverables are not honored, that starts to look bad.

The truth is, a donor asking for their money back because they feel cheated is not a good development for Wu. Even if there is no legal recourse for the donors, this will poison a very important well for Wu--her ability to fundraise. If they have a legal means to demand a refund of their donations--because the terms they agreed to weren't honored--that could get ugly for Wu, since many of the donors might well sign on that demand.

And if enough people demand their money back, and they have a right to get it back, that could be it for GSK.
 
Blue Max dijo:
However, if you make a donation that was solicited under bogus terms--such as producing a game while there is no effort being made to make it, and you would not have made that donation as a result of that deception, you could try to get it back. Charity Fraud is fraud, pure and simple.
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I don't think the R60 situation quiiiite rises to the level of fraud. There is apparently a prototype PC build with the new "Typing of the Dead" features, which Wu could point to as proof that she's been doing something, however slowly.
 
Blue Max dijo:
And if enough people demand their money back, and they have a right to get it back, that could be it for GSK.
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There are two things wrong with this assumption:
  1. Patreon has no requirements for actually accomplishing anything. It's not like Kickstarter where a product is being generated, the person running the page is the product. Anything they may create with those donations is considered extra.
  2. Brianna has been very clear that the money is paying for a "harassment officer" and not for her developing a game, so as long as that money is going to some nebulous employee she's met all the terms that she herself has set.
 
Call me when they add Autistic and A-Log as feedback options.

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Her Patreons backers started dropping again.

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And that's like a $50 drop too. One of her larger backers possibly left.
 
Smutley dijo:
There are two things wrong with this assumption:
  1. Patreon has no requirements for actually accomplishing anything. It's not like Kickstarter where a product is being generated, the person running the page is the product. Anything they may create with those donations is considered extra.
  2. Brianna has been very clear that the money is paying for a "harassment officer" and not for her developing a game, so as long as that money is going to some nebulous employee she's met all the terms that she herself has set.
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This.

It's remotely possible you could actually show a Patreon to be fraudulent in some legally actionable way. For instance, the person isn't even who they say they are, or they clearly, from the very outset, had no intention other than just skipping with the money.

It's generally, though, pure no-strings-attached, and establishes no contract between the recipient and the donor.

I suppose donors could play games with shit like reversing credit card transactions and so on, to the extent the card company went along with that, but there's not much way to claw back these donations otherwise. We may strongly suspect that Wu has no intention of ever releasing this game on Steam, but there's no solid proof that it was a scam from the outset rather than just an incompetently bungled project.
 
Chan the Wizard dijo:
Poor Natalie. I hope she's able to afford rent and health insurance. After working with John Flynt, I'm sure she'll need therapy and it's expensive.
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With a kid or two and making $34,000 annual, I doubt she can afford good insurance. And that money pile, as just discussed, is only shrinking.

It still brings a smile to my face that even with her absolute dedication to professional victimhood, Brianna is making about as much as an administrative assistant. If she had any idea of what the professional world is actually like, she'd be raging nonstop.
 
So Wu's putting out the "won't ship until it's perfect" excuse to perpetually delay Rev 60. Again.

You aren't Valve, Wu. People aren't buying it.
 
SlenderManBearPig dijo:
Revolution60 update - The games totally finished guys! Like 9 months ago even! Except for the graphics.

[MEDIA=twitter]661580724642926592[/MEDIA]https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/661580724642926592

[MEDIA=twitter]661581093221613568[/MEDIA]https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/661587784814231552

[MEDIA=twitter]661587784814231552[/MEDIA][MEDIA=twitter]661588534881579008[/MEDIA]https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/661588534881579008

Also a new selfie:

[MEDIA=twitter]661593922670567424[/MEDIA]https://tweetsave.com/spacekatgal/status/661593922670567424
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Actually, I think the most common complaint about the game is that it's a poorly optimized wreck that stutters along with its poor frame rate and occasionally threatens to crash. One of the kiwis who have played it could correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way, it doesn't take a year to fix backgrounds, Wu. Maybe you would know that if you actually took a moment to talk to a person in tech (vagina optional) instead of flying all over the country to shamelessly attention whore, you would know that.
 
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