Best fucked up books

Justine by Marquis de Sade.

This book cycles between porn (if you even call it that) and philosophy, and the second part is more scary. You don't agree with his fucked-up characters' arguments, but their logic is very solid which is the scary part. For me it was psychological horror reading it.
Literally, in my OP post. But you sum up why Sade is still relevant. It's not so much the graphic sexual violence but the philosophy behind it where you can easily find parallels with today and find yourself saying "He has a point about that."

You don't end up as political prisoner under almost every regime you live through without having at least some good ideas.

Friend of mine who could be considered a Sade scholar (taught at Yale for a period) considers Sade's writings as a work of revenge against society.
 
I read this weird Manga by now deceased author Oka Sundome released in 2003 and is called Mebina-tachi no gogo. It's about limbless anime girls with weird names in really weird and messed up situations. At first glance it appears as an autistic fetish fantasy from some weirdo but it really is pretty sad and disturbing as he delves into scenarios regarding these girls.
 
This one might be unpopular for some of the specifics, but Aztec by Gary Jennings is a masterpiece, and it's also incredibly, excessively, perverted.

The novel is about an Aztec macehaultin (commoner) named Mixtli who, over the course of his life, works his way up to the ranks of the pipiltin (nobility) while Forrest Gumping his way through Aztec history (except he's smart, not stupid) and surveying the fascinating world of Mesoamerica, from the northern deserts to the southern Mayan highlands. Over the course of his life Mixtli (SPOILER ALERT) becomes a scholar, war hero, adventurer merchant, courtier, secret agent, diplomat, and finally plays a role in the fall of Tenochtitlan to Cotez, along the way meeting Montezuma, La Malinche, Cortez, and other Great Men of the Conquest. The writing is riveting adventure material, with vivid descriptions and an incredible depth of detail that shows more knowledge of that world than I thought anybody could have. It is easily one of the best books I have ever read and is probably the best.

The fucked up part comes from all the sex and violence. The violence is real Aztec history, the sex mostly gratuitous nonsense, but almost always tied into the plot directly and usually depicted correctly (with some major caveats). The real beauty of it is that there's this framing device of Mixtli being interrogated by the Bishop of Mexico City, and if it wasn't for that the perversion would piss me off past a point, but instead it ends up feeling like Mixtli doing one giant defiant Aristocrats skit to the Church.

DONT READ THE SPOILERS IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO READ THE BOOK, IT'S A ROLLERCOASTER THAT NEEDS TO BE EXPERIENCED BLIND.

TRIGGER WARNINGS: RAPE, INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, CANNIBALISM, BUFFALO BILL SKIN-WEARING
When Mixtli's sister Tzintzin gets caught fingering herself as a child, her mother rubs chili powder into her vagina, making it burn real badly. After that point she becomes something of a slut. She forces herself on Mixtli and they have an incestuous relationship until the day she's chosen to play the virgin in a religious ritual. This causes problems for Mixtli at war school, because the boys have been playing the circle jerk game when they're supposed to be on guard duty, and then when one of them brings a slave woman for them to fuck, he can't get it up for the slave woman. He also has to hide his affair, because Aztecs have Abrahamic sexual mores (adultery, female fornication, sodomy, lesbianism, all capital offenses). This causes problems when Tzintzin is chosen for a virgin religious ritual, so she can't comply. Mixtli hears from his sadistic and unloving mother (a real social climber) that she ran off in the night, but he looks into it and believes that Tzintzin actually was killed by the local lord's son, who was an evil sadist who wanted to court her and would have been offended by the discovery of her whoredom.

Meanwhile, overlapping with this plot, Mixtli winds up being recruited to study at a neighboring king's university, and is assigned to serve as the retainer of the king's teenaged wife, who is the daughter of the Aztec emperor. He is expressly ordered to follow her every order. Mixtli soon learns that the princess/queen is a massive slut and orders him to paint portraits (it's one of his many skills) of the most handsome men, of which she selects the hunkiest and then chooses for affairs. Because he's an accessory to adultery of the Tlaltelolco king's wife, he knows he will die for it if it gets found out, but then he learns that she's actually killing off her lovers and then having them stripped to the bone, so the bones can be used to fashion perfect statues of her kills. His two best friends back home are recruited by her, and he realizes he has to stop her series of serial killings. So, he and his loyal slave boy Cozcatl (who's been given to him) go and trick the lord's son to a triste with the princess/queen, but it's a set-up.

