Avengers: Endgame - This is the end, beautiful friend

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I thought the girl power scene would be cringier, but it was relatively subtle

Infinity War was better, this one had "ok" first and second acts and a pretty good climax and ending.
 
One Man Bland dijo:
Fair enough, though I'd argue that sort of immediate audience response is still not a strong measure of audience engagement or long-term sustainability. Many (and I'd argue most) of the recent MCU flicks might be porridge, but if the entire franchise was only porridge it wouldn't have last 11 years; and it's no surprise that to this day the films that are most frequently seen on people's top 5 all time favorite MCU films are the ones released in 2014 and earlier when Marvel's formulaic habits hadn't completely set in yet despite MCU films consistently reviewing well making profit.

As I've said in another thread, it'll certainly be interesting to see how long before the MCU eventually runs out of steam with some of their biggest draws like Iron Man and Captain America gracefully leaving the series and the chance of another Thor film being up in the air. I've seen people excited for Spiderman and GOTG 3 (though part of it I wonder is because of the Jame Gunn debacle) but no one seems exactly clamoring for the prospect of Dr. Strange 2, and I've been hard pressed to find someone who's actually seen Ant Man and Wasp much less someone who remembers seeing it enough to want a 3rd film. There's also just the matter that while the "see it, enjoy it well enough, but immediately forget it" model works okay for ticket sales, it tends not to spread to other avenues like merch sales. Something I noticed during the release of Captain Marvel was that one of the Disney stores near me set a HUGE display for her and all her merch - about an entire wall's worth of stuff - but following the film's release it hasn't gotten a lot of attention from customers.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong and Phase 4 will witness a massive MCU revival and characters like Captain Marvel will make a billion dollars no problem without the hype boost from one of the franchise's most anticipated films to back it up. It just seems extremely unlikely to me.

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It seems to me anything being controlled by Disney right now is either stagnating or is going to stagnate. Marvel needs to step up their game again and stop playing it safe if they want us to care about more superhero movies, but knows if the mouse will let them. I'm glad they don't let Perlmutter touch the movie stuff, but Disney themselves are proving that they aren't good for Marvel either at this point time.

I'm looking forward to GOTG 3, but I was going to skip it if James Gunn didn't come back because he gave those movies such a unique style that I find it hard to believe anyone else could pull it off (aside from Taika Watiti, and even then...). I like the new Spiderman, Tom Holland brings a nice enthusiasm to him, so I'll be seeing Far From Home. If they want a female led superhero movie, anything with Scarlet Witch or Valkyrie would be nice (I'd love to see Valkyrie doing more fighting, I think she's pretty badass), but I won't be looking forward to a new CM movie until they can find a better writer and Brie Larson cuts her shit. But you're right, I'm not really forward to anything else from them right now.
 
The girl power scene in a vacuum is completely inoffensive and actually kinda cool but when I was watching it I could only think about the inevitable tumblr idiots jerking each other off about how great a stride it is for female representation or w/e.

I'm not really looking forward to more from any of the current MCU characters except spider-man, but whatever they do to roll in the fox acquisitions will be interesting to see.

I really hope they can make captain marvel a more interesting character in her sequels, they managed to do it for thor so really who knows.

Maybe they could introduce the fantastic 4 with galactus smacking CM around some, that'd be a chuckle.
 
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I'm looking forward to GOTG 3, but I was going to skip it if James Gunn didn't come back because he gave those movies such a unique style that I find it hard to believe anyone else could pull it off (aside from Taika Watiti, and even then...). I like the new Spiderman, Tom Holland brings a nice enthusiasm to him, so I'll be seeing Far From Home. If they want a female led superhero movie, anything with Scarlet Witch or Valkyrie would be nice (I'd love to see Valkyrie doing more fighting, I think she's pretty badass), but I won't be looking forward to a new CM movie until they can find a better writer and Brie Larson cuts her shit. But you're right, I'm not really forward to anything else from them right now.
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I'm waiting for a trailer before I consider seeing GotG 3 since the second one was so thoroughly "meh" to me even with Gunn's involvement, and while I have nothing against Holland as Spiderman I ended up never seeing Homecoming because it looked like it was going to be a whole lot of ".... and the prom is TOMORROW" and "how do you do fellow kids" jokes that I was already cringing at in Civil War - and the fact that it seemed like Disney picked the most baby faced person Hollywood could find so that they could keep Spiderman in high school perpetually kinda put me off too. Might see it eventually, but Endgame has been a satisfying enough conclusion for that I don't feel the need to see more.
 
neural dijo:
I watched it in one of the "international markets" you were referring to, and I can confirm that it didn't get dubbed over.
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That's curious. Which one? I wrote that comment in regards to China or Russia, so if it's one of them I'll be sincerely surprised.
 
