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Is Bojack a furry?

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LazarusOwenhart dijo:
The whole thing with Pickles and PB is that they're both vacuous, self centered people who don't actually put a lot of meaning on intimacy or fidelity. A boyfriend/girlfriend is a thing you have but that doesn't mean you have to respect it anymore than your other transitional possessions. PB overcompensates because he's aware on some level that he's incapable of forming meaningful relationships but can't work out why. He puts the right amount of kindness coins into the girlfriend machine but happiness doesn't seem to come out. Pickles first response to getting cheated on is to decide she needs to ride miles of dick in order to get 'even' and PB is so keen to make her happy that he doesn't see a problem with it. The message I take from that is that actually, some people are just fucked up, and they live how they choose to live, and a lot of those people don't deserve the lifestyle and wealth they have but they have it anyway, and can be happy through things that make most people mad, so get over it, people like that will always exist.
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I thought the whole cuck to get even thing was PB's idea and he talked pickles into it
 
Angel Dust dijo:
I thought the whole cuck to get even thing was PB's idea and he talked pickles into it
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Yeah but she was entirely on board with it, almost from the get go. Any rational person would have refused. She thinks about it for like, a nanosecond then just starts riding them cocks. I take this to be proof it's what she wanted all along.
 
I feel like they ended things on a pretty perfect note. Bojack loses a lot of people in his life but also keeps some. He's not completely miserable, hell I feel that the direction they were alluding to sounds pretty positive for him. He receives punishment for his actions but that's not to say that he doesn't have every opportunity to keep getting better. Life is a lot like that sometimes and sometimes there's not 100% closure. You can only keep moving forward to see what's ahead.

For a show that started out with a silly asshole cartoon horse, that's really profound.
 
LazarusOwenhart dijo:
The whole thing with Pickles and PB is that they're both vacuous, self centered people who don't actually put a lot of meaning on intimacy or fidelity. A boyfriend/girlfriend is a thing you have but that doesn't mean you have to respect it anymore than your other transitional possessions. PB overcompensates because he's aware on some level that he's incapable of forming meaningful relationships but can't work out why. He puts the right amount of kindness coins into the girlfriend machine but happiness doesn't seem to come out. Pickles first response to getting cheated on is to decide she needs to ride miles of dick in order to get 'even' and PB is so keen to make her happy that he doesn't see a problem with it. The message I take from that is that actually, some people are just fucked up, and they live how they choose to live, and a lot of those people don't deserve the lifestyle and wealth they have but they have it anyway, and can be happy through things that make most people mad, so get over it, people like that will always exist.
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That kinda seems like something Diane has had to come to terms with as well.
The entire show she has been trying to "take down" people who wronged her or others in someway. The book about her trying to talk about her past and her father and her reluctance to writing it which ultimately evolved into writing a children's book series seems to reflect that. And also what she said during the last scene.

"Sometimes life is shitty, and you keep on living."

But yeah, last few episodes were quite the ride.

It was heartbreaking seeing Bojack getting exposed, losing Hollyhawk and relapsing. Still, I did like the overall message they were giving in the final episode. Accept that everything you were and will become is a part of you, and that no matter what happens, you keep on living.

I honestly can't think of any other way to end the show that would have been appropriate.
 
Just got done watching it, and yeah, it was great.

Broke my heart at times, made me laugh at times, and ended on a bit of a hopeful note.

The penultimate episode was the best episode of the season. They really had me there at the end.

Also, Bojack losing Hollyhock forever legit hurt. Thank God they never read the letter out loud because I don't know if I would have been able to handle it.
 
So I'm watching the second half of the final season now, remind me again (because it's been months since I've seen the show)... Why is Dianne a fatass now?
It's because of the anti-depressants, right?
 
I feel like the second part of season 6 is just a big nothing burguer just to be able to say: thats life amiright
Other than bojack making some peace with the dead and the final episode the rest of the season amounts to jack shit
 
"Life's a bitch and then you die, right?"
"Sometimes. Sometimes life's a bitch and then you keep living."

every bojack episode drop would lead me to relapsing, but i didnt this time. i kind of wanna stay sober for a while now
 
UnKillFill dijo:
So I'm watching the second half of the final season now, remind me again (because it's been months since I've seen the show)... Why is Dianne a fatass now?
It's because of the anti-depressants, right?
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She mentioned having weight issues back in high school, so perhaps being on meds caused her to get her appetite back.
 
