Autopsies can uphold white supremacy - They have long provided scientific and medical excuses for white killings of nonwhite people

Autopsies can uphold white supremacy
They have long provided scientific and medical excuses for white killings of nonwhite people

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Elizabeth Kolsky is associate professor of history and faculty director of the Albert Lepage Center for History in the Public Interest at Villanova University. She is the author of "Colonial Justice in British India: White Violence and the Rule of Law."

By Elizabeth Kolsky / June 3, 2020 at 10:00 a.m. UTC

On Friday, the state of Minnesota filed a criminal complaint against former police officer Derek Chauvin, charging him with third-degree murder in the death of George Floyd. The charge sheet presented the preliminary findings of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s autopsy, which asserted that Floyd’s death was caused by a combination of factors, including his underlying health conditions such as “coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease.” Minnesota’s complaint states that “the autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.” Three days later, an independent medical examiner hired by Floyd’s family determined that the cause of death was asphyxia from neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain. Within a few hours, the Hennepin County medical examiner released its final public report, which stated that the manner of death was homicide.

Why do autopsy reports matter? Because they are often the most critical piece of evidence in murder cases. Autopsy reports produced by specially trained medical personnel are seen as neutral and objective documents, which give them political power. The preliminary findings of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s report, for example, used the veneer of scientific respectability to advance the outrageous claim that Floyd was partly responsible for his own death — something we know is untrue, given the subsequent reports. This has happened before. Over 100 years ago in India, the use of medical evidence in legal proceedings, which was supposed to secure justice, actually helped white murderers get off the hook. And it threatens to undermine justice again today.

The 19th-century British colonial state in India was a regime of conquest that sought legitimacy through the promise of fair and equal justice. The colonial legal system established in India included modern scientific methods of judicial inquiry — postmortems, toxicology, fingerprinting — that promised to make criminal investigations more trustworthy and reliable. And yet, Europeans who murdered Indians found the scales of justice tilted in their favor. Those accused of killing Indians by bludgeoning them with sticks, straps, canes, swords, whips, bricks, kicks and fists routinely presented scientific proof in court that the deceased had died “accidentally.”

White murderers regularly used medical evidence to argue that Indians had frail constitutions and weak insides that made them susceptible to sudden death. The “diseased spleen defense” was the most infamous of these specious arguments. This argument contended that Indians had morbidly enlarged spleens that were predisposed to rupture from a slight blow or a fall. In trials of violent whites, which were invariably overseen by white judges before white juries, medical experts claimed that the internal weakness of the Indian body — rather than the external ferocity of the European attack — was the primary cause of death.

Medical evidence played a prominent role in these cases because science and technology were part of Britain’s civilizing mission. The expansion of the British Empire in the 19th century was justified by the claim that Anglo-Saxons had a moral duty to clean, heal and modernize the “dark corners of the earth” by advancing the reach of railways, hospitals and Western medicine. But medical knowledge and practice in British India, including the use of medical evidence in legal proceedings, reflected racist attitudes about Indian bodies and Indian culture. An English newspaper warned its readers that “Englishmen ought to refrain from striking natives much on the same principle that would restrain them from aiming a blow at a cripple … the average constitution of natives does not fit them for rough treatment.”

For example, in 1903, W.A. Bain, a white tea planter, was tried for killing a worker named Lalsu. No one disputed that Bain had tied up Lalsu and beaten him with a stirrup leather until he fell unconscious and died. Bain was charged with culpable homicide and tried before a jury of white planters. The case turned on the expert testimony of Dr. Candler, who was a social acquaintance of Bain’s. Although Lalsu appeared well outwardly, Candler claimed he was in “weak health” and suffered from heart and lung disease. Bain was acquitted of homicide. Convicted of simple hurt (a lesser offense), he was sentenced to only six months of imprisonment without hard labor.