One Man Bland dijo:
I'm waiting for a trailer before I consider seeing GotG 3 since the second one was so thoroughly "meh" to me even with Gunn's involvement, and while I have nothing against Holland as Spiderman I ended up never seeing Homecoming because it looked like it was going to be a whole lot of ".... and the prom is TOMORROW" and "how do you do fellow kids" jokes that I was already cringing at in Civil War - and the fact that it seemed like Disney picked the most baby faced person Hollywood could find so that they could keep Spiderman in high school perpetually kinda put me off too. Might see it eventually, but Endgame has been a satisfying enough conclusion for that I don't feel the need to see more.
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I skipped Homecoming too, still haven't seen it in fact, but from what I've seen, Far From Home looks like it might have a better story. It feels like the solo films are being treated like they don't matter, but they do, because why would I want to see the movies with the ensemble cast if I don't care about the characters. Spiderman is lucky that he was written well enough for Civil War (even if he was a last minute addition) and Infinity War/Endgame.

I still enjoyed GOTG 2 even if the story wasn't as good as the first one because I feel like the characters were still well written and thought Mantis was a nice addition who makes for good interaction with Drax. I think Thor might instill some new life because of how well he gets on with the crew and how he and Starlord butt heads. We'll see how it goes though.
 
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I didn't mind the girl power scene because it was full of characters I liked (the exception being the bland Captain Marvel).
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Yet few of them know one another, nor do they make any collective effort to transport the glove.

Also, it wouldn't be as bad if the movie didn't end in THE FUTURE IS A BLACK AMERICA as well. In pursuing diversity they only made diversity quite as forced, even if it isn't.
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
To paraphrase Bane, my mentality before seeing the movie was, "Once Endgame is finished, then you have my permission to die."

Seriously, I am so satisfied with this ending that I think it's a suitable bookend for the MCU altogether. If Marvel wants to become full-on exceptional and cringy with identity politics from this point on, I don't even care. Don't get me wrong, I won't waste my time watching it if that's the direction they're headed, but I'm not going to get mad about it. The Infinity Saga was a great 11-year ride that I will probably never see the likes of again in my lifetime. I'm so thankful for what the MCU has done.

When it comes to Captain Marvel, the Russos clearly tried to appease all sorts of fans and the movie studio. They were forced to shoehorn in Captain Marvel (and I still believe she's very shoehorned-- she should have been saved for AFTER the Infinity Saga), and I truly think the Russos did the best with what they were given. It's nice that she's barely in the movie, but it's also nice for Captain Marvel fans because she did some useful things, too. We seriously got the best case scenario with her in this movie; she didn't ruin the film AT ALL for me. Thank god.

And Thanos hit her during their struggle with the Gauntlet, which was great. lol. Thanos completely won that fight and delivered a K.O. to her! A lot of fans are complaining that Carol was still overpowered when she went toe-to-toe with Thanos, but it seems that not many people noticed that when she was holding onto the Gauntlet to try to get it off Thanos, she was absorbing the power of the Infinity Stones. That's why Thanos' headbutt had no effect on her, not because "Captain Marvel is THAT strong on her own." Thanos won because he's a much smarter fighter, and he grabbed the Power Stone to bitch slap her and toss her aside.

The Russos exposed Carol's weakness: She's not a strategic fighter in the slightest. She's actually a very dumb fighter, and that's why someone like Tony was the one to defeat Thanos, and not her.

It's as if all of the toxic men in Carol's life were 100% right about telling her to keep her emotions in check. LOL. It's easy to see that she needs to refine her fighting skills, and it's kind of sad that she's had these powers for 25 years and hasn't improved upon them.
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Pretty much agree. I don't really care that much what they do to the series at this point. This was a film that hit all the right notes. This and most of the movies that preceded it will be remembered fondly.
 
