Autistic Culture Movement / Neurodiversity

Given the sheer number of famous historical people who've been diagnosed with autism, it's likely that at least one of them actually did have it simply based on raw probabilities.

That doesn't make it OK though
 
It's pretty convenient to claim every dead genius in recorded history as being one of "yours" especially since they're a little too dead to object right now and aren't interviewable by a trained neurological professional.
 
I'm sure a lot of those are self-diagnosed. Most autistics diagnosed by doctors were diagnosed when they were toddlers.
True, but I mean even those diagnosed by doctors. It scares the ever-living shit out of their parents (for understandable reasons), leading the parents either to pursue extremely expensive intensive intervention that might not even be necessary, the cost in time and money of which outweighing potential benefit by far, or for them (at least one parent) to give up and enable unacceptable behavior that could otherwise be corrected by normal punishment, stunting the child's development.
 
Given the sheer number of famous historical people who've been diagnosed with autism, it's likely that at least one of them actually did have it simply based on raw probabilities.

That doesn't make it OK though

True. It's still the psychological equivalent of when the LDS church posthumously baptizing hundreds of thousands of people as Mormons. Sure they might have become Mormons, but they kind of didn't.
 
Some basic facts about people with ASD.

The majority have an IQ below 85. In the general population, less than 16% do.

Roughly 1/3 are, to use the traditional term, retarded. Less than 2% of the general population is.

An ASD kid costs $17,000 more per year (in 2011 dollars) than a non-ASD kid.
 
Ok, I am going to powerlevel a bit here but I do have Asperger's/autism myself (I also have a couple of mental disorders as well as APV and BPD) and I do live off disability because of my problems and truthfully I feel ashamed and I hate having these disorders so if there was a cure and a chance to be normal then I would take it. I don't think that my overall personality would be changed or that my "uniqueness" will go away. Having any kind of mental illness is not fun, period.

I have a friend who is in his 50s is autistic, and he is against therapy, most particularly ABA. He attended a school for slow and developmentally disabled kids and apparently they followed the Lovaas technique using aversives for punishment. He told me that he had been yelled at, slapped, etc so he is against treatment for autistic children. He says that the treatment and therapies for autistic children is mostly about "obedience" and to make it "convenient" for parents and teachers and that they don't try to work to the child's needs or be attentive to the child's needs; that parents and teachers need to learn to understand what the child needs or wants rather than force the child to say or do what they need. That therapies and treatments eliminate the "uniqueness" of autistic children, seeks to eliminate "undesirable" or "unacceptable" behavior (like hand flapping, rocking, arm waving etc) and basically that such children should be able to engage in those behaviors instead. He actually talked his cousin who just found out that her son has autism out of getting ABA for him as the officials were telling her that it's the only effective treatment and the only to be covered by insurance at this time. He says that these therapies are actually about making kids into robots and is dehumanizing.

He calls himself a "disability advocate" and follows anti-ABA/therapy blogs such as one called "The Standard Review" that is chock full of this Autism Culture movement stuff. Oh and he was diagnosed with Asperger's in his 20s apparently.
 
This is interesting.
Autism is something that should be researched and treated, but I don't think it is something that can be objectively cured.
Everyone in my immediate family, including myself, is on the spectrum to a degree. Also, everyone in my immediate family, save for my kid brother, currently is seeing either a psychologist or a psychiatrist at the moment. There should be no denying that the autism spectrum is a psychological disorder, but I don't think these activists have entirely stupid motives. While I've lived my whole life with autism and am sure as hell glad I've gotten treatment for it, I think that I wouldn't be the same person without the disorder. Take it as you will.
 
The problem seems to be a belief that being a "different person" within the context of getting psychological treatment is inherently a "snarl word", ergo, being ANYTHING other than psychologically unbridled is a BAD thing. If Chris had gotten treatment earlier in life, he'd probably be a different person too, as in, not in court several times a year, every year of his middle-aged life.
 
Good catch there, @TowinKarz
I would be a different person had I not gotten treatment just as much as I would be without the disorder.
I'm all for autism awareness, but denial of treatment is, well, autistic as fuck.
 
I carry a PDD-NOS diagnosis, although I don't consider myself to be autistic. My mother had me put through the Lovaas Institute's ABA program from when I was three to mid-to-late elementary school (thankfully after they stopped using aversives). She also had me see several other behavioral psychologists outside of Lovaas, had me take DMG (dimethylglycine) for some years during my childhood, and put me on a very strict gluten-free casein-free egg-free diet from when I was three until I was seventeen, when I just couldn't take it anymore. Pretty much everyone else in my family thought that what my mother was doing, including my father in hindsight, was needless, especially the diet. That being said, I actually had a slight egg allergy when I was younger, but the diet was overkill, and when I did finally go off it, my mother was very worried about what would happen, and she still is to an extent.
 
Here's a list of different disorders to help you all out. Just insert them into the blanks in the sentence, and make your very own disabled culture movement!

