Bible Study - From a non-religious kiwi

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I'm not religious but I do have a passing interest in ancient history and historical linguistics (without getting too bogged down in debates like KJV only). So if any of you guys have any interesting things to tell me, I'm open to listen.

I'll start: Recently youtube has recommended me a series called Who Wrote the Bible? which is taken from a purely historical perspective. I find it quite interesting, and the creator takes a pretty broad view and is careful to point out what is academically supported and what is still speculation. First video:


He also has great videos on genealogy of famous figures like Jesus and royalty

 
Bunch of Sumerians moved west to caanan and became Canaanite

lived in Egypt for a couple generations

then came back, became Israelites before their kingdom fell to Babylonia , Persia took that over and Jews scattered again

then fell to Greek then Roman spheres of influence


an extreme abridged version
 
I can understand why people don't believe in the Bible, however the Biblical prophecies being fullfilled today and in ancient times(with other history accounts to back up the happenings) is pretty solid evidence to me that it is true.

And regardless how you feel about religion I think the world, society, and morality did way better following thr Bible's teachings.
 
ToroidalBoat dijo:
I like to think the Bible is a spiritual allegory that also has some literal truth - like the story of Jesus - woven in.
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That's the perspective that Matt Baker at Useful Charts takes. He explains that ancient peoples did not write history for the sole purpose of recording literal happenings but also for conveying a message and telling a story.
 
Jesus and the Eyewitnesses by Richard Bauckham is the gold standard for understanding the historicity of the gospels. You should also be very wary of source criticism since it ends up being little more than guesswork based on which words are used where. The documentary hypothesis is particularly ridiculous.
 
Read the Bible and then read the Church Fathers. St. John Chrysostom is your best bet if you want to understand the New Testament and St. Cyril of Alexandria explains the Pentateuch faily well
ToroidalBoat dijo:
I like to think the Bible is a spiritual allegory that also has some literal truth - like the story of Jesus - woven in.
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A lot of that allegory is prophecy, mind you. Nearly every book of the Old Testament foreshadows the life and persecution of Jesus Christ and the eventual rise and growth of the Church. Allegorical passages from the Old Testament are what allowed the Fathers to discern truth from heresy at all seven of the Ecumenical Councils.
 
I'd say St. Augustine's Confessions. Its a fascinating autobiographical book about Augustine of Hippo's journey from base hedonism to a saint and doctor of the church. I also love it because it gives you a look into the world of Romanized Africa (I think like 400 AD). I've heard his other work City of God is great, but I have like 3 books or so that I need to finish before I get to that one.

Also, Mere Christianity by CS Lewis is always an interesting one, it definitely is a great gateway into his other works. Its based on his WW2 era broadcasts.
 
Raging Capybara dijo:
So much that the guys who wrote these books don't give a single flying fuck about Jesus Christ. Seems legit.
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Can you be a faggot somewhere else? We are expressing our beliefs and you are sperging out at people here simply for having them. Imagine being a non religious faggot and pretending you understabd the Bible better than others.

Jesus was prophecied in the old testament you idiot. That was a big theme during the old testament which was creating a bloodline for the Messiah.
 
I find it interesting that the human characters of the Bible are morally flawed, especially for the principal Jewish characters. Abraham, for instance, was so devoted to God that he would have gone through with killing his son, Isaac, until an angel intervenes. Something to note is that Isaac does not follow Abraham afterwards and Sarah dies soon after. There is a possibility that Abraham's attempted killing of his son was wrong and that it ruined his family. Isaac leaves him and Sarah dies out of grief. More to the point is that Abraham gets another wife and fathers several children that will be the progenitors of nations that war with the Jews later in the Bible.

Another character would be King David. After David becomes King, he is infatuated with a woman, Bathsheba. He impregnates her, which may or may not have been consensual. David sends Bathsheba's husband to the frontlines so he can be killed, allowing David to marry Bathsheba. While David acknowledges that this was sinful, his repentance does not absolve him of future suffering from the loss of several of his children, including the son he had with Bathsheba.

What fascinates is me is trying to understand why the Jewish writers of the Old Testament give the "father of the nation" and the supposed progenitor of the messiah such character flaws. Maybe it is to highlight that even those that are in high esteem with God are not perfect, that they are just like everyone else.
 
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