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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...ount-devoted-to-destroying-rideshare-scooters
There's an Entire Instagram Account Devoted to Destroying Rideshare Scooters

The account Bird Graveyard features footage of the scooters getting burned, thrown off buildings, pooped on, and tossed into the ocean.

A few months back, Sinan, a 25-year-old artist and bike messenger in Atlanta, saw a Bird scooter at a train station in the city. “I was feeling some sort of way, and there's a balcony, so I picked it up and dropped the Bird off it.”

Sinan, who has asked that I not include his last name for fear of legal repercussions, told me he did this because “they're just counterproductive to public transit, and they’re not being used for the right reasons by the right people.”

“I mean you get these douchebags who show up at the skatepark with these Birds,” he added. The video now lives on the Instagram page of Bird Graveyard, an account that shares images and videos of neglected, destroyed, drowned and even immolated dockless rental scooters.

If you don’t live in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Austin, Atlanta or the handful of other cities where Birds dot the streets, you might be unfamiliar with the scooters. Founded in 2017 by Travis VanderZanden, a former executive at Lyft and Uber, the electric Bird scooters can be located and unlocked with the company app. Once the user is on the move, they’re charged 15 cents per minute to ride. Unlike rideshare bikes, there are no docking stations, so a Bird can be discarded as soon as the rider has reached their destination. (Full disclosure: Bird subleases their Los Angeles office space from VICE.)

It’s been a big success out West. At the end of June, Bird Rides Inc. was reportedly valued at $2 billion. According to Bird, by February of this year, 50,000 people had taken 250,000 rides on their scooters in Santa Monica. Now other scooter companies have followed their lead, with Spin and the Uber-backed LimeBike sharing space on the streets with Bird.

The popularity is arguably a reflection of Bird’s, quite frankly, pretty good business idea. The scooters are an ostensibly good concept: They could alleviate traffic, cut down on pollution and—in a city like LA, where the skeletal public transport system is considerably underused—serve as a “last mile” option to cover the non-walkable distance between the nearest train station and your office/apartment/hot yoga class.

Yet as is often the case with tech companies, massive financial clout and an ostensibly good idea doesn’t equate to people not thinking your product or app or child-size submarine isn’t a giant pile of unwelcome garbage. And in cities where the scooter companies operate—many of which have faced social and economic shifts thanks to the relentless growth of tech corporations—people like Sinan are turning against the scooters.

Since its founding in June, Bird Graveyard has displayed user submitted photos and videos of (mostly Bird) scooters in trash cans, on fire, in tangled piles, covered in shit, and rusting at the bottom of the Venice Canals.

I reached out to the admins of the account to request an interview, but they would only answer questions via email, and wouldn’t give me their names due to legal concerns.

“At what point can somebody abandon property and expect it to be respected by the public?” they said by email, referring to the scooter company’s habit of launching their product in cities without fully consulting city officials first—a practice that saw Bird pulled from the streets of Louisville within 36 hours of showing up. “[Their business] depends on the community doing free labor for them. Even if that labor is extremely insignificant, like moving scooters from your yard.”

n a recent VICE News feature on the legal complexities of dockless scooters, Euwyn Poon, Co-Founder of Spin, described the company’s strategy of launching without consulting city officials as “innovating on the regulatory side.”

I reached out to Bird to see if they could enlighten us on the legal ramifications of destroying a product that has been, if not abandoned, then left-without-warning by its owner, and a Bird spokesperson replied with this comment:

"Vandalism of all types of property is a problem that should not be tolerated by communities or local law enforcement. We do not support the vandalism or destruction of any property and are disappointed when it takes place. Nor do we support the encouragement, celebration or normalization of this behavior. Bird encourages people in communities to report incidents of vandalism to Birds, and irresponsible behavior on Birds, to local authorities and to the company. We investigate all reports directed to Bird and take appropriate measures, including removing people from the Bird platform."

This emphasis on community responsibility was reiterated via email by Mary Caroline Pruitt, Lime Spokeswoman. “Our big picture for shared scooters and bikes is to create a culture, together with the community, where people view scooter and bike sharing as their own, and by creating that culture, we believe that responsible parking and respectful use will become a natural habit,” she wrote.

As evidenced by the fact that many scooters have been dumped, as trash, into oceans and waterways, the perceived burden Bird foists on communities isn't the only reason people submit to Bird Graveyard.

“Smashing scooters is just funny,” the account admins wrote to me. “It’s amusing when people come to the page and do not get why it’s funny. If you can’t laugh at a rideshare scooter being lit on fire at a house party, that’s a problem with you. There’s nothing in the Constitution that says we all have to respect and love brands.”

https://www.instagram.com/birdgraveyard/?hl=en


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You haven't been near Парк Горького on a weekend recently have you?