Such cases sparked public controversy. Bain’s supporters claimed that Europeans should not be punished so “harshly” for deadly assaults on Indians. After all, they argued based on race science, Indians might appear outwardly strong but they were inwardly weak. Indian critics noted with dismay that in the eyes of colonial law, it was virtually impossible for a European to murder an Indian.
In colonial India, whiteness functioned as a license to kill and law and medicine provided alibis. Modern instruments of “civilized” society, like autopsy reports, have historically legitimized racist structures of white supremacy. As the American anti-lynching activist Ida B. Wells famously observed in 1883, “Those who commit the murders write the reports.”

The autopsy should be viewed with this historical context in mind: white power in 19th-century India and 21st-century America, both former British colonies, are built upon the twin piers of law and violence. The autopsy uses the idea of the inwardly weak, the unknowingly frail, the invisible “underlying health conditions” to exonerate white murderers who kill out of disregard for black lives.

The Floyd case sits on a long historical continuum of cases involving legal and extralegal violence against black and brown people in the United States and across Britain’s global empire. A 21st-century version of the “diseased spleen defense” lurks in the shadows of the Hennepin County medical examiner’s autopsy report: Can Officer Chauvin be held responsible for the death of a man with invisible “underlying health conditions”? Although Chauvin’s trial has not yet begun, it appears that a racial wrench may have been introduced into the wheels of justice.

The past is neither dead nor past. The threat of white violence, which sustains white power in subtle and imperceptible ways, sometimes erupts hideously into plain view. Then we see Bain. Or Derek Chauvin, hand in pocket, casually kneeling on the neck of a man pinned to the pavement for nine agonizing minutes as he calls for his dead mother and moans, “I can’t breathe.”
 
The CCP opportunistically funds disruptive elements, but it didn't start this insane line of thought and it doesn't control it.

The Democrat party was supposedly subverted by communists in the 40s, there's only one big place that those came from. All communist damage that you see stems from that subversion. China is simply following in the footsteps of their Slav forebears.
 
Of course she has a degree in history and not in any scientific field.

Absolutely forensic evidence can be manipulated or even entirely concocted to pin a crime on someone. A lot of the time, experts are completely convinced the accused is guilty and believe they're doing right by fabricating or manipulating evidence. They've lost sight of the underlying principle of criminal justice that it's better to let a guilty person go free than falsely convict the innocent. But the solution for this is to hold experts who fuck up on this level accountable, not to claim that forensic science, in itself, is wrong or "racist".
 
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The 19th-century British colonial state in India was a regime of conquest that sought legitimacy through the promise of fair and equal justice. The colonial legal system established in India included modern scientific methods of judicial inquiry — postmortems, toxicology, fingerprinting — that promised to make criminal investigations more trustworthy and reliable. And yet, Europeans who murdered Indians found the scales of justice tilted in their favor. Those accused of killing Indians by bludgeoning them with sticks, straps, canes, swords, whips, bricks, kicks and fists routinely presented scientific proof in court that the deceased had died “accidentally.”

White murderers regularly used medical evidence to argue that Indians had frail constitutions and weak insides that made them susceptible to sudden death. The “diseased spleen defense” was the most infamous of these specious arguments. This argument contended that Indians had morbidly enlarged spleens that were predisposed to rupture from a slight blow or a fall. In trials of violent whites, which were invariably overseen by white judges before white juries, medical experts claimed that the internal weakness of the Indian body — rather than the external ferocity of the European attack — was the primary cause of death.

Medical evidence played a prominent role in these cases because science and technology were part of Britain’s civilizing mission. The expansion of the British Empire in the 19th century was justified by the claim that Anglo-Saxons had a moral duty to clean, heal and modernize the “dark corners of the earth” by advancing the reach of railways, hospitals and Western medicine. But medical knowledge and practice in British India, including the use of medical evidence in legal proceedings, reflected racist attitudes about Indian bodies and Indian culture. An English newspaper warned its readers that “Englishmen ought to refrain from striking natives much on the same principle that would restrain them from aiming a blow at a cripple … the average constitution of natives does not fit them for rough treatment.”

