Avengers: Endgame - This is the end, beautiful friend

[Wyzzerd]

I had a weird theory after watching the movie with captain marvel.

She is barely into the film and only in minor parts at the beginning and end. She's in it so little that I wonder if Disney execs forced the directors to put her in the movie. They wanted a super duper girl hero in the avengers and they don't like black widow. You could cut her entirely out of the film and nothing major would be lost other than iron man getting home. Hell, it would remove the cringey gorl powa scene.

Other than the captain plank scenes I had a lot of fun with the movie. Feels good to have seen the end of this story and now we can move on from marvel films into something new and better, hopefully.

 

[One Man Bland]

I had a weird theory after watching the movie with captain marvel.

She is barely into the film and only in minor parts at the beginning and end. She's in it so little that I wonder if Disney execs forced the directors to put her in the movie. They wanted a super duper girl hero in the avengers and they don't like black widow. You could cut her entirely out of the film and nothing major would be lost other than iron man getting home. Hell, it would remove the cringey gorl powa scene.

Other than the captain plank scenes I had a lot of fun with the movie. Feels good to have seen the end of this story and now we can move on from marvel films into something new and better, hopefully.

People have been speculating on this point since even before the film came out.

The general consensus on speculation seems to be that Captain Mehval's inclusion was likely an executive obligation, though "forced" might be too strong a word. CM's production was a troubled one to say the least - changing hands several times, tons of rewrites delays out the ass - and according to Fiege it took forever to figure out where in the release schedule CM would even fit. It seems by the time CM was in a position where it could reasonably start being promoted, Infinity War was pretty much done and Endgame was already in production. Regardless of how the creative teams might've felt about Captain Marvel or Larson, they still would've likely been hesitant to give CM any major role when her film's production was still up in the air when Infinity War and Endgame were being written.

tl;dr Captain Marvel wasn't finished in time to be released before Infinity War but had too many pre-IW/Endgame related plot points to be released for Phase 4 after Endgame, so her promo in the former and inclusion in the latter was likely a late compromise to market her movie and attempt to garner interest for her being in future installments what with swaths of the previous cast members unlikely to return. Whether or not that will be effective in the long term is a matter of wait-n-see though.

 

[Scratch This Nut]

People have been speculating on this point since even before the film came out.

The general consensus on speculation seems to be that Captain Mehval's inclusion was likely an executive obligation, though "forced" might be too strong a word. CM's production was a troubled one to say the least - changing hands several times, tons of rewrites delays out the ass - and according to Fiege it took forever to figure out where in the release schedule CM would even fit. It seems by the time CM was in a position where it could reasonably start being promoted, Infinity War was pretty much done and Endgame was already in production. Regardless of how the creative teams might've felt about Captain Marvel or Larson, they still would've likely been hesitant to give CM any major role when her film's production was still up in the air when Infinity War and Endgame were being written.

tl;dr Captain Marvel wasn't finished in time to be released before Infinity War but had too many pre-IW/Endgame related plot points to be released for Phase 4 after Endgame, so her promo in the former and inclusion in the latter was likely a late compromise to market her movie and attempt to garner interest for her being in future installments what with swaths of the previous cast members unlikely to return. Whether or not that will be effective in the long term is a matter of wait-n-see though.

Thor managed to get a great movie after a few standalone disappointments. I’m gonna be optimistic, because boy was CM a disappointment.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

MCU fans are feeling really fucking passionate about seeing Endgame surpass Avatar. They're talking about the money earned from seeing it as many times as possible like it were relief money for an earthquake or oil spill.

I doubt Disney minds either way, considering they own both franchises.

How do they react to Gone With the Wind?

 

[One Man Bland]

Thor managed to get a great movie after a few standalone disappointments. I’m gonna be optimistic, because boy was CM a disappointment.

I respect that. The two things that make me less than optimistic is that with Thor, as mediocre as the first 2 movies are (I get why people liked Ragnarok, but I personally couldn't get into it) he at least had the benefits of strong comedic moments with a funny, charismatic actor that were able to salvage the character despite the weak story and script. Even Black Panther, as overrated as it was, still manages to do this with Chadwick Boseman, and the main character is stronger for it. So far they don't seem willing to do the same for Captain Marvel and the style of humor clearly isn't playing to Larson's strengths.

Another thing that I can't help but notice is that Captain Marvel has next to nothing in terms of a supporting cast, which I think will ultimately bite them in the ass. Sure, there's Nick Fury, but you can't put all the heavy lifting onto a single side character or continue to swipe the cast from other, better films.

 

[Zhoban]

How do they react to Gone With the Wind?

The first reply that addressed the adjustment for inflation was literally received with, "BuT wHaT aBoUt InFlAtIoN?" Very mature.

 

[InsultThis]

It was a good movie but Captain Universe was not in it.

 

[BrunoMattei]

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

The first reply that addressed the adjustment for inflation was literally received with, "BuT wHaT aBoUt InFlAtIoN?" Very mature.

Go figure. There's other factors that makes older movies on that still rank on the list more impressive. Less theaters/people in general, no giant Chinese market, etc.

I mean shit, they will still show screenings of GWtW even as it gets closer to being 100 years old.

Gets a bit irritating how people get so tied up in these earnings wars, as if it somehow justifies their enjoyment from watching the movie. Especially capeshit movies. Who's going to care about Endgame a year from now? .

 

[That Chris Guy]

Considering what happens in Endgame, had a speed watch of Iron Mans 1, 2 & 3, The Avengers, Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War prior to viewing it. Pretty much all you need really.