In the following court proceedings, it is found that Mixtli and Cozcatl are to be banished, as is one of his two friends, but the other friend is put to death. It turns out the two friends are gay for each other, and the survivor swears revenge on Mixtli for causing the death of his lover. The lord's son is executed and stripped of all flesh below the head except for the groin area, and the queen/princess is knocked out and dragged into the middle of a garden labyrinth, then mounted on his (artifically straightened) penis, so when she wakes up from her slumber, she's in the middle of the labyrinth fully astraddle the rotting corpse/skeleton of her would-be lover, and she has no way of finding her way out so she dies of stress.

Then there's a bunch of non-perverted stuff about Mixtli going off to war, becoming a hero, and starting a career as a merchant. At one point the one friend jumps Cozcatl and cuts his penis off, because he thinks Mixtli is gay for Cozcatl. It turns out that's actually kind of true, because on one merchant expedition Mixtli gets horny and becomes a pederast (this was the point in the book where it started getting real uncomfortable).

So Mixtli eventually winds up buying a whore down in south Mexico on one trip, then feels guilty about it and buys the tavern the whore works in so that she can leave a respectable life. He fucks her in front of her two daughters, identical twins, because she insists that they know exactly what their mother does for a living (it's her first time whoring). Years later he comes back and discovers that he had knocked the whore up, but his old friend happened across her when she was ready to give birth, found out that she was with Mixtli's child, and then posed as a doctor so he could deliberately botch the delivery and kill them both. As it happens, Mixtli wound up there because he had the shit beat out of him in a robbery and convalesced there. During his recovery he falls in love with one of the two twins, but at first he doesn't realize they're different people, so he majorly embarasses himself.

Mixtli learns that one of the sisters, the one he loves more, Nyanya, knows the location of a rare purple dye that could make his merchant company extremely rich. They mount an expedition to get it (slaughtering the local priests who guard it) and end up fucking. They then get married, and the other sister gets really pissed about it. She claims it's because it's super gross to fuck both mom and daughter, but in reality it's clear (to everybody but Mixtli) that she's jealous of her sister.

At one point, Mixtli gets sent on a diplomatic mission (having learned to use the knowledge from his merchant expeditions to curry favor with the emperor) to Purempecha territory, who Jennings completely inaccurately depicts as a race of complete sexual deviants who have no morals. They're told to bring a set of retarded Siamese twins with them (the Aztecs kept a people-zoo for freaks) to give as a gift to the Purempecha king for a unique sex slave. The king is old and has no teeth, and he drinks human milk from the tit of a fat woman. He gets Mixtli and Nyanya extremely drunk and they have an orgy with a girl and boy, and the king fucks his Siamese twin tards, and at one point the Siamese twins make an appearance crawling around on all eight limbs like a crab.

Back home, Mixtli and Nyanya have a daughter, but Nyanya tragically dies in a giant flood, and he leaves the newborn daughter with Cozcatl and Cozcatl's wife for a few years while he wanders the world grieving and banging multiple tribal women he encounters, one of whom is also uncomfortably young. He raises his daughter up to her preteen years, and then he ends up fucking up things with Montezuma and gets sent to govern a new colony in the middle of nowhere as punishment.

He takes his daughter with him, and at one point goes out to do some diplomacy with a local tribe while the priests conduct a religious ritual. When gets back he is horrified to discover that they selected HIS daughter for the Xipe Totec sacrifice, which he forgot it was the time of year of. See, it's a great honor to be the sacrifice, but that sacrifice involves being raped (in Jennings' world; the rest of the ritual was real, but that part was made up), then being killed, flayed of your skin, and a little guy wears your skin like Buffalo Bill and dances around, so one of the first things he sees upon getting back is this creep strutting around in his daughter's naked skin. He orders his men to Rape of Nanking the entire town.

Much later in the story, he at one point (serving as a diplomat, still) has an encounter with La Malinche and Malinche makes up some nonsense, for reasons I can't remember, about them having sex so that they have blackmail on each other since she's Cortez's woman at the moment, but she also needs him to keep some secrets about her. He refuses, but she gets him drunk and forces herself on him, and the surviving sister (who he had since married out of obligation, but refuses to sleep with or show any kindness to, because he's deluded himself into thinking that she hates him) walks in on him while he drunkenly calls out the names of both his dead wife AND daughter while screwing La Malinche.

