Culture Being An "Affluent Homeless" Is Becoming Popular. - Owning as little as possible and using other people's stuff is emerging as the answer to the millennial's economy.

tl:dr = The new hip thing is to own nothing except an IphoneX and a Macbook Pro, have a P.O. box and leech, borrow, co-share everything else. Because the NEW economy is instagram posts and experiences.




More young people are leaning into the rental or sharing economy — owning less of everything and renting and sharing a whole lot more. Housing, cars, music, workspaces. In some places, such as Los Angeles, this rental life has gone to an extreme.

Steven T. Johnson, 27, works in social media advertising and lives in Hollywood. He spends most of his days using things he does not own.
He takes a ride-share service to get to the gym; he does not own a car. At the gym, he rents a locker. He uses the gym's laundry service because he does not own a washing machine.

Johnson doesn't even have an apartment, actually. He rents a bed in a large room with other people who rent beds, for nights, weeks or months at a time, through a service called PodShare. All the residents share a kitchen and bathrooms. Johnson also rents a desk at WeWork, a coworking space.

And he says the only clothes he owns are two versions of the same outfit.

Johnson says he owns so little that he has even been able to get rid of his backpack. "I gave that up two months ago," he says.

He says that for him, this lifestyle isn't cumbersome or confusing. "That's what's great," he says. "When you don't own things, you don't have to keep track of them. You just show up."

He's part of a newish group of young people. He is educated and owns his own business. He could be considered well off, but he is also, in a way, homeless. By choice.

There are two big reasons for this shift: the price of housing and student loan debt. A little more than a third of millennials currently own homes, a rate lower than Generation X and baby boomers when they were the same age.

But is there something else going on as well? Does Johnson represent a fundamental shift in American capitalism as we know it?

Skyler Wang, a Ph.D. student at the University of California, Berkeley who studies the sharing economy, says even if young people own less and are less enamored with ownership than their parents may be, they still have a lot of stuff — it's just not tangible.

"I talked to a lot of minimalists," Wang says. "They're the type of people who love to couch-surf. They own like 30 things, but ... they hoard digitally. They have tons of photographs. They have thousands and thousands of Instagram posts."

They still live in an economy of stuff — it's just different stuff. It's experiences.

How do businesses deal with this? For starters, a lot more companies are getting into rentals. Even Ikea is starting to lease its furniture.

The outdoor chain REI announced recently it is vastly expanding its rental program for things like camping gear. Eric Artz, acting CEO of the company, says this requires a different kind of outreach.

"We're selling joy," he says. "We're selling inspiration when you get out on a trail or go for a bike ride. We're selling the adrenaline buzz at the end of a run, and we're just trying to enable that in any way we possibly can."

Juliet Schor, a sociologist at Boston College who studies the rental and sharing economies, says not everyone is in it for the same reasons. Some are doing it just for enjoyment. Some are doing it to move toward transactions that are less corporate and more personal. Others are willing to spend more for convenience.

But a lot rent and share because they're broke and they need to save money.

"I think it's a mistake to characterize them ... with one kind of economic orientation or orientation to money," Schor says.

That makes it really hard to predict whether renting and sharing is our long-term future, or just a fad — even for Johnson, who is totally plugged in to a rental life.

"It's not something that you can do forever, because you do need to have a place that you can genuinely point to and say, this is my home," he says.
 
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I can't imagine that using a ride-share service every day or every other day is cheaper than owning a 10-year-old car that gets decent mileage, is it?
I can also confirm all those ride shares he does are going to add up fast. Uber and Lyft love getting you with congestion surcharges.

Don't these ride share services also add surcharges for high demand/volume regardless of the time of day?

I know someone that couldn't afford the insurance on her car. She chose having no vehicle and using ride sharing over downgrading to a car she could better afford to maintain. As a result, she seems to commute only to and from work and any other required places. If fees and surcharges are part of any ride, no matter how short or basic, this has to add up fast for her and anyone else using them to the point owning or leasing a vehicle is equally attractive in terms of cost. Because she relies on ride sharing and can't go wherever whenever, she hardly visits family now - and possibly friends - turning herself into a working recluse. How is this is a better quality of life?

I've heard of Twitch streamers spending $50-100 a day on delivery from companies like Door Dash because pizza is too unhealthy and they don't have time to buy groceries or learn how to cook. The delivery fees are like $10-15. I balk at the $2 fee my local place charges when I'm feeling lazy.

At one point, I believe lolcow Brianna Wu shilled for a meal kit company that ships ready-to-prepare meal ingredients with both a hefty markup and delivery fees that make it far more cost efficient to buy the food at the local supermarket and prepare it one's self. Because people today seem to have fewer "adulting" skills, though, they're willing to pay for stuff like this - blissfully unaware there are cheaper options. Heck there are many basic recipes for simple meals on the internet that require minimal groceries and effort.

