Being atheist and wanting to seek God again
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- 19 de Feb, 2017
I think guys like Gratian and Theodosius would like to have a word with you about that.
The main reason why Christianity (Catholicism in particular) became so widespread in Europe and supplanted paganism is because after the Edict of Milan, the Roman government began increasingly punitive towards Hellenic pagans (with Emperor Julian being a major exception), often in violent ways, with Theodosius declaring Catholic Christianity to be the sole religion of the Empire and purging any remaining pagans of any social standing in the Empire.
Again, this is not an attack on Catholicism or Christianity, it's just history.
Conversely, the rise of Christianity has also helped Europe greatly, as the monasteries often provided essential services for the civilian populations of Europe once the Roman government collapsed completely, and the Catholic Church was a major advocate of science and the arts, with the Celtic monks in Ireland and Scotland in particular going above and beyond in preserving ancient Greek and Roman texts (although the Byzantines and later, the Arabs, had more preserved knowledge just because those regions were more politically and economically stable at the time)
However, you are correct that the Celtic and Germanic peoples in Northern Europe and the Slavic peoples in Eastern Europe converted peacefully.
Essentially, the royalty and nobility in Northern Europe and Eastern Europe were converted to Christianity and it became associated with the upper classes and social mobility, and eventually trickled down to the peasantry by the Early Middle Ages.
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But even before the Edict of Milan, Christians were a large minority. By the time of Nero, there were already Christians in Rome who were persecuted under him. Later Emperor Diocletian launched an empire-wide persecution.
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- 19 de Feb, 2017
True, but Christianity in Rome was often associated with criminals and the underclass before Constantine I and the Edict of Milan, which combined with its Jewish roots, helped contribute to the persecution of Christianity by the Roman government.
Before 313 AD, Christianity was often condemned by Romans as a religion of slaves, criminals, whores, and foreigners (mainly because the idea of an eternal reward in Heaven gave these low-status people hope) and as much as SJW's and radfems love to condemn Christianity for "muh patriarchy" forget that early Christianity was very popular among women of the lower social classes and was mostly comprised of female followers prior to the Edict of Milan.
The Edict of Milan legalizing Christianity and the various councils like Nicea and Chalcedon providing organization, codification, and legitimacy to Christianity and helped it spread across Europe, which is why the Northern European and Eastern European aristocracy liked Christianity and responded well to the efforts of priests and missionaries.
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Good point. However, the fact that the early Christian Jews spread their religion to low-status gentiles leads to another question that is evidence for Christianity being true.
If Jesus was not the messiah who established a new covenant, why would the early Christian Jews want to include Gentiles into their religion if they were raised thinking that they were the chosen people?
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- 7 de Dic, 2018
Dont look outside to institutions and academics for your answer. Such is the recourse of the lazy and the insecure. If you want purpose and perspective, look first to yourself and focus on that. The key to understand anything spiritual is to understand yourself and to look honestly at all your evil and good. Look at the good and evil around you, relate it to yourself and listen first to you and then beyond. Never the other way around.
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- 31 de Oct, 2018
I wanna agree with this post but seeing it already agreed with by @Hellbound Hellhound in this thread of all places gives me pause
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- 2 de Abr, 2018
I was about to say something along these lines, although I would like to offer the caveat that this sort of spiritual introspection can also sometimes be taken too far. One of the major disagreements I have with Buddhism concerns the way that it disconnects people from important aspects of their lives by encouraging them to regress into constant meditation, and I would argue that the meaning this offers people is just as illusory as the one offered by monotheism. Both approaches placate people as a substitute for true meaning and happiness.
I would say that the best approach is to have a healthy balance between the internal and the external. On the one hand, it is important to form an emotional connection to something greater than yourself (even if it is only material), but on the other, it is also important to introspect and not lose touch with your own identity and conscience in the process.
Why would that give you pause? Are you trying to say that I have ever been wrong on the internet?
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- 5 de Nov, 2018
Barring the logic of a shitpost, you actually chose a sister-fucking, crybaby, serial rapist, animal fucker over the dude who healed the sick, fed the hungry, gave to the poor and died for the sins of Humanity for free.
What do I say. A lolcow god is probably the most entertaining god.
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- 31 de Oct, 2018
Oh, of course you're correct, but you're also quite literally a hellbound hellhound, taking your advice won't bring anyone closer to God!
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- 16 de Mar, 2019
Impossible, E. Michael Jones hasn't been mentioned even once in this thread...
My church (that I barely ever attend) is filled with Negroes so this doesn't always apply.
Here's a funny post by le genius Chris Langan about how atheism is a logical contradiction. Make of it what you will:
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- 26 de Abr, 2019
Yeah that kind of thing just begs for some smartass to show up in the comments and ask Chris if God can create a wall that He himself can't jump over, just to shitpost him out of the metaphysical room.