For example, in 1903, W.A. Bain, a white tea planter, was tried for killing a worker named Lalsu. No one disputed that Bain had tied up Lalsu and beaten him with a stirrup leather until he fell unconscious and died. Bain was charged with culpable homicide and tried before a jury of white planters. The case turned on the expert testimony of Dr. Candler, who was a social acquaintance of Bain’s. Although Lalsu appeared well outwardly, Candler claimed he was in “weak health” and suffered from heart and lung disease. Bain was acquitted of homicide. Convicted of simple hurt (a lesser offense), he was sentenced to only six months of imprisonment without hard labor.

Such cases sparked public controversy. Bain’s supporters claimed that Europeans should not be punished so “harshly” for deadly assaults on Indians. After all, they argued based on race science, Indians might appear outwardly strong but they were inwardly weak. Indian critics noted with dismay that in the eyes of colonial law, it was virtually impossible for a European to murder an Indian.
In colonial India, whiteness functioned as a license to kill and law and medicine provided alibis. Modern instruments of “civilized” society, like autopsy reports, have historically legitimized racist structures of white supremacy. As the American anti-lynching activist Ida B. Wells famously observed in 1883, “Those who commit the murders write the reports.”

The autopsy should be viewed with this historical context in mind: white power in 19th-century India and 21st-century America, both former British colonies, are built upon the twin piers of law and violence. The autopsy uses the idea of the inwardly weak, the unknowingly frail, the invisible “underlying health conditions” to exonerate white murderers who kill out of disregard for black lives.

Not only would autopsy procedures be significantly shittier during the Colonial India period but those were obviously kangaroo courts. A modern court would use impartial juries who had never even heard of the incident, this was a huge deal during the OJ Simpson trial because everybody knew who OJ was, so getting provably impartial civilians was practically impossible and was one of the biggest hurdles of the case. The example given by Elizabeth notes that the jury was a group of white plantation owners, so the odds were already heavily stacked in Bain's favor. And while autopsy reports have obviously been fudged before (Epstein), there is no better metric of determining cause of death and if the justice system is at the point of fudging an autopsy report, you have way bigger problems in justice miscarriage than just the autopsy itself.
 
Considering India had one of the world's most oppressive caste systems in the world at the time, it certainly is an improvement, especially for all the widows no longer being chucked on funeral pyres. Turns out enforcing multi-culturalism can sometimes be a good thing, at least when both cultures are given equal precedence.
 
The CCP opportunistically funds disruptive elements, but it didn't start this insane line of thought and it doesn't control it.
It would 100% promote it in a hypothetical CCCP-ruled America, except expanded to all Americans. Every day all Americans would be reminded of their groveling inferiority and ten thousand evil deeds and be forced to bow towards Peking and thank the Most Beneficent Emperor Xi Jingping for, in his infinite benevolence, even allowing a worthless animal like them to labor 18 hours a day in the sweatshops to appease their overlords, the true human beings and Children of Heaven, the Chinese.
 
Of course she has a degree in history and not in any scientific field.

Absolutely forensic evidence can be manipulated or even entirely concocted to pin a crime on someone. A lot of the time, experts are completely convinced the accused is guilty and believe they're doing right by fabricating or manipulating evidence. They've lost sight of the underlying principle of criminal justice that it's better to let a guilty person go free than falsely convict the innocent. But the solution for this is to hold experts who fuck up on this level accountable, not to claim that forensic science, in itself, is wrong or "racist".

I have a history degree, historians should know better than this. History is rife with governments making shit up and refusing to hold to objective standards just so they can lock away political prisoners, studying the Cold War is one of the things that redpilled me on leftism and its evil. This lady has no excuse except for the empty space between her ears.
 
