Disaster Biden announces ban on unlicensed ghost gun kits


President Biden on Monday announced a ban on unlicensed kits to manufacture so-called ghost guns at home as part of his efforts to crack down on the proliferation of untraceable firearms.

The new rule includes a ban on “buy build shoot” kits that people can purchase online or at a store without a background check. The kit can assemble a working firearm in as little as 30 minutes, according to senior administration officials.

The new rule clarifies that such kits qualify as “firearms” under the Gun Control Act and, as a result, commercial manufacturers of them must be licensed, include serial numbers and conduct a background check prior to a sale.

Biden touted these new actions to fight gun crime on Monday, alongside Vice President Harris and Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco.

Gun violence survivors and families of victims joined the event in the Rose Garden.

“If you buy a couch you have to assemble, it’s still a couch. If you order a package like this one over here that includes the parts you need, the directions of assembling a functioning firearm, you bought a gun. Take a look,” Biden said, walking over to a ghost gun kit on a table.

“Anyone can order it in the mail, anyone,” he added. “Folks, a felon, a terrorist, a domestic abuser, can go from a gun kit to a gun in as little as 30 minutes.”

Biden pushed back on the idea that the rule is extreme.

“Is it extreme to protect police officers? Extreme to protect our children? Extreme to keep guns out of the hands of people who couldn’t even pass a background check? The idea that someone on a terrorist list could purchase one of these guns,” he said “It isn’t extreme, it’s just basic, common sense.”

Biden also repeated his stance against defunding the police, distancing himself from the popular progressive movement.

“I’ve said it many times. The answer is not to defund the police. It’s to fund the police and give them the tools and training, the support they need to be better partners and protectors of our communities in need,” he said.

In 2021, there were about 20,000 suspected ghost guns reported to ATF as having been recovered by law enforcement in criminal investigations, a tenfold increase from 2016, according to officials.

The rule applies to all ghost guns, regardless of how they were made, which can include 3D printing as well as kits. The Justice Department will require federally licensed dealers to take any unserialized firearm into inventory to serialize them.

“These guns are weapons of choice for many criminals,” Biden said on Monday. “We’re going to do everything we can to deprive them of that choice and when we find them, put them in jail for a long, long time.”

The rule builds on executive orders Biden issued in June aiming to reduce the proliferation of untraceable ghost guns, as well as regulating stabilizing braces on firearms and helping states enact red flag legislation.

The rule announced on Monday will also update the regulatory definitions of “frame” and “receiver” to ensure that firearms with split receivers are subject to regulations requiring serial numbers and background checks when purchased.

And it requires federally licensed firearms dealers to retain records until they shut down their business or licensed activity, responding to ATF data that over 1,300 firearms a year are untraceable because dealers destroyed records that were over 20 years old.

Biden called on Congress to pass legislation to ban the sale and possession of unserialized firearms, like ghost guns.

He also called on Congress to pass bills to require background checks for all gun sales, ensure that no terrorist can buy a weapon, ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and repeal gun manufacturers’ protection from liability.
 
Ahh, ATF. Making laws by fiat, because all that legislative branch stuff is just too inconvenient.
 

have fun when Deterrence Dispensed is free and 3D printers are only getting better. Gotta ban 3D printers like Pakistan did in order to even slightly cripple ghost guns. The FGC-9 in particular is now so reliable that it's being used as a weapon by a rebel group in Myanmar.

https://www.sandboxx.us/blog/the-fgc-9-in-myanmar-3d-guns-and-the-future-of-guerilla-warfare/

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rest in power Jstark :(
 
In 2021, there were about 20,000 suspected ghost guns reported to ATF as having been recovered by law enforcement in criminal investigations, a tenfold increase from 2016, according to officials.
If I'm not mistaken, the ATF doesn't distinguish between a real made at home gun and a gun whose serial number has been filed off; the latter being the favored untraceable weapon of most gun criminals.

