Bojack Horseman - The best animated show on Netflix

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Is Bojack a furry?

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y'know, with all the harvey weinstein stuff going on, i wouldnt be shocked if they have something like that happen in the show
especially with what happened near the end of season 2
The episode they had with a hippo that was more or less a reference to the Bill Cosby scandal could be brought out again with a follow-up. And considering how Bojack is a sort of satire of Hollywood, a reference to Weinstein and other Hollywood sexpest is something the show is likely to shed light on.
 
To sum it up: Diane brings to light a scandal involving the Hippo and his assistants. Diane however gets hated by people for accusing the Hippo. The episode was Hank After Dark iirc.
alright. rewatched the episdoe. yeah i can see that being brought up again now that i think about it.
 
Watched season 3 and just started Season 4.

Never thought a show about a anthropomorphic horse and his stoner roommate could be so depressing.

I like the little teaser that he may have some estranged daughter at season3's finale though. Also I'm glad to see Princess Caroline found someone. Knowing this show though, I'm not sure how long it'll last.
 
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I'm really trying to get into bojack horseman but I might as well be one of the few people who never really liked dramatic things. I can enjoy them but it's boring when it's nothing then a tragedy that would most likely end with the character dying. Not saying that would happen to bojack but it could.
 
I enjoy the show greatly, despite its heavy pushing of liberal themes. However, I found Season 4 way too edgily nihilistic\preachy, e.g. Diane\PB whinging in the finale. Still enjoyed it though.
 
I could have done without the heavy feminist shit. But other than that, a very solid season. Not my favorite out of all of them but I like how dark shit got towards the end. The emotional moments still have a big punch to them. It looks like the show is reaching its conclusion soon. Maybe by next season or possibly after that. After the way this one ended, I'm really interested to see where it goes.
 
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I dropped it after season 2 when it got obnoxiously preachy for my tastes.
 
I enjoy the fact that this show is quite self aware. It knows the premise of animal people is stupid and it plays up to that hard. I also like the fact that the characters are changing and imperfect. Happy upbeat Dianne of season 1 becomes depressed shitty Dianne of season 4. The fact that she's a cunt in season 4 is a reflection of the fact that she's in an actual failing marriage rather than in the kind of marriage that's usually depicted on TV where they hate each other and are both shitty people but they always get back together at the end of each episode.
 
I am about halfway through season 5. I just got through the funeral episode (which I admit to loving). The preachy attitude of the feminist episode was annoying, though the second Bojack announced his feminism I knew his antics in Season 3 would be brought up because, you know, it's always the same with all male feminists. Does the preachiness leave off after that?
 
I am about halfway through season 5. I just got through the funeral episode (which I admit to loving). The preachy attitude of the feminist episode was annoying, though the second Bojack announced his feminism I knew his antics in Season 3 would be brought up because, you know, it's always the same with all male feminists. Does the preachiness leave off after that?

I'd say it does. The rest of the season mostly relates to confronting Bojack's shitty past actions but more to shine a light on them and call them out than some preachy respecc waman kind of way. This season is VERY meta but I don't think the intention is to preach so much as to warn and push shady actions into a better direction. I dunno.
 
I am about halfway through season 5. I just got through the funeral episode (which I admit to loving). The preachy attitude of the feminist episode was annoying, though the second Bojack announced his feminism I knew his antics in Season 3 would be brought up because, you know, it's always the same with all male feminists. Does the preachiness leave off after that?
They're not preaching about feminism. They're criticizing the people who take feminism and turn it into some sort of fashion statement with the whole "Hey guyz look at me I'm a feminist now!" and how that devalues people who are just asking for women and men to be treated equally. The 'preachiness' is all from characters who are doing that exact thing.
 
They're not preaching about feminism. They're criticizing the people who take feminism and turn it into some sort of fashion statement with the whole "Hey guyz look at me I'm a feminist now!" and how that devalues people who are just asking for women and men to be treated equally. The 'preachiness' is all from characters who are doing that exact thing.

But isn't that what feminism is, now? Just utterly vacuous virtue signalling?
 