I can't remember anything else of a sexual nature that was messed up. Of course, the Aztecs are evil bastards when it comes to the torture and sacrifices, and there's lots of that too. Aside from Xipe Totec, the most memorable is the time they have two little kids (a boy and a girl) glue masks to their faces and then force them into a pool of water, so that they die in the water without shedding blood or drowning, because they die of normal asphyxiation, and their parents are in the crowd watching proudly. And the time our war hero Mixtli is celebrating his victory after the great sacrifice of 1487 and part of the ritual is that they get to eat that sweet, sumptuous "long pork" cut from the enemy. And when he learns that the meat the Chichimeca barbarians feed him is sun-dried baby.

I think Gary Jennings might be a potential violent psychopath.
 
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This one might be unpopular for some of the specifics, but Aztec by Gary Jennings is a masterpiece, and it's also incredibly, excessively, perverted.
Gary Jennings' novels The Journeyer, Spangle, and Raptor are all pretty great too, although slightly less perverted and violent. Aztec Summer isn't bad either, although I've heard the sequels not written by him are lousy.
 
This is a really basic bitch take:
Jurassic Park is demented in the way it describes animal attacks.
Take for instance when Nedry's belly is sliced open and he realizes his holding his own guts. Or when he realizes the animal has its mouth clamped on his head and Nedry hopes it'll be over soon.

Something else that really caught me off guard was when Brody found the swimmer's body in Jaws. The description of her mangled torso really stuck with me.
 
I recently read "Nova Express" by William S. Burroughs (1964), and it reads like he had a direct line to the future
it's bizarre, fragmented and very trippy dystopian science-fiction, with a plot concering the takeover of Earth by extraterrestrial Nova criminals, who treat it as an asset to be stripped
apparently it was a big influence on William Gibson and other cyberpunk writers, and is also the original source for the term "heavy metal", later applied to music

what got me was was this uncannily prescient paragraph, in the very last section:
I have said the basic techniques of nova are very simple consist in creating and aggravating conflicts - "No riots like injustice directed between enemies" - At any given time recorders fix nature of absolute need and dictate the use of total weapons - Like this: Collect and record violent Anti-Semitic statements - Now play back to Jews who are after Belsen - Record what they say and play it back to the Anti-Semites - Clip clap - You got it? - Want more? - Record white supremacy statements - Play to Negroes - Play back answer - Now The Women and The Men - No riots like injustice directed betweeen "enemies" - At any given time position of recorders fixes nature of absolute need - And dictates the use of total weapons - So leave the recorders running and get your heavy metal ass in a space ship - Did it - Nothing here now but the recordings - Shut the whole thing right off - Silence - When you answer the machine you provide it with more recordings to be played back to your "enemies" keep the whole nova machine running - The Chinese character for "enemy" means to be similar to or to answer - Don't answer the machine - Shut it off -
 
Most people don't know this book but it is actually more fucked up than American Psycho, just not in a way that got media attention.
That's due to the severely bowdlerized theatrical adaptation, which got rid of everything edgy and turned it into an anti-drug PSA and endures largely off of it's soundtrack and people retroactively declaring Robert Downy Jr's performance as underrated.

Which leads to a bit of an irony as the film version of LTZ is Ellis' favorite adaptation of his work (due to the fact that it perfectly captures, the tone and spirit of the wealthy trust fund 1980s LA party scene of the time, even if it removed every bad thing Clay did from it to make him a perfect square type goody-goody). Though Ellis did throw some major shade on the film when he wrote the sequel (Imperial Bedroom), by recasting the movie adaptation as fanfic one of Clay's sycophants from high school wrote and had Clay do horrible shit in just about every chapter to solidify him being a horrible piece of shit human being.

The same is true about the American Psycho movie. Really, the only good thing about that was Christian Bale's performance.
Most of the really nasty shit that could never be filmed from the book, is referenced towards the end when Bateman is confessing his stuff and it's treated like noodles incidents of stuff we never saw onscreen. The only really nasty bit (the stuff with the rat) is the only thing that got outright omitted IIRC.