Cactus Wings dijo:
Yet few of them know one another, nor do they make any collective effort to transport the glove.

Also, it wouldn't be as bad if the movie didn't end in THE FUTURE IS A BLACK AMERICA as well. In pursuing diversity they only made diversity quite as forced, even if it isn't.
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Funny. I didn't get that vibe at all when Cap said "this is your America now."

Cap has always been about the individual, even in the MCU. To me, it came across as him speaking to Sam as an individual. It also came more across as "This is your mission/duty now" instead of "The future is black" to me.
 
There's a guy in the cast of something I'm in right now that saw Endgame this morning and he is legitimately depressed and has his head between his legs as I type this. Somebody teased him about something and his eyes welled up with tears.

Fucking nerd.

EDIT: This boy legitimately looks like he's gonna go home and commit life'nt.

EDIT: So I just now found out that he's actually, legitimately, autistic.
 
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From what I’ve seen, most people seem to be relatively okay with the girl power scene expect for the long pose scene. Like had they just removed that and just showed all the women helpless no out, it probably wouldn’t have come off so pandering.

EDIT: Okay, so I was watching a podcast on the movie and someone pointed out an explanation for how Old Captain America is there on the bench: The Ancient One said that if a stone is removed from time, it creates a alternate timeline. But Steven put all the stones back, so he’d still be in the same reality. He just had to let things happen the way they happened and not drastically affect anything from that point on.
 
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SteelPlatedHeart dijo:
From what I’ve seen, most people seem to be relatively okay with the girl power scene expect for the long pose scene. Like had they just removed that and just showed all the women helpless no out, it probably wouldn’t have come off so pandering.

EDIT: Okay, so I was watching a podcast on the movie and someone pointed out an explanation for how Old Captain America is there on the bench: The Ancient One said that if a stone is removed from time, it creates a alternate timeline. But Steven put all the stones back, so he’d still be in the same reality. He just had to let things happen the way they happened and not drastically affect anything from that point on.
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I just figured Old!Cap was just Cap from another timeline where the same shit happened.
 
I enjoyed it, though it was a bit predictable. A lot of the major story points were telegraphed quite hard, but it ended how it needed to, so I wasn't particularly bothered.

Though they did contradict themselves with the time travel stuff because in one scene they say that messing with time won't create a paradox, because your past is the past and the past you're in is just your future. But if that's the case then Steve going back shouldn't have resulted in him being an old man in their time line, since their past can't be affected by his future, because that would either create a paradox or require him to have always went back and time and always been alive during everything this entire time. For the latter to work though, Steve Rogers needs to never leave the house and Peggy would have to pretend he was dead for decades. and they NEVER get found out? If that's what they're going for, that's the most implausible thing in this whole film.

Also, lol @ people criticizing Thor's story for fat-shaming.
 
JohnDoe dijo:
It was the inclusion of Michonne in that part that really tipped it over for me. I was almost ready to just lie back and think of Stan for the obligatory girl power section (which is sexist as fuck btw) but she's there? Why? Sure she's badass for a human, but she's basically a exceptional special forces spearchucker with a vibranium spear.



Hard agree. Scarlet Witch is powerful, she's been around for a while, and she's interesting. Her actress can actually act, and she has a lot of charisma. Brie Larson spent the entire movie looking like she was failing to hold back a shart.
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I think the only defence of that part is perhaps as a counterfoil to the scores of all male groups we've seen square up to the "big bad" so it (the girl power) perhaps is more of a statement that asks us to suspend disbelief (more than we already are) with regards to their lack of skills.....

Re Okoye/Michonne being involved it was key for plot. Most of the females with an axe to grind. ALso the blue worked I imagine.

Re Brie - the hair? Is she actually gonna lez out?
 
At the risk of autistically comparing blockbuster series with other blockbuster series, this is definitely the Return of the Jedi to Infinity War's Empire Strikes Back. It was pretty good, but not as good as its predecessor. I think I'm content stopping here, barring maybe watching the next Guardians of the Galaxy, as the one character I really care all that much about has their story continue there.
 
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