Sidewalks (and the park) is lousy with these things. There's an entire rental shop set up right across from the main entrance.

Unless you're in moscow idaho, in which case, lol

Our city law forbids riding these power scooters on sidewalks, but people do it anyway.

Some dude on a Bird scooter got hit by a truck downtown last month, in fact, and he's planning to sue Bird and the parking garage where he got hit.
 
I will never understand America’s massive aversion to anything to do with public transportation.
What I notice about people going to the same place as me is that I hate them and they hate me. Even though we're going to the same place at the same time, it would be better if we did it in separate ways/vehicles.
 
You are wildly underestimating the mischievousness of shithead kids.
Heh, oh no, I know shithead kids. (Some ten year olds busted out a bolt cutter to try to steal my bike once. Well, and all the squeegee kids.)

At least here, all the waterfront is filled with rich white people who would yell at the kids and tell them to fuck off if they saw one of them dragging a loudly beeping scooter down to the harbor. That's pretty much the only thing that'd keep them from doing it.
Last time i read about these scooters it was stated that they make money the same way twitter 'makes' money i.e. being funded by venture capitalists hoping that one day they will be able to squeeze out a profit. Has this changed?
Here's a good discussion of their business. They can make profit, but it's kind of shaky. But the business model can easily be tweaked to improve that.
Forgive me for being a bit dim here, but if there aren't any docking stations how are these scooters charged up? I don't imagine that leaving them in a ditch on the side of the road will do anything.
They pay people (usually bums) $25 per scooter to gather them up and bring them to the charging stations at night. It works pretty well.
I will never understand America’s massive aversion to anything to do with public transportation.
Ain't raising my taxes! Also our cities were designed around cars for a long time. It'll take awhile to reverse that.

They were going to put another subway line in my city, but they axed that plan in favor of a high speed rail line to DC. We already have a train to DC, it takes an hour, which is reasonable enough.
What a faggot.
 
What I notice about people going to the same place as me is that I hate them and they hate me. Even though we're going to the same place at the same time, it would be better if we did it in separate ways/vehicles.


It’s so inefficient though, as someone who’s lived in a country with sprawling public transportation. The problem isn’t even infrastructure, it seems, because people in America hate the idea of public transportation every time it gets proposed. We keep making more and more highway roads that get clogged with more and more traffic. We’re just too rude to each other.
 
It’s so inefficient though, as someone who’s lived in a country with sprawling public transportation. The problem isn’t even infrastructure, it seems, because people in America hate the idea of public transportation every time it gets proposed. We keep making more and more highway roads that get clogged with more and more traffic. We’re just too rude to each other.
They really don't hate the idea that much. In the US, economics are going to be 90% of any given issue.

Like, consider the DC metro. It exists. People complain about it nonstop (for valid reasons much of the time). But everyone still uses it, simply because it exists and the economic component (increased taxes) isn't an issue.

In fact, the reason why it sucks so much is because it's being mismanaged, and economics does play into that.
 
I will never understand America’s massive aversion to anything to do with public transportation.

If you've had to ride public transit in a major US city for any period of time, you'd understand.

It's probably different in other countries, but in the US, public transit is a lightning rod for drug addicts, drunks, aggressive homeless people, and all sorts of mentally ill people who aren't allowed to drive.

It makes for an awkward ride at best and can be threatening or outright dangerous at worst.
 
It’s so inefficient though, as someone who’s lived in a country with sprawling public transportation. The problem isn’t even infrastructure, it seems, because people in America hate the idea of public transportation every time it gets proposed. We keep making more and more highway roads that get clogged with more and more traffic. We’re just too rude to each other.
It is inefficient, I'll give you that, but it's the choice we made as a society. Regarding clogged highway roads, most actually aren't. If you want to travel from city to city, it's pretty much wide open road anywhere you want to go, which is part of the allure; you can go anywhere you want, any time you want in this continental stretch and there's a lot of great things to see & do, with opportunities everywhere. Highways only suck in the stretches within a city, from point A to B within Los Angeles for example.
 
Well, it's illegal. Probably. I'm not sure it's legal for them to be littering public spaces with these fucking things either, though. If anyone's injured by some cuck face beardo in skinny jeans running them down while yelling "HOT PIZZA" I hope the company gets sued. It's negligent entrustment to give these things to any junkie, shoplifter, drunk, or whatever with no supervision at all and then have them rampaging around on it.