The rule announced on Monday will also update the regulatory definitions of “frame” and “receiver” to ensure that firearms with split receivers are subject to regulations requiring serial numbers and background checks when purchased.
Like they are already subject to in all 50 states if buying from a licensed FFL; unless you're going to require AR manufacturers to start stamping serial numbers on the upper receiver as well, which I assume is what they're going for.

And it requires federally licensed firearms dealers to retain records until they shut down their business or licensed activity, responding to ATF data that over 1,300 firearms a year are untraceable because dealers destroyed records that were over 20 years old.
One way they make guns illegal without passing laws is making retail of them so onerous it's impossible to keep up with all the regulations. It's how San Francisco finally got rid of all their gun shops; death of one-thousand cuts that led to every transaction having to be audio and video recorded and retained for x-years, or risk severe penalties. This is just the first step of making firearm transactions a fucking chore.

He also called on Congress to pass bills to require background checks for all gun sales, ensure that no terrorist can buy a weapon, ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and repeal gun manufacturers’ protection from liability.
Again, already required in all 50 states if buying from a licensed dealer. You know what terrorist attack was my favorite; the couple who went on a rampage through San Bernardino, because I knew that area quite well. They got their weapons via a straw purchase, which believe it or not, is also against the law, and happened in the state of California, which already has some of the most onerous laws for gun buying/ownership. Not that I need to explain it, but they're side-stepping the problem of many guns involved in criminal activity are stolen or bought on the black market; with the serial number already scratched off. This isn't anything new, just retards arguing for shit that won't solve any problems, because solving the problem may mean killing a bunch of illegals/diversity Americans who have a fucking violence problem in their communities.
 
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While I do agree that ghost guns are guns and should be treated as such,
They are and always have been. Being "homemade" in theory has no influence on the legality of a firearm. If you can go buy it from an FFL you can make it yourself legally (though maybe violating IP). The major caveat is that you cannot use this as a loophole not to register as a manufacturer. You can only set out to make these for your personal use. The law does allow for incidental sales of these firearms, as long as sale was not the original intent. In those cases you must also serialize the firearm prior to sale.

Honestly if you're buying these kits you're paying an excessive premium to save time. There are public domain, freely available resources to enable you to make most mass-produced firearms from "scratch" with some elbow grease. I have to go deal with the aftermath of an unfortunate boating incident otherwise I would put together a quick guide and share PDFs/CAD files. As soon as I get over the grief of losing every firearm I own to Davy Jone's locker I would be happy to share if you need info, just PM me.
DefCad has a wealth of resources available. These will largely be your 3D printing resources or if you were looking for true machining it would be straightforward enough to "invert" these designs for those purposes. There's a wealth of information available on Archive.org. If you are unable to source them there I keep my own archives and can put something together. Folkscanomy defense is a collection likely to have patterns and DIY guidance. FirearmsManuals is right what it says on the tin. If you are looking for manufacturer documentation it is likely there. Blueprints is non-specific but useful for raw drafts. Military manuals are useful in general on a broad range of subjects. TM31-210 is the "Improvised Munitions Handbook" that covers myriad topics, in theory for firearms as far as practical purposes really go. How ever it provides important synthesis and primer creation that are major hurdles to firearms procurement.

Extractions&Ire on Youtube has a sister channel Explosions&Fire that covers lab-scale synthesis of myriad energetics. Some too spicy for youtube. I strongly recommend acquiring a copy of Machinery's Handbook. It has material, heat treatment, and hardening reference materials (among a lot of other useful engineering info). There's not anything in it you cannot Google for as you need but it is nice having it all in one place. I think that should about cover foundational information. If you have a specific inquiry or were looking for something specific just let me know. I can probably dig it up.
 
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They are and always have been. Being "homemade" in theory has no influence on the legality of a firearm. If you can go buy it from an FFL you can make it yourself legally (though maybe violating IP). The major caveat is that you cannot use this as a loophole not to register as a manufacturer. You can only set out to make these for your personal use. The law does allow for incidental sales of these firearms, as long as sale was not the original intent. In those cases you must also serialize the firearm prior to sale.