He works in “social media management” so any student debt from that sounds like he wasted his time.

As much as I'd agree with you that such a degree is about as useful as a seven-dollar bill, college debt has grown at near out-of-control rates. Within the past year or two, I checked tuition at the university from where I graduated. Since graduation, tuition has tripled where as inflation has only been 62% in those ensuing years (calculator). When inflation-adjusted wages aren't keeping up with annual tuition hikes, student debt isn't too surprising. That's what makes proper career planning more important so that one doesn't go into debt with a useless degree, little to no career prospects, and no way to pay off a debt that won't go away short of paying off every last cent.

Reading the article, I saw that those idiots are paying $900/month to live in a bunk bed. That's more than my mortgage.
I don't disagree with the purest and most simplified version of this philosophy.

Don't own shit you don't need. Pirsig and Kerouac wrote whole books about this idea.

There's nothing wrong with trying to live minimally. For example, knowing you have 50 clothing outfits and giving away half when you realize you only wear 25 of them during the course of a year is probably a good idea. Similarly, looking to minimize expenses with utilities and living arrangements is a reasonable way to stretch one's dollars. Additionally, builders in some areas have constructed houses with minimal square footage for low-income (and usually single) people that maybe have three rooms tops: bedroom, dinette/kitchen, and utility room. This gives these people a true place of their own with minimal overhead and utility costs so they can afford the privacy and benefits that come with home ownership.

These people that think they're saving money by:
  • Grifting from friends or strangers;
  • Living in 21st-century flophouses that could be full of filth, disease, bed bugs or worse,
  • Renting everything they can, most likely at rates that cost them more than ownership of said items in the long run; and
  • Expecting to leave cheaply or freely off the kindness of others that's never guaranteed
... are likely not doing themselves the favors they think they are. However, the lack of critical thinking and money management skills keeps them from realizing this.

For as shitty as it would be for me should the internet drop off for an extended time, at least I have pre-internet experience in the adult world and don't have my identity associated with it.

Having no or intermittent internet for any extended time stinks. However, those of us that lived before the internet became a thing know there are other things to do without it. As an example, let's take the 2003 power outage that affected a large portion of the US. The people in my neighborhood decided to have an impromptu block party where the long-time neighbors ended up meeting and becoming familiar with newer ones - something that might not have happened otherwise. Others spent time doing activities that didn't require electricity or internet usage and enjoyed the solitude that temporarily came from living technology-free for about 12-24 hours.

Those that have grown up so entwined with internet access that they know no other way would undoubtedly have issues trying to cope without something they've taken for granted all their life.
 
What gets me is that these people are all talking about renting coworking spaces, meaning they don't have jobs they have to show up for in person and are working online. Get the fuck out of Manhattan or San Francisco and go work remotely from someplace cheap like the midwest or the Gulf Coast. If you want to travel you can go overseas and live out of AirBNB condos for a fraction of the cost of your stupid bunk bed and save up money to not live like a hobo when you come back.
 
Biggest problem imo is these hipsters go to cities like Hollywood and then are astounded that everything is expensive.

For real. If you can't afford the city you're in, go fucking somewhere else. Save some cash. Fuck me, decent houses in the UP of Michigan go up for sale for $35K all day and all night.
 
  • Living in 21st-century flophouses that could be full of filth, disease, bed bugs or worse,

This is why you should be really leery to let any of these hipster fucks couch surf anywhere you own or rent because they could easily pick up bed bugs in one of these flophouses and then just bring them along, costing you thousands or even tens of thousands in getting rid of those persistent little buggers.
 
I too was a homeless once. Had a car though and I traveled from state to state doing little odd jobs and shit. Then I grew up and got a job so I could be miserable like the rest of America.
 
I believe that large units with individual beds and shared everything used to be called "flophouses."

But now they're very hip and cool and Vice thinks we should just get used to it.
I was imagining large "families" piling into places that are meant to hold two people. you're right though, flophouse is a better word for the shit in the op
 
This is why you should be really leery to let any of these hipster fucks couch surf anywhere you own or rent because they could easily pick up bed bugs in one of these flophouses and then just bring them along, costing you thousands or even tens of thousands in getting rid of those persistent little buggers.

Used to know someone who worked in a lab studying those nightmares from Hell. If you get some of the more resilient ones in your home, you're basically fucked. There is no guaranteed pest management process to deal with them. At minimum, you toss your clothes, bedding, mattresses, and even your carpet. At most, they own your home now. And to top it all off, homeowner's and tenant's policies exclude vermin and infestations. So you're double fucked.
 