As for the film version, I've always held that the film is great if you view it as a black comedy not a straight up horror film. There is a lot of absurd stuff in the film relating to Bateman's yuppie life that counterbalances the bloodshed and I'd also make the case that streamlining Bateman's crimes makes it easier to get through combined with the fact that it helps strengthen the lady or the tiger nature of the story, in that either Patrick's hallucinating his criminal deeds to cope with the banality of his life (which is shown in graphic detail in his interactions between murders) or that Patrick's crime spree is on a small enough scale that it's realistic that it could be covered up by a corrupt real estate agent and the cliche that Patrick's social circle are so generic and clonelike that everyone, even the police can't tell them apart and trust the notion that Leto's character's death can be negated by someone saying they saw someone who looked like him somewhere else after he was killed and the police buying it without further investigation.

Justine by Marquis de Sade.

This book cycles between porn (if you even call it that) and philosophy, and the second part is more scary. You don't agree with his fucked-up characters' arguments, but their logic is very solid which is the scary part. For me it was psychological horror reading it.
Justine and it's companion book Juliette are a decent representation of the nihilistic notions of DeSade and the libertine philosophy: which is to say that life is hell, being good will only lead to suffering, and that the only way to get ahead in life is to be evil and having high enough social status/money to do evil without fear of prosecution. Which is very depressing to say the least, especially when you consider that DeSade wrote this while moving in the elite circles where such things were the norm.
 
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Justine and it's companion book Juliette are a decent representation of the nihilistic notions of DeSade and the libertine philosophy: which is to say that life is hell, being good will only lead to suffering, and that the only way to get ahead in life is to be evil and having high enough social status/money to do evil without fear of prosecution. Which is very depressing to say the least, especially when you consider that DeSade wrote this while moving in the elite circles where such things were the norm.
It hasn't really changed much.
 
The closest I got to shock-fiction was Crash, by J.C. Ballard, and Houellebecq's Elementary Particles. I tend to pair them in my mind for their focus on the intersection of sexuality and technology. Spoilers ahead for those who care.

In Crash you follow a bunch of overly wealthy, celebrity-obsessed men who push their search for sexual thrill to the extreme by fantasizing and engaging in gory car accidents, especially featuring famous figures. It's a sexuality of violence and mutual abuse, but there's also an implication that it's the only possible sexuality in a sense - unlike every other fetish, who can be superceded by something more extreme, death is the ultimate coom, and justaxposing the clean, pristine look of a sports car with blood and guts is the ultimate sexual thrill.

In The Elementary Particles instead you get the story of the man who ended sex, inventing the necessary biotechnology for cloning and modifying human DNA to create sexless individuals. But the genius of it is to not focus on the invention at all, but instead follow the story of his family, showing that the protagonist might actually have done something necessary - removing a diseased part of modernity that was resulted in plastic surgery addictions, hookups, broken homes, a mockery of families, pornography-as-reality, gangbang and swinger clubs, and lonely, miserable people compared to the angelic non-humans of the future. It's an absolutely genius novel.
 
Odd choice, I didn't like it but I tried to read The Lovely Bones. Obviously it was about a little girl being raped and killed by her neighbour. It was first person and it went into detail. The sister of the murdered girl was like 13 and fucked a guy under a boat in a dried up pond. I personally felt really sick at that part. I know it was all for effect but it felt like pedo bait. I didn't like it one bit
 
The closest I got to shock-fiction was Crash, by J.C. Ballard, and Houellebecq's Elementary Particles. I tend to pair them in my mind for their focus on the intersection of sexuality and technology. Spoilers ahead for those who care.

In Crash you follow a bunch of overly wealthy, celebrity-obsessed men who push their search for sexual thrill to the extreme by fantasizing and engaging in gory car accidents, especially featuring famous figures. It's a sexuality of violence and mutual abuse, but there's also an implication that it's the only possible sexuality in a sense - unlike every other fetish, who can be superceded by something more extreme, death is the ultimate coom, and justaxposing the clean, pristine look of a sports car with blood and guts is the ultimate sexual thrill.