______ is not a disorder, people with ______ have their own culture and don't want to be cured!

______ therapy is often unethical, and _______ genes should not be eliminated!
The very notion of "curing" _______ is offensive!
Support the ________ Culture Movement!


Alzheimer's
Epilepsy
Down's syndrome

Tourette’s Disorder
Dissociative Fugue
Schizophrenia
PTSD
Bipolar Disorder

Encopresis
Multiple Personality Disorder
Anorexia

Enuresis
Major Depression
Hyperactive Sexual Desire Disorder

Oh wait... scratch that last one.
I realize you're being facetious but there pretty much already ARE "pride" movements for all these things. I've even seen HIV+ pride.
 
I realize you're being facetious but there pretty much already ARE "pride" movements for all these things. I've even seen HIV+ pride.


There are some ratings I cannot impart.

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I realize you're being facetious but there pretty much already ARE "pride" movements for all these things. I've even seen HIV+ pride.

Technically it's not a disorder unless its negatively affecting your life in some way. Everyone's got little quirks, but there's a point where it starts to be a problem. I'm sure there are people with the milder forms of some of these (especially encopresis and enuresis, ugh...) that are quite fond of them, but for everyone else, they're suffering.

But I really don't see why people would want to take pride in a problem. Any problem. If I had a gigantic boil growing on my neck, I sure as heck would not take pride in it. Or rotten teeth, or elephantiasis, or cancer. Do cancer patients go marching around at cancer pride parades?
Please dear god do not answer that, I'm not sure if I want to know.
 
"I would be a different person"
So? Who cares. It's unlikely healing your autism would turn you into the next Hitler.
Also, a human being is made of memories and experiences. Even if you were cured, you would still have these. You would still be yourself. You just would function a little better.
The only way it would change you is if you were cured as a newborn baby. But it would just change what you go through in life and how you react to it, changing your development.
 
I don't believe Einstein had 'tism. Apparently Einstein was a real ladies man as well, very suave. I don't think he could've done that with 'tism.
Ehh.

I don't think we can call einstein suave. He was probably very aloof, obviously intelligent and didn't seem to give too much of a shit about societal norms or what people thought which was probably a perfect storm which made him attractive to women.

When you read that letter he wrote to his mistress where he mechanically tells her that he will fuck her with no strings attached it becomes clear that this is less stone cold game and more him not understanding how emotions work.
 
He actually talked his cousin who just found out that her son has autism out of getting ABA for him as the officials were telling her that it's the only effective treatment and the only to be covered by insurance at this time. He says that these therapies are actually about making kids into robots and is dehumanizing.

Sounds like a real piece of work. I hope someone set her straight since.
 
It's pretty convenient to claim every dead genius in recorded history as being one of "yours" especially since they're a little too dead to object right now and aren't interviewable by a trained neurological professional.

Kind of like how every historical figure who died without getting married (and even some who did) was gay and every invention was secretly created by black people. Or how the true jews are actually black people.

There's a tendency of minority groups to react with marginalization with a recoloring of history. Sometimes theyre on to something with Jesus being darker skinned or Da Vinci's assistant. Sometimes, quite literally, they're fucking autistic.
 
When you read that letter he wrote to his mistress where he mechanically tells her that he will fuck her with no strings attached it becomes clear that this is less stone cold game and more him not understanding how emotions work.

He may not have known it in the sense that a stereotypical ladies' man would, but he did know he could get away with acting like this and would basically be in no danger of ending up lonely.
 
But I really don't see why people would want to take pride in a problem.

I guess it's just a matter of people being proud of who they are and not wanting to separate out certain traits. If you've been autistic all your life, you probably can't really imagine yourself as anything other than autistic, so it's kind of hard for you to say "I wish I could get rid of my autism" since it's just not easy to wall their autism off from the rest of their personality traits.

It's not like a fat person who can be proud of who they are but still wish that they were less fat, because being fat isn't part of your personality.
 
What a bullshit movement. I was diagnosed with Assburgers when I was young, though it must have been pretty damn mild since it didn't hinder me in any way once I figured out how to stop acting like a little turd in school. I'm sure the more severe cases are way harder to control, but I don't think it's something that can't be nullified through a reinforced education, not to mention an impetus on hammering home the concepts of "introspection" and "introjection".

People just need to grow the fuck up and stop pretending they're special snowflakes. Yes it's a disorder, but it doesn't make you a lesser person unless you're complacent with being a hindrance to society. Saying that they don't need to listen to reason and change for the collective better is the same r-tarded philosophy perpetrated by the Fat Acceptance Movement.

It's not like a fat person who can be proud of who they are but still wish that they were less fat, because being fat isn't part of your personality.

It's similar when they've both got a serious case of denial and Unwarranted Self-Importance. A lot of people like to attribute their problems to something that they can't control so they don't have to make an effort to fix it. Was it because of autism that you couldn't get a date? Or was it because you habitually pick your nose and eat it in public?
 
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