I'd say it does. The rest of the season mostly relates to confronting Bojack's shitty past actions but more to shine a light on them and call them out than some preachy respecc waman kind of way. This season is VERY meta but I don't think the intention is to preach so much as to warn and push shady actions into a better direction. I dunno.
They're not preaching about feminism. They're criticizing the people who take feminism and turn it into some sort of fashion statement with the whole "Hey guyz look at me I'm a feminist now!" and how that devalues people who are just asking for women and men to be treated equally. The 'preachiness' is all from characters who are doing that exact thing.
I agree with you both on these fronts, though at the same time season 5 also feels a tad... directionless? For lack of a better word? I'm having trouble putting my finger on it, but it seems like thematically this season was juggling a lot of interesting ideas/concepts that they wanted to explore, but either didn't quite come together or contradicted previous points.

For instance, it was pretty clear that as soon as the Male Feminist™ elements came up that they were going to tackle #MeToo and Bojack's misdeeds - Hell there's even a few jabs at the useless band-aids that Hollywood types throw on these issues like giving randys useless "consultant" positions or the Forgivee awards - but it doesn't seem like the most the show actually has to say about these issues is that they exist. And it's definitely not for a lack of material, the season certainly raises some interesting questions about the matters, but this season didn't feel like it explores those questions as deeply as previous ones have. The end result just leaves the question of "why do people, particularly women, defend or enable despicable people in the industry" only half answered at best, and even then the answers it does give seem kinda half-assed.

Then there was the premiere where it seems like they decided they were trying to preemptively cut off the possibility of receiving an influx of Rick and Morty Intellectuals with the premiere episode. Everything Diane says seems to be direct commentary about Bojack the show and the fan reaction to it but it comes off as more hypocritical and preachy than presenting any real insight. The combined scenes of Diane giving a lecture about "media normalizing bad behavior" and later wanting to cancel the premiere because "assholes will use it to justify their behavior" made me ask aloud "Well then why the fuck did you make a show like Bojack Horseman?"

There was also something kinda off about how the whole strangulation thing is tackled. It seems like the writers wanted to make a point about accountability with how they parallel Bojack with Vance Waggoner in how he goes from "Don't choke women" to attempting to strangle his co-star near the end of the season, but that's kinda where the parallel's end. One thing I always kinda admired about Bojack that I sometimes found to be missing from similar shows coughRick&Mortycough is that it often didn't pull any punches when examining the terrible things that Bojack does and the fallout from them, and Todd's "It's you" scene is still probably my favorite moment of the entire series, but I didn't get that from what has to be the darkest moment of the season - maybe even the whole show. There isn't really time given to show the consequences of these actions compared to scenes like Sarah Lynn's overdose or Penny being scarred by Bojack or his betrayel of Herb, and Gina's interview scene kinda detracts from one of the major points I really liked about the show: suddenly, it's now no longer Bojack's fault that his actions aren't coming to the public light because Gina, the victim, doesn't want such a scandal to overshadow her career. Which might've been an interesting topic to explore - a lot of starlets do keep quiet about these sorts of things if it means climbing the social ladder - but we aren't even given time to explore that since Gina's career seems to be cut short by Philbert getting cancelled anyways. And even when Bojack wants to be held culpable he gets rather uncharacteristically blocked by Diane, whose only reasons for not doing so seem to be that she thinks her being an accomplice in Mr. Peanutbutter cheating on his girlfriend and Bojack assaulting a woman are somehow on equal grounds.

Even the bits about workplace harassment seem kinda confused. The whole arc about Todd's sex robot being made a CEO ends with it turning into a scandal when it inevitably comes on to a female employee, but then undermines itself when one moment it takes a shot at people who criticize #MeToo for generating unnecessary witch-hunts as being a defense of real harassment... while simultaneously having the whole punchline for that plot being that everyone's too stupid to realize that they're dealing with a robot that can only spew out per-programmed catch phrases, and then goes a step further by making it a joke about how the scandal coming to light damaged more women than it helped by putting them out of work. If they were trying to be nuanced, it didn't really come through.

I dunno, maybe I just need to sleep on it and I'll warm up to the season later; but there was something about the commentary and thematic writing that left a bad taste in my mouth.
 
But isn't that what feminism is, now? Just utterly vacuous virtue signalling?
That's certainly what the label is applied to. It's like every other worthy cause though, the real, sensible, thinking people who are deeply affected by the thing in question are drowned out and lost in a sea of screaming lunatics that want their own tiny slice of exposure. The #MeToo tag is such a wonderful double meaning.
 
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