I believe that large units with individual beds and shared everything used to be called "flophouses."
or just Camp. im all for it, just install the special showers for those Hippie Gypsis. Porajmos worked before...
 
Amazing how we've embraced two extremes - Consumerist nut or dumbass hipster that "borrows" things.

Minimalism = Be a normal person and don't spend like a woman.
 
I lived in a barracks with a group ofblack girls who would sit and shriek at the top of their lungs until after 12am, at which point they would finally shut the fuck up. I then had to get up at 4am to get to work. Asking them to please keep their voices down only resulted in them reaching pitches only known from jet engines at takeoff before their existence. After a week or so of that I was having fantasies of gutting each of them. The second I was able to move out of that situation I left vapor trails. There was a goddamn sonic boom from me moving my possessions.
Was this military? Or civilian barracks?

You know, the other day my local library got this really cool book in and called me that it made it. I went to pick it up, and it started pouring so I said F it i'll sit this out. Chilled read it, had free chargers, wifi.

I felt like bum even though I pay a shit ton in property tax, to be honest it was pretty nice but using a public space as a charging station gave me some shame.

Storm flew by I drove him and finished the book. Why am I telling this story? Because picture doing this, but not reading a book, or going home and then bragging about it.

I guess shame is the least woke thing people can have.

I will say in many ways consumerism and clutter is a problem in society, I threw out a lot of junk I don't need in life, but I still have what I do need to make it and slowly replace things with better quality.

Also part of me says "aim low and you always hit" mindset. It's easy to be the richest hobo, just work 3 hours a month at micky D's.
I disagree about the bum part. Your taxes helped pay for the library; taking shelter from the rain, reading a book, and using the charger are hardly worth shame.

There's an auto-service place in town that gives pretty solid work -- you have to show up early if you want to get out quick, and even then I'm usually there for about an hour to hour and a half. But they have free wifi, charging stations, complimentary coffee and hot chocolate, and little desk-cubicles. I can come in with breakfast, quietly eat, then hook up my laptop and play games or fart around on the Internet till the work's done.

I don't know if I'm paying more for the services I'm getting (usually tire rotation and oil chance), but the comforts are enough to keep me coming back there :)
 
What's going to happen to these people when Instagram goes out of business
How are the masses who have the majority of their lives projected into the internet going to react if/when whatever service they use goes dark?
Almost everything they own is digital data "experiences?" One major disaster like an EMP strike or war -- or even just something like a tech company going under -- would be all it would take to likely make them regret their lifestyle.

a future where your access to anything can be taken away in an instant
[something about life imitating art]
 
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I say pod living is emblematic of the Socialist Utopia the upper 1% would like us all to be living in.
 
These commie fucks believe so strongly in "owning the means of production", but they don't want to own the products of production? What fucking progress toward an equal society can they think they're making when they want to surrender control of everything they need to live over to corporations that rent out vital services in exchange for you never tweeting anything that offends them or voting for the wrong candidate? Private ownership and money protect individuals against the power structure, not the other way around. If you own your stuff then a greedy company can't just turn it off to bilk you. If fed-backed money is the basis of credit to exchange goods and services then a tech giant with aspirations of world domination can't just make you a pauper by deciding that your wealth magically no longer exists just because they don't want you to have it.
 
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..I guess these specimens' wet dream would be a return of the poorhouses of the high middle ages? Imagine having a place you can live your whole life without ever paying rent! Except you weren't allowed to just sit around fucking your bad dragon toy all day on other peoples' expense, of course, you were set to work. They commonly even had a system of auctioning off your children for you, imagine how convenient! Honestly, broke hipsters would definitely provide more infinitely more net utility if you shipped them off to work in camps growing corn or whatever than they currently do with their social studies degrees and gofundme begging, so I say go for it.

Seriously, though, the right to property has been so thoroughly explored as the quintessential right necessary for the derivation of things like rights to speech, privacy, and by extension general agency -- indeed, second only to the right to life -- that a failure to appreciate it as such is indicative of such a misguided and uninformed perception of reality it should be listed as a disorder in the DSM
 
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Honestly, broke hipsters would definitely provide more infinitely more net utility if you shipped them off to work in camps growing corn or whatever than they currently do with their social studies degrees and gofundme begging, so I say go for it.

You'd instantly have a plague of bats and stray dogs, attracted when the hipsters' whining went ultrasonic. Why do you think the 1% want to replace them with Third-World peasants to do "jobs Americans won't do"?
 
that a failure to appreciate it as such is indicative of such a misguided and uninformed perception of reality it should be listed as a disorder in the DSM
It would just plain suck to be that dependent on others anyway -- especially in some "hip" city lifestyle. Hunter-gatherers from eons ago were more independent than they are.
 
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