With the exception of Bojack, who is still going to have to deal with his issues going forward, I kind of like where all the main characters ended up.

Mr. Peanutbutter is a successful actor on a hit show and he seems to have finally found the ability to be content with being single and not worry about being a people pleaser.

Todd has a girlfriend, a place of his own, a repaired relationship with his mom and stepfather, and even appears to have mended the bridge with Bojack.

Diane has found happiness with a new husband and a new life, and success as an author of a series of children's books. It felt like before she was spiteful and wanted to use her writings to take down people she held a grudge against (like her family) but she's finally overcome her issues, taken control of her life, and found a way to use her talents to make people happy. She is also able to be cordial and comfortable with her ex-husband. She'll probably never see or speak to Bojack again after the events of the final episode, but they both seem content with with that are at least thankful for their experiences with each other. (And Thank God they didn't start making out or holding hands or some shit before the fade to black).

And Princess Carolyn, my favorite character, is a mom, and found a way to literally marry her job, and is happy and successful. She's overcome her need to constantly help Bojack (the scene where she admits that Bojack is the love of her life and that she wants to give him a happy ending that she can tell her daughter about is one of my favorite scenes of this batch of episodes), and is happy with her life.

So its nice that the people in Bojack's inner circle got at least a chance at a happy ending when it was all said and done, and most of them seem okay to have Bojack in their lives (if not constantly).

Like I said, it isn't all peaches and cream and we don't get answers to everything.

Hollyhock severing her relationship with Bojack was my biggest heart breaker of the season. I knew it was coming, but that didn't make it any easier to accept, and them ending the show without any chance of that relationship being repaired hurt even more. I know some people speculated that her letter to Bojack was actually a suicide letter, but I doubt that is the case given that Hollyhock wasn't at Bojack's death party in the penultimate episode. If she's not going to have Bojack in her life anymore, it'd be nice to know if there was some indicator that she would at least be okay, but Bojack doesn't know for sure, therefore, we don't know.

We know that Bojack had a profound negative impact on Gina, and I was shocked that the truth behind the choking incident didn't come out when everything else was coming out about Bojack, but we know from a billboard that she got the part in that superhero movie, so hopefully that means she's okay.

And then there is Bojack himself who still has issues to deal with. He's been punished for his actions, but he even said that once he gets out of prison, he's worried he will fall back into the same pattern of self destructive behavior that he always does. Still, I waited for him to do something to ruin Princess Carolyn's wedding reception, and he didn't. And he at least got to have one last conversation with Diane where she tells him everything is going to be okay, and he seems to believe it, so there is hope for him.

This show is a rare case where it made me feel just about every emotion you possibly can feel, including hating myself for wanting to watch the train wreck unfold, but this last batch of episodes made me feel anxious and uneasy, and then ended on kind of a peaceful and hopeful note, so I'm fine with it.
 
RumblyTumbly dijo:
With the exception of Bojack, who is still going to have to deal with his issues going forward, I kind of like where all the main characters ended up.

Mr. Peanutbutter is a successful actor on a hit show and he seems to have finally found the ability to be content with being single and not worry about being a people pleaser.

Todd has a girlfriend, a place of his own, a repaired relationship with his mom and stepfather, and even appears to have mended the bridge with Bojack.

Diane has found happiness with a new husband and a new life, and success as an author of a series of children's books. It felt like before she was spiteful and wanted to use her writings to take down people she held a grudge against (like her family) but she's finally overcome her issues, taken control of her life, and found a way to use her talents to make people happy. She is also able to be cordial and comfortable with her ex-husband. She'll probably never see or speak to Bojack again after the events of the final episode, but they both seem content with with that are at least thankful for their experiences with each other. (And Thank God they didn't start making out or holding hands or some shit before the fade to black).

And Princess Carolyn, my favorite character, is a mom, and found a way to literally marry her job, and is happy and successful. She's overcome her need to constantly help Bojack (the scene where she admits that Bojack is the love of her life and that she wants to give him a happy ending that she can tell her daughter about is one of my favorite scenes of this batch of episodes), and is happy with her life.