I thought it was a good film, certainly better than most of their library (which I already held a low opinion of). It's worth the watch and a good stopping point for me. I don't care about Shang Chi or whatever other gunk Disney can scrape out of Marvel's toenails - it was a good conclusion that needs no continuation in my book.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Avatar was at least a passion project and not soulless corporate garbage. Say what you will about Avatar but at least it wasn't that.

Inb4 "THOSE IDIOTS THOUGHT THIS MOVIE WOULD FLOP EVEN THOUGH NO ONE SAID THIS HAHAHAHA CAN'T WAIT FOR X-MEN AND FANTASTIC FO--OH WAIT WHY ARE THESE MOVIES STARTING TO FLOP AND WHY ARE THEY PC GARBAGE OH SHIT HELP ME!!!!"

I liked Avatar better when it was Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson.

 

[MI 814]

I liked Avatar better when it was Call Me Joe by Poul Anderson.

When did I say I loved Avatar? I mean, it's definitely gotten way more hate than it deserves but funnily, people would rather watch movies made by a soulless corporation that doesn't try to do anything remotely ambitious and legit has hatred of certain demographics.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

When did I say I loved Avatar? I mean, it's definitely gotten way more hate than it deserves but funnily, people would rather watch movies made by a soulless corporation that doesn't try to do anything remotely ambitious and legit has hatred of certain demographics.

I didn't say you loved it.

I said I liked it better as Call Me Joe.

 

[MI 814]

I didn't say you loved it.

I said I liked it better as Call Me Joe.

By that logic Alita wasn't a passion project either

 

[TenMilesWide]

By that logic Alita wasn't a passion project either

It wasn't, hollywood lizardmen have no passion for anything but the flesh of human infants.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

When did I say I loved Avatar? I mean, it's definitely gotten way more hate than it deserves but funnily, people would rather watch movies made by a soulless corporation that doesn't try to do anything remotely ambitious and legit has hatred of certain demographics.

We get it, you think Disney is evil or the devil or whatever.

 

[CheezzyMach]

You seem kinda upset for no real reason other than “I didn’t like this movie as much as everyone else”, dude. It’s okay.

He's been like that ever since Brie Larson didn't single-handedly sink the MCU like the Titanic by saying some dumb shit in an interview.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

When you couldn't care less about Marvel or DC movies but you lurk this thread for spoilers anyway to watch any reeeeing.

I'm the same way when it comes to Star Wars.

My Youtube feed is outright embarrassing from the amount of videos about how bad it is I watch. (I'm sure the algorithm thinks I'm a legit SW fanboy, or fan of any kind... which hurts )

 

[XYZpdq]

By that logic Alita wasn't a passion project either

Cameron didn't know the comics went past the first collected volume until somebody writing Avatar told him.

 

[UnKillFill]

Finally got a chance to see the movie tonight. I have some thoughts in random order. (NOT SPOILER - I liked it a lot.)

Spoiler

-I don't remember a time any times recently that I popped as hard as I popped for Cap wielding Thor's hammer. So good.
-Captain Marvel was barely a part of this movie, and that was the correct move. (Having not seen her solo film, and I won't- just gonna say, she shouldn't even be a part of the MCU at all. Even with her limited screen time, she was portrayed here as being so ridiculously OP, that I can't even imagine how the rest of the MCU drama even continues now. With how she's been portrayed, pretty much every Marvel movie so far (Including Infinity War) would have ended in minutes, if not seconds if she had just been there, and I can't stop myself from thinking that in any future movies.
-I think a lot of people didn't like (fat)Thor's portrayal in this, I kind of loved every bit of it... To the point where even though I was pissed off that Disney rehired the pedo who directed GOTG 1 and 2, I will still probably go see Asguardians of the Galaxy, even if he's directing it.
-I've hated Ruffalo as Banner/Hulk pretty much ever since he took over the role, I didn't buy him as a super smart scientist, I bought him as a doofus. (He was just "ok" to me in Thor 3) yet I loved him as Professor Hulk, I don't even know why.
-Tony's ending was perfect...
-I liked Cap's ending, except... Up until now, Falcon has barely been a character. I just don't see him as Captain America in the MCU (I know he was Captain America in the comics, which worked there as he was actually a character there.) I don't think the dude they picked is interesting enough to headline a movie. Guess I'm a racist, I would have preferred that Steve picked Bucky.
-As others have said, the "all teh wammenz fight now" scene was dumb. Mostly because of how obvious it was that they were doing that. (Mantis in particular had no business being there as she isn't even a fighter.) Really though, my bigger problem was even in the context of the movie, Captain Marvel didn't need any backup- all vagina or otherwise... seeing as how powerful she is. My only real question is... If she's so freaking powerful (and in the few minutes they give Danvers in this film, they show that she is) Why didn't she do the Anti-Thanos snap herself when she had the gauntlet? She clearly could have survived it. She's portrayed as being hella stronger than Banner/Hulk (who had already survived the "bring everybody back snap") I'm not even really sure what her plan was...
-I didn't want to be that guy, but the time travel in this movie had some fucking stupid in it. They clearly wanted to have their cake and eat it too. They explicitly state: "You can't change the past, any alterations to the past result in an alternate timeline" That makes sense... I even get how there's now an alternate Gamora running around in the present who never met Quill or the other guardians (and will hopefully run into them again in Asguardians of the Galaxy). But Steve going back in time and having the life he "should have had" while neat, changed the time line... He should not have been an old man in the present, he should be an old man in the "present" of an alternate timeline by the rules they themselves laid out.
-I can forgive all the shit though, I still loved this movie.