Honestly if you're buying these kits you're paying an excessive premium to save time. There are public domain, freely available resources to enable you to make most mass-produced firearms from "scratch" with some elbow grease. I have to go deal with the aftermath of an unfortunate boating incident otherwise I would put together a quick guide and share PDFs/CAD files. As soon as I get over the grief of losing every firearm I own to Davy Jone's locker I would be happy to share if you need info, just PM me.
Then what is the change that this does? My understanding is that they aren’t serialized.
 
Then what is the change that this does? My understanding is that they aren’t serialized.
So let's say to get over the loss of my guns in that boating accident, I set out to make my own, which is legally allowable. I don't intend to ever sell it and the loophole is precarious enough I don't want to even seem like I'm thinking about ever selling it. There is presently no legal requirement for me to serialize that firearm. Ever. It might cause some headaches for the executor of my estate, but engraving is always on option.

In the meantime let's say I go bankrupt, my water heater blows up my house, and my car burns down. I need money and all I have in this world is an engraving scribe and my unserialized, homemade gun. In order to legally sell it, I need to indelibly/permanently affix some serial number to the firearm. Since it is the first gun I've made, something as simple as "1" would satisfy this legal requirement and would be cited on the bill of sale. Gun laws are stupid.
 
I assume the first injunction or lawsuit will be filed before Friday.
No doubt - the major issue of if the ATF can redefine legal terms without legislation is bad enough by itself. They've played fast and loose with this for years, all the Executive Branch offices have, and the SC has been chomping at the bit to stop unelected administrators from controlling the law by fiat since Chevron was decided. If a 2nd Amendment case does the deed, I'd be very pleased. (If they also struck down the GCA as unconstitutional I'd die from joy.)

Assuming that they even have the authority to make this change, it's an overbroad ruling that covers basic bar stock by principle. These 'kits' are just raw material and instructions on how to finish them with tools like lathes and drills, you could get about the same effect by ordering some metal and looking at Glocks patents. That is to say that the distinction between a 'ghost gun kit' and some raw metal is a legal fiction. Will every foundry and metal shop have to register as an FFL now? Where does it end?
 
Then what is the change that this does? My understanding is that they aren’t serialized.
The only thing it changes is pretty much making it more onerous for the freedom loving type to DYI it at home and owning any unserialized gun a crime. These kits are usually nothing more than a shaped block of aluminum that you drill a few holes into, and you now have a functioning lower receiver (the part the ATF tracks as a weapon); this law would prevent the open sale of such items, requiring them to serialized before being sold and requiring a background check before buying one. As it says near the top of the article.
The new rule clarifies that such kits qualify as “firearms” under the Gun Control Act and, as a result, commercial manufacturers of them must be licensed, include serial numbers and conduct a background check prior to a sale.

The rest of the law is fluff to make it seem like they're doing something to stop crime, which is a lie.
 
This is about tightening the funnel of gun manufacturing into as few avenues as possible, so that all legal guns on the market are accounted for in a registry.

They don't care about the illegal guns, in fact this is sort of the point.

Step 1: Document all the guns out there
Step 2: Start banning and seizing those guns, starting with the "scary" ones first
Step 3: Ban and seize as much as possible of the remaining ones
Step 4: Later, as home-manufacturing technology has progressed to the point where gangs find it easier to just build their guns from scratch, the streets become flooded with them.
Step 5: The balance of power has now shifted from the lawful gun owners to unlawful gun owners, in a drastic way. The balance of power also shifts so that government can pick and choose who to prosecute for gun crimes. We're already seeing this where antifa gets wrist-slaps and J6 defendents rot in cells as political prisoners. At this stage, gangs and cartels become an extension of corrupt government power and work as enforcers in society to reinforce the ruling class' power and chill the will to resist from normal citizens. Make no mistake, this is the end game, and it means no more democratic rule, with a violent and powerful moat preventing it from becoming a "problem" for the ruling class in the future.
 