So it's Whitey's fault now if some obese jiggaboo drops dead from a coronary from eating too much fried chicken or ODs on Fentanyl laced H? Sure, OK.
 
Who do you think is responsible for this dumb article?

The war between the soft sciences and the hard sciences. The soft sciences are tired of the hard sciences constantly mocking and bullying them (as well as the hard sciences getting paid better and working for evil corporations), so they try their hardest to chip away at them. Pretty much every attempt has ended in complete and utter failure, because reality doesn't conform to soft science's view. This is just the next step, shout racist at everyone.
 
The war between the soft sciences and the hard sciences. The soft sciences are tired of the hard sciences constantly mocking and bullying them (as well as the hard sciences getting paid better and working for evil corporations), so they try their hardest to chip away at them. Pretty much every attempt has ended in complete and utter failure, because reality doesn't conform to soft science's view. This is just the next step, shout racist at everyone.
I thought there was no such thing as 'soft science', unless we're talking about psychology.
 
I thought there was no such thing as 'soft science', unless we're talking about psychology.

Everything that falls under the umbrella of 'Social Science' (Psychology, Anthropology, Sociology, Criminology, Gender Studies, Cultural Studies etc.) is a 'soft science'.

Soft Sciences are called as such because they don't have hard and fast established laws. At least that's what we say politely. Behind their backs its because they're all soft in the fucking skull and don't know how to conduct a study to save their lives. Psychology is one that toes the line between the two, but Psych is very unreliable. Psychiatry is a hard science. Psychology is a soft science. So the discipline as a whole really is in the middle. All the offshoots however are unscientific trash. Psych needs to be inspected thoroughly, but 99.9% of the Social Sciences are complete dogshit filled with opinion masquerading as dogma.

They've been REALLY salty about this for a long time, but the hate between the both sides is very real and only actively growing. Hard science used to have a position of just rolling their eyes and shutting their mouths but that's over. STEM is coming at them full force and there have been articles basically accusing them and all their results being absolutely full of shit.

So articles like this are not unexpected. But lol at her for going after the pathologists. She really doesn't know any better. If there is a hard group in STEM, its pathologists, because they've seen some shit. They've cut open corpses, made microscope slides out of brains and shit. Pathologists do not fuck around, I've seen them make happy girls end up in tears and not giving a singular shit. I've seen them shred through grads and undergrads alike. So going after their work, not smart. This bitch, academically speaking, is asking to get her throat cut. You really don't fuck with people who study corpses for a living.

Pathologists have a history of sacrificing a lot for science and being very no nonsense. A history professor going at them is like a baby going at a serial killer. It just ain't fair.

Of course she has a degree in history and not in any scientific field.

Absolutely forensic evidence can be manipulated or even entirely concocted to pin a crime on someone. A lot of the time, experts are completely convinced the accused is guilty and believe they're doing right by fabricating or manipulating evidence. They've lost sight of the underlying principle of criminal justice that it's better to let a guilty person go free than falsely convict the innocent. But the solution for this is to hold experts who fuck up on this level accountable, not to claim that forensic science, in itself, is wrong or "racist".

I mean, we're not talking about forensics and blood evidence which is bachelor's level, we're talking autopsies done by professional and doctoral level people. Yes, they can be manipulated by politics. But this is true of anything.

She's questioning high level scientific work with no sufficient basis to do so other than people might possibly be manipulated, as if this doesn't occur in every profession on Earth. The insanity and arrogance of doing this to defend her political views and protect them from scrutiny is what has earned the soft sciences and liberal arts our contempt.
 
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Everything that falls under the umbrella of 'Social Science' (Psychology, Anthropology, Sociology, Criminology, Gender Studies, Cultural Studies etc.) is a 'soft science'.