So its nice that the people in Bojack's inner circle got at least a chance at a happy ending when it was all said and done, and most of them seem okay to have Bojack in their lives (if not constantly).

Like I said, it isn't all peaches and cream and we don't get answers to everything.

Hollyhock severing her relationship with Bojack was my biggest heart breaker of the season. I knew it was coming, but that didn't make it any easier to accept, and them ending the show without any chance of that relationship being repaired hurt even more. I know some people speculated that her letter to Bojack was actually a suicide letter, but I doubt that is the case given that Hollyhock wasn't at Bojack's death party in the penultimate episode. If she's not going to have Bojack in her life anymore, it'd be nice to know if there was some indicator that she would at least be okay, but Bojack doesn't know for sure, therefore, we don't know.

We know that Bojack had a profound negative impact on Gina, and I was shocked that the truth behind the choking incident didn't come out when everything else was coming out about Bojack, but we know from a billboard that she got the part in that superhero movie, so hopefully that means she's okay.

And then there is Bojack himself who still has issues to deal with. He's been punished for his actions, but he even said that once he gets out of prison, he's worried he will fall back into the same pattern of self destructive behavior that he always does. Still, I waited for him to do something to ruin Princess Carolyn's wedding reception, and he didn't. And he at least got to have one last conversation with Diane where she tells him everything is going to be okay, and he seems to believe it, so there is hope for him.

This show is a rare case where it made me feel just about every emotion you possibly can feel, including hating myself for wanting to watch the train wreck unfold, but this last batch of episodes made me feel anxious and uneasy, and then ended on kind of a peaceful and hopeful note, so I'm fine with it.
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My biggest problem is that it seemed to want to do more with hollyhock and penny/charlotte but then they get dropped from the face of the earth
im also mad that nobody calls out todd for being just as shitty as bojack but he gets a free pass because muh asexuality
And you do get to see hollyhock in episode 15, in the form of the flowers that block the exit near the end
 
the autist of dojima dijo:
My biggest problem is that it seemed to want to do more with hollyhock and penny/charlotte but then they get dropped from the face of the earth
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I feel like the damage was done in regards to Penny/Charlotte. Once Bojack was brought to his lowest point, their role in the story was over by then.

im also mad that nobody calls out todd for being just as shitty as bojack but he gets a free pass because muh asexuality
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See I never felt like Todd was as bad as Bojack. He's a stoner, an idiot, and a lazy bump on a log, sure, but how many people did he actually hurt throughout the series? And the damaged relationships he did have were repaired by the end of the series.

I mean if I were to put up a white board of all the bad things Todd did, like Season 6 does for Bojack, I'd struggle to fill it up like Bojack's was.

And you do get to see hollyhock in episode 15, in the form of the flowers that block the exit near the end
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Uh...um...uh oh. Yeah, I didn't catch that....fuck.
 
So I watched the last half season (didn't see the previous season and a half but didn't feel like I missed anything of note, though the whole Diane dating a literal bull after PB is pretty on the nose). It really reminded me why I loved and hated the show. The characters are great and likable with a lot of humanity to them and the comedy is spot on, but it never really advances in the storytelling and a lot of the social criticism is tacked on (the whole sexism angle and accusation of groomings ignores the fact that Bojack's main problem is that he refuses to grow up so he seeks being near young people, it is also doubly ridiculous considering the show portrayes Carolyn's and Judah's connection as heartwarming when it is a literal example of a relationship with a power imbalance).
Also did they try to make the Unicorn film an allusion to Joker? It seemed they wanted to build the "alt right incel" angle only to quickly abandon it. Also also the second interview felt pretty contrived just to have the regular upps and lows of the series.