That's kind of the thing. It actually isn't a bad idea at it's core. But like any vehicle, there needs to be some rules to insure general safety and a lack of public nuisance. Safe Management of Traffic flows and such is one of the things that even the most loopy Libertarians will concede is a legitimate function of government. Should the 15 mph scooters be allowed on the sidewalks with pedestrian traffic? Do they follow bicycle rules? The cities that have embraced them have started to set some rules, such as the paint off areas to park and pick them up from rather than just allowing the company and customers to dump them everywhere as obstructions to the pedestrian and vehicle right of ways. That simple regulation makes a huge difference. I was at oneof the major Atlanta hospitals last week. The sidewalk leading to the Emergency Room was littered with well over a dozen of these things. It was like an obstacle course, being run by elderly people with canes, walkers and wheelchairs. A huge number of them had just been dumped over a fence into a church cemetery. Just to get them out of the way.

And that's the core of it. New Transportation ideas are welcome. But some thought must be given to how it integrates into the existing infrastructure and avoids becoming a hazard.

Destroying them is unimaginative. Real ingenuity would be grabbing as many as possible, chopping them up and stripping the electronics, then selling it to a junkyard. It's free money*

*Granted that would be stealing but the company seems like it doesn't give any shits about this whole situation.

Some people have taken to collecting them and turning them into impressive examples of urban art.
 
It is inefficient, I'll give you that, but it's the choice we made as a society. Regarding clogged highway roads, most actually aren't. If you want to travel from city to city, it's pretty much wide open road anywhere you want to go, which is part of the allure; you can go anywhere you want, any time you want in this continental stretch and there's a lot of great things to see & do, with opportunities everywhere. Highways only suck in the stretches within a city, from point A to B within Los Angeles for example.

Yeah, they’re not inherently bad. I was thinking of a situation like this:

http://cityobservatory.org/reducing-congestion-katy-didnt/
 
Last time i read about these scooters it was stated that they make money the same way twitter 'makes' money i.e. being funded by venture capitalists hoping that one day they will be able to squeeze out a profit. Has this changed?

If so that describes about 99% of shitty "disruptive" startups (i.e. assholes who just break the law) started by Silicon Valley douchebros.
 
And the city they never consulted has to pay to clean up the mess..... it's not the idea that's the problem, it's the implementation.

I don't hate Uber as a concept or a service, but I hate the fact that I find Uber drivers blocking my driveway, parking in my workplace and getting in the way of our trucks, and total strangers trying to get into my car late at night at stoplights, despite the fact I have no "Uber" sign and am clearly driving a car too old to qualify as an Uber vehicle........ and the fact they all blame ME when I complain.

I don't hate community-share transport, but I hate what idiots do with it that the parent company should have planned for but didn't because they're too progressive for such concerns as kamikaze homeless cases on the sidewalk or discarded piles of them in front of the bus station that any number of non-gated-community dwellers could have warned them about had they bothered to ask.
 
It’s so inefficient though, as someone who’s lived in a country with sprawling public transportation. The problem isn’t even infrastructure, it seems, because people in America hate the idea of public transportation every time it gets proposed. We keep making more and more highway roads that get clogged with more and more traffic. We’re just too rude to each other.

Mass transit also isn't an option for everyone in America. In greater metropolitan areas it's probably great (NYC, San Fran, etc) but most places in America aren't those places. Very few places have subways/small trains and while some places have buses they aren't things you can easily rely on (some don't run on weekends, some won't run past 6 PM, some won't go to your area, some are chronically late/early).
 
You haven't been near Парк Горького on a weekend recently have you?

Sidewalks (and the park) is lousy with these things. There's an entire rental shop set up right across from the main entrance.

Unless you're in moscow idaho, in which case, lol
typical, I'll try to avoid that bit of Moscow as much as I can then, thanks for the heads up.
 
Mass transit also isn't an option for everyone in America. In greater metropolitan areas it's probably great (NYC, San Fran, etc) but most places in America aren't those places. Very few places have subways/small trains and while some places have buses they aren't things you can easily rely on (some don't run on weekends, some won't run past 6 PM, some won't go to your area, some are chronically late/early).

I'm sure there was a time when San Fran public transit was good, but nowadays its one of the best places in the city to contract AIDS due to infestation by hobos and piles of shit everywhere.
 
Related - I remember wanting to murder every kid wearing those "wheelie heelie" shoes, well, their mothers, actually, who didn't seem to care Junior was crashing into things at best and at worst was hoping he did so they'd get a fat lawsuit settlement from Costco, and that was before they found an even more annoying way to put wheeled things on sidewalks.... like this.

I have enough problems dodging skateboarders (in 2018? yep) and bicyclists using the sidewalk with impunity though every block has a "NO BIKES" warning posted.... and now those stupid powered next-gen Segways are showing up, I"d burn em all too.

Those stupid shoes made malls so dangerous. Kids never watched where they were going. I still sometimes see them. But the trend has been pretty much dead for awhile. At least around here.

The scooters look so douchey and obnoxious. No wonder people are annoyed. I hate it when I'm carrying something heavy from the store and some dumbass kid on a bicycle expects me to get out of his way. Seeing hipster douches do the same on a scooter would be way more irritating.
 
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