In The Elementary Particles instead you get the story of the man who ended sex, inventing the necessary biotechnology for cloning and modifying human DNA to create sexless individuals. But the genius of it is to not focus on the invention at all, but instead follow the story of his family, showing that the protagonist might actually have done something necessary - removing a diseased part of modernity that was resulted in plastic surgery addictions, hookups, broken homes, a mockery of families, pornography-as-reality, gangbang and swinger clubs, and lonely, miserable people compared to the angelic non-humans of the future. It's an absolutely genius novel.
The Elementary Particles started me on a long trip through the French existentialist authors, and Houellbecq will always be the greatest of all to me. If you enjoyed Particles, please check out 'The Possibility of an Island'. It might be my favorite book of all time. I don't want to get into the subject matter too much. Go into it totally unaware for maximum enjoyment. Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on it.
Odd choice, I didn't like it but I tried to read The Lovely Bones. Obviously it was about a little girl being raped and killed by her neighbour. It was first person and it went into detail. The sister of the murdered girl was like 13 and fucked a guy under a boat in a dried up pond. I personally felt really sick at that part. I know it was all for effect but it felt like pedo bait. I didn't like it one bit
The woman who wrote that book was dealing with depression and addiction related to a violent rape she suffered. She is just recently embroiled in a "cancel culture" drama in regards to the wrongfully convicted black man who served fourteen years for the crime. Seems the police decided this was the guy, and coached her to identify him during lineup. Naturally, the internet is heaping anger on her, rather than the police who fingered the wrong man. It was dark AFAIK and he is black, so i can't particularly fault her.

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture...e-sebold-apologizes-man-cleared-rape-rcna7138
 
And how much of this shit actually happened? I think a lot of it didn't.
In the film or in the book? In the book, he has more hallucinations like seeing a giant peanut on a talk show. It's more difficult to say but I think most of the killings happened in the book. In the film, I'm going with every killing happened except for the police standoff towards the end.
 
In the film or in the book? In the book, he has more hallucinations like seeing a giant peanut on a talk show. It's more difficult to say but I think most of the killings happened in the book. In the film, I'm going with every killing happened except for the police standoff towards the end.

The director of the film has stated that she took the stance that Patrick Bateman IS a murderer when making the film, but left the third act kind of vague once someone told her about the unreliable narrator aspect of novel during filming. As far as she is concerned, Patrick killed Leto and the hookers, but YMMV on Patrick wandering around killing people at the end, along with the bit with the realtor being staged in a way that leaves it ambiguous towards whether or not she cleaned up the crime scene or not.

Ironically, the censors had no real issue with the violence of the film; the main cuts were to the sex scene/dialogue as the three-way had to be toned down and a line where Patrick orders one of the hookers to eat out the asshole of another hooker had to be shortened via editing so it sounded less explicit.
 
Reading through the thread it looks like most of the books I can think of have been mentioned. There is one section of Pet Sematary though that is probably one of the best pieces of horror writing I've seen from a novelist, and that is The Return of Timmy Baterman. This could be a little short horror story all on its own. It has it all.

I transcribed (read: copy+pasted) it into a justpasteit URL in case anyone would like to read it quick. I know not everyone has read Pet Sematary but I think everyone at least knows what it is about.

 
The Elementary Particles started me on a long trip through the French existentialist authors, and Houellbecq will always be the greatest of all to me. If you enjoyed Particles, please check out 'The Possibility of an Island'. It might be my favorite book of all time. I don't want to get into the subject matter too much. Go into it totally unaware for maximum enjoyment. Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on it.
I have the complete works of Houellebecq, so eventually I will get to it. Submission mentally exhausted me for a bit, so I'll take my time.

Also, for the people ITT who liked the ambiguous "is he a criminal, a madman, or just describing his fantasies?" part of American Psycho, Peace by Gene Wolfe is that and so much more. It's kind of the natural endpoint of the unreliable narrator trope, to the point where fifty years after it came out people still argue whether it's horror, a postwar Midwest memoir, magical realism or whatnot. It is very subtle and requires multiple readings but can also be very creepy.
 
I don't remember the name of the book or its author, but the weird smelly chick with fat tiddies let me borrow it in 10th grade. It had a bunch of weird stories. One of them was about a tire iron embedded in a chunk of rock that was possessed by the ghost of a heart-throb movie star. He died in a car accident and his tire iron presumably went through him and into the rock.

Anyways, women from all around the world go to shack in a dilapidated town to fuck the tire iron, usually when they're virgins. They leave nudes of themselves taped to the walls of the shack. Our heroes are two normal guys who've been snooping on their girlfriends, who go there and watch their girlfriends (who refuse to put out) fuck the tire iron and exclaim how they can feel the dead actor's ghostly hands on their bodies. After they've sacrificed their hymens to the ghost, they tell their boyfriends that they're now ready to put out.

I think there was another story about 3 psychic pre-teen kids who kill everyone else on Earth, then two of them knock up their sister who is apparently pregnant with the anti-Christ.
 
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