So on the question of "split receivers", such as on an AR, is it considered a "ghost gun" if the lower receiver is serialized, but not the upper?
 
Gun manufacturers should do this for every one of them, just for the sake of lulzy malicious compliance.
When I said the particulars of incidental sale are very strict, it was an understatement. If you are a registered manufacturer you are pretty much excluded entirely from this legal carve out. Your employer can help you get squared away to be a registered gunsmith at your home shop but you don't get the benefits of this anymore. Likewise, you're virtually guaranteed to throw up all kinds of red flags if you ever come to sell firearms like this more than once. This wouldn't really be malicious compliance and more the production line gets raided and some personnel get perforated over it. ATF does not fuck around. Which is super gay.
RE: AR receivers- the ATF will work with manufacturers and designate which individual part is the "gun" for legal purposes and requires serialization. For AR-15 pattern rifles they have ruled the lower receiver is what constitutes the firearm. While the upper receiver is equally important, it is legally just parts. Again, super gay bureaucracy.
 
This is about tightening the funnel of gun manufacturing into as few avenues as possible, so that all legal guns on the market are accounted for in a registry.

They don't care about the illegal guns, in fact this is sort of the point.

Step 1: Document all the guns out there
Step 2: Start banning and seizing those guns, starting with the "scary" ones first
Step 3: Ban and seize as much as possible of the remaining ones
Step 4: Later, as home-manufacturing technology has progressed to the point where gangs find it easier to just build their guns from scratch, the streets become flooded with them.
Step 5: The balance of power has now shifted from the lawful gun owners to unlawful gun owners, in a drastic way. The balance of power also shifts so that government can pick and choose who to prosecute for gun crimes. We're already seeing this where antifa gets wrist-slaps and J6 defendents rot in cells as political prisoners. At this stage, gangs and cartels become an extension of corrupt government power and work as enforcers in society to reinforce the ruling class' power and chill the will to resist from normal citizens. Make no mistake, this is the end game, and it means no more democratic rule, with a violent and powerful moat preventing it from becoming a "problem" for the ruling class in the future.
I found out recently that while California doesn't have a gun registry per se, they have a registry of who owns/owned a gun. I work in places where "random vehicle searches" are allowed and they require me opening my doors, trunk, stepping out of the vehicle, and the law running my paperwork. So while they're doing that, one comes up to me and asks "What kind of guns do you own?" so I answer, they then ask if I brought it with me, to which I reply no. After being told I'm free to go I inquire as to how they knew I own guns, they kindly informed me it's in the state's DMV records. I remember an article a while ago about gun owners and shit being tracked via some fucking college data system, but no, the state may not know what you have, but they know you've bought something at least once.

So on the question of "split receivers", such as on an AR, is it considered a "ghost gun" if the lower receiver is serialized, but not the upper?
AR upper receivers are not serialized or tracked (yet). It's only the lower receiver that counts as a gun and is thus serialized/tracked/recorded.
 
They are and always have been. Being "homemade" in theory has no influence on the legality of a firearm. If you can go buy it from an FFL you can make it yourself legally (though maybe violating IP). The major caveat is that you cannot use this as a loophole not to register as a manufacturer. You can only set out to make these for your personal use. The law does allow for incidental sales of these firearms, as long as sale was not the original intent. In those cases you must also serialize the firearm prior to sale.

Honestly if you're buying these kits you're paying an excessive premium to save time. There are public domain, freely available resources to enable you to make most mass-produced firearms from "scratch" with some elbow grease. I have to go deal with the aftermath of an unfortunate boating incident otherwise I would put together a quick guide and share PDFs/CAD files. As soon as I get over the grief of losing every firearm I own to Davy Jone's locker I would be happy to share if you need info, just PM me.
I am so sorry to hear about your boating accident. Thank God that no one was on board when it happened, that your boat capsized but bears absolutely no signs of damage to the hull, and that you had literally nothing else aboard other than every firearm you ever owned. A tragedy to be sure, but I'm sure you'll live.
 
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