Soft Sciences are called as such because they don't have hard and fast established laws. At least that's what we say politely. Behind their backs its because they're all soft in the fucking skull and don't know how to conduct a study to save their lives. Psychology is one that toes the line between the two, but Psych is very unreliable. Psychiatry is a hard science. Psychology is a soft science. So the discipline as a whole really is in the middle. All the offshoots however are unscientific trash. Psych needs to be inspected thoroughly, but 99.9% of the Social Sciences are complete dogshit filled with opinion masquerading as dogma.

They've been REALLY salty about this for a long time, but the hate between the both sides is very real and only actively growing. Hard science used to have a position of just rolling their eyes and shutting their mouths but that's over. STEM is coming at them full force and there have been articles basically accusing them and all their results being absolutely full of shit.

So articles like this are not unexpected. But lol at her for going after the pathologists. She really doesn't know any better. If there is a hard group in STEM, its pathologists, because they've seen some shit. They've cut open corpses, made microscope slides out of brains and shit. Pathologists do not fuck around, I've seen them make happy girls end up in tears and not giving a singular shit. I've seen them shred through grads and undergrads alike. So going after their work, not smart. This bitch, academically speaking, is asking to get her throat cut. You really don't fuck with people who study corpses for a living.

Pathologists have a history of sacrificing a lot for science and being very no nonsense. A history professor going at them is like a baby going at a serial killer. It just ain't fair.



I mean, we're not talking about forensics and blood evidence which is bachelor's level, we're talking autopsies done by professional and doctoral level people. Yes, they can be manipulated by politics. But this is true of anything.

She's questioning high level scientific work with no sufficient basis to do so other than people might possibly be manipulated, as if this doesn't occur in every profession on Earth. The insanity and arrogance of doing this to defend her political views and protect them from scrutiny is what has earned the soft sciences and liberal arts our contempt.
You need very peculiar nature to work with corpses in deep level. Not psychotic or anything like that but strong personality that can take crap and get past it fast. To be honest many are very happy people because they are comfortable with stuff that most would get traumatized by. As pointed out don't go after them, most likely they will ignore you but if they don't they can gross you out for days and more without patting an eye.
 
White murderers regularly used medical evidence to argue that Indians had frail constitutions and weak insides that made them susceptible to sudden death. The “diseased spleen defense” was the most infamous of these specious arguments. This argument contended that Indians had morbidly enlarged spleens that were predisposed to rupture from a slight blow or a fall.
"Specious arguments"? Does that occur to this historian that Indians, especially 19th century Indians, might indeed had pathologically-enlarged and easily-ruptured spleens? A few very common tropical diseases can cause that: malaria, kala-azar, schistosomiasis. But no, wypipo always lie so blame those damn colonialists!

An English newspaper warned its readers that “Englishmen ought to refrain from striking natives much on the same principle that would restrain them from aiming a blow at a cripple … the average constitution of natives does not fit them for rough treatment.”
So the European medical belief, accurate or not, on the constitution of Indian men actually discouraged violence on them. And this is supposed to be a bad thing?

Soft Sciences are called as such because they don't have hard and fast established laws.
Humanities subjects such as History, Archeology, Anthropology, and Whatever Studies (I won't even call them "soft sciences") have a sour-grape relationship with Science. They are envious that Science has a fairly well-defined set of assumptions, methodologies, valid questions to inquire, objective criteria for success and failure, and a host of successful case studies to emulate (all of which are collectively referred to as the Paradigm). So they declare No, we have no use for that shit; it's all fiction, a "grand-narrative" that scientists made up through "discourse", and that the "micro-narrative" we Humanities make up is no less valid. But the allure of the Paradigm is too strong to resist: and Humanities are keen on jumping on some theory that they think can explain anything, a Humanities equvalence of the Newton's Laws, so to speak. And many of them decided that Foucault's highly deterministic theory of knowledge-power is the Paradigm they seek.
 
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It was a bad idea to even designate them a science instead of just being plain ol' philosophy. To split the difference, call them Philosophical Sciences? Means we can just toss a couple of Plato's Men at them whenever they get full of bullshit.
 
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