As for the ending proper, I think the writers should have killed Bojack. But instead they decided to play it both ways by having a death episode and a twist survival episode immediately afterwards. The resulting ending feels lackluster, life goes on and nothing really changed from the beginning of the show (wonder what happened to the plot point of the burned contract page?). Yeah it's a "realistic" scenario but the show likes to pick and choose when crazy stuff happens so a non-ending feels just anti climatic.
 
wtfNeedSignUp dijo:
So I watched the last half season (didn't see the previous season and a half but didn't feel like I missed anything of note, though the whole Diane dating a literal bull after PB is pretty on the nose). It really reminded me why I loved and hated the show. The characters are great and likable with a lot of humanity to them and the comedy is spot on, but it never really advances in the storytelling and a lot of the social criticism is tacked on (the whole sexism angle and accusation of groomings ignores the fact that Bojack's main problem is that he refuses to grow up so he seeks being near young people, it is also doubly ridiculous considering the show portrayes Carolyn's and Judah's connection as heartwarming when it is a literal example of a relationship with a power imbalance).
Also did they try to make the Unicorn film an allusion to Joker? It seemed they wanted to build the "alt right incel" angle only to quickly abandon it. Also also the second interview felt pretty contrived just to have the regular upps and lows of the series.

As for the ending proper, I think the writers should have killed Bojack. But instead they decided to play it both ways by having a death episode and a twist survival episode immediately afterwards. The resulting ending feels lackluster, life goes on and nothing really changed from the beginning of the show (wonder what happened to the plot point of the burned contract page?). Yeah it's a "realistic" scenario but the show likes to pick and choose when crazy stuff happens so a non-ending feels just anti climatic.
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The messages the show provides honestly do seem rather muddled looking back. Looking back, I could never really tell how often their observations of Hollywood culture and politics are ironic for the sake of a joke or they actually do believe what they're saying.

I recall reading somewhere (might be on here) that one of the showrunners commented on the #MeToo situation back when it was new and talked about being regretful they were over making fun of stuff like that in past seasons. Meanwhile, in the episode where Todd's sex robot got #MeToo'd they commented about how they "helped" the women in that company while also stating that they all lost their jobs.

I don't know, doesn't really sound like you're all for that kind of thing if you need to mention that little detail. Could be just one of them running their mouth or lack of communication between the staff though.

One could argue that second interview is just the lady taking advantage of Bojack's situation and using popular talking points to turn people against him. This is the same woman who helped cover up Bojack chocking that other girl. Either way though, Bojack chose to do that second interview. His overconfidence led to him revealing that he was lying about a lot of things.

I don't know, it's hard for me to say without really understanding the thought processes of the people who made the show. There is truth to a lot of what they say, but in a show that tries to tackle nuance when it comes to people like Bojack, showing your political bias sort of undermines that whole message.
 
Overcast dijo:
The messages the show provides honestly do seem rather muddled looking back. Looking back, I could never really tell how often their observations of Hollywood culture and politics are ironic for the sake of a joke or they actually do believe what they're saying.

I recall reading somewhere (might be on here) that one of the showrunners commented on the #MeToo situation back when it was new and talked about being regretful they were over making fun of stuff like that in past seasons. Meanwhile, in the episode where Todd's sex robot got #MeToo'd they commented about how they "helped" the women in that company while also stating that they all lost their jobs.

I don't know, doesn't really sound like you're all for that kind of thing if you need to mention that little detail. Could be just one of them running their mouth or lack of communication between the staff though.

One could argue that second interview is just the lady taking advantage of Bojack's situation and using popular talking points to turn people against him. This is the same woman who helped cover up Bojack chocking that other girl. Either way though, Bojack chose to do that second interview. His overconfidence led to him revealing that he was lying about a lot of things.

I don't know, it's hard for me to say without really understanding the thought processes of the people who made the show. There is truth to a lot of what they say, but in a show that tries to tackle nuance when it comes to people like Bojack, showing your political bias sort of undermines that whole message.
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How I see it, the original message of the show was about moving forward. Bojack is a has-been that always wanted to return to the golden times where he was famous and everything was simpler and straightforward. That's why making him a sitcom actor was genius, since the whole "genre" is based around a permanent status quo where nothing changes.

But then as the seasons progressed the writers had to justify why Bojack can't move forward despite his attempts and here things went for the worse. The new idea was to portray Bojack a toxic person who's influence ruins the people surrounding him, but this isn't how reality works. An adult is repsonsible for his actions, so people cutting ties with Bojack because he is to blame for them not progressing in life is simply childish. Bojack himself appears more cursed than toxic where some of the events he was part in seem more contrived than a direct responsibility of his own.

In the end, the show became about how you can't escape from your past despite how hard you try to make a change. That runs contrary to the original message and just makes it all seem pointless - Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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