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- 3 de Mayo, 2019
If you want Jesus to leave then just lock your liquor cabinet. Keep an eye on your faucets too, the water to wine trick is hella fast and doesn't make any noise.
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It becomes a lot easier to reconcile religious beliefs or spirituality when you divorce yourself from its mainstream, collectivist face. Not that it isn't an uplifting and hopeful experience for genuinely good people to try to come together and share a support structure with one another; but too often will you find the earthly hierarchy is just an unnecessary middleman between you and what you personally believe in.
This isn't limited to Judeo Christianity either, even though the idea of individualized worship ( to spite religious authority ) was attributed to Christ.
This isn't limited to Judeo Christianity either, even though the idea of individualized worship ( to spite religious authority ) was attributed to Christ.
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I'm a devout Christian but I was an Atheist my whole life before that, and currently I'm just a catechuman. Aquinas' cosmological arguments resonated with me particularly his take on good and evil, with the greatest, realest good being God, and the greatest evil its antithesis or absence. Personally I'm involved in the real life tradcaths (not the internet deus vult retards) and go to latin mass at my SSPX church whenever I can, I find that the traditional Catholics are some of the nicest people I've ever met and would recommend going just to meet people like that, from a completely secular standpoint.
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- 14 de Ene, 2019
It depends on what kind of "Atheist" you were before.
If you were raised as a "none" (that is, religion was just something that never came up) you might find it relatively easy to join a faith from a direct social encounter. Many religious organizations employ a range of techniques and tools ranging from "Love Bombing" to make strangers feel overwhelmed with positive attention (yes, this is an actual term taught in some seminaries as well as cult deprogramming) as well as art to encourage numinous experiences that will help you slide neatly into a religious life.
If you've become an Atheist later in life via study of the doctrine itself, however; I wouldn't say it's impossible but doing that is rather like opening Pandora's box. Once you know how the cogs all work inside the magic doesn't really have the same impact anymore. A well trained choir building up to the most tense and dramatic moment on Good Friday was once a hair raising experience for me, but now I know the music theory and what to do to make a congregations hair stand on end it's not really anything anymore.
If you are determined to become religious, one thing they all have in common is that Orthopraxy leads to Orthodoxy. Very few religious people thrive in isolation, and never initially. A religious community that encourages you to believe, and following all the rituals such as attending services/the call to prayer etc all slowly reinforce doctrine and a certain state of mind.
Religion isn't purely a mental exercise, the physical and social side is perhaps even more important than the mental/belief side for long term maintenance and consistency.
It sounds like the old "He wasn't ever really a Christian" I know, but "Nones" ("I wasn't/am not committed to a religion and haven't necessarily considered if the supernatural exists) and "Atheists" ("I think theists are full of shit") are not the same thing.
If you were raised as a "none" (that is, religion was just something that never came up) you might find it relatively easy to join a faith from a direct social encounter. Many religious organizations employ a range of techniques and tools ranging from "Love Bombing" to make strangers feel overwhelmed with positive attention (yes, this is an actual term taught in some seminaries as well as cult deprogramming) as well as art to encourage numinous experiences that will help you slide neatly into a religious life.
If you've become an Atheist later in life via study of the doctrine itself, however; I wouldn't say it's impossible but doing that is rather like opening Pandora's box. Once you know how the cogs all work inside the magic doesn't really have the same impact anymore. A well trained choir building up to the most tense and dramatic moment on Good Friday was once a hair raising experience for me, but now I know the music theory and what to do to make a congregations hair stand on end it's not really anything anymore.
If you are determined to become religious, one thing they all have in common is that Orthopraxy leads to Orthodoxy. Very few religious people thrive in isolation, and never initially. A religious community that encourages you to believe, and following all the rituals such as attending services/the call to prayer etc all slowly reinforce doctrine and a certain state of mind.
Religion isn't purely a mental exercise, the physical and social side is perhaps even more important than the mental/belief side for long term maintenance and consistency.
It sounds like the old "He wasn't ever really a Christian" I know, but "Nones" ("I wasn't/am not committed to a religion and haven't necessarily considered if the supernatural exists) and "Atheists" ("I think theists are full of shit") are not the same thing.
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- 26 de Abr, 2019
This is, for me, an interesting conundrum because I was the former when young with an occasional church experience at extended family's insistence and I'm closer to the latter now. I don't necessarily think all theists are flat-out 100 percent wrong, but I don't understand what it is they're seeing, feeling, etc. I can't reconcile a number of things about a number of religions in my head, and every answer I come up with that leaves me feeling satisfied on a logical front falls short of every theist's expectations and experiences. I refuse to subsume my self and my thoughts to a collective of believers - it must stand alone in my mind and heart and make some kind of sense or I want nothing to do with it. I wish them all the best, and I envy them in a fashion, but I will not leave my mind unsatisfied just to make my heart happy.