🐱 As robots replace workers, a crisis of masculinity?

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It’s not easy being female. But it’s often no picnic being male either. The world is changing faster than ever and, with it, so are notions of masculinity. Many men are feeling unmoored, for better or worse.

If you happen to be James Bond, you take this flux in stride and effortlessly turn — via a few intermediary incarnations — from the Sean Connery version of manhood into the more vulnerable and complex Daniel Craig variety. But how many real-life men have an inner 007 to channel?

The reality for many of those who aren’t necessarily alpha males is bleaker. The U.S., for example, just counted record numbers of deaths from drug overdoses; more than 100,000 in one year and roughly double the number in 2015. And about 70 percent of those who died were men.

In China, the government worries about a “masculinity crisis,” as the nation’s boys allegedly become effeminate, whatever that might mean nowadays. Educators are pondering ways of strengthening the “yang spirit”; as in the masculine-ish yang that complements the more feminine yin force in Taoism.

Some experts in Germany use the exact same phrase — a “crisis of masculinity” — to describe the situation of men in what used to be communist East Germany. For decades after reunification in 1990, eastern women moved west or married western men, leaving many of the region’s males single, frustrated and alienated.

Reunification and its discontents may be a unique situation, but it appears that there’s something more general about modernity that can undermine and threaten manhood. Consider, for example, how one particular vector of change is slamming into masculinity: the automation of manufacturing with robots.

In general, I think of robots as a boon. They make production more efficient and, therefore, all of us better off. But even good things aren’t usually good for everybody. With automation, the losers are the blue-collar manufacturing workers who used to do what the robots now take care of. And those workers are overwhelmingly men. That’s not me throwing stereotypes around; that’s hard statistics.

By contrast, jobs in the service sector, and especially those where “people skills” are prized, aren’t threatened by robots at all, at least not yet. And here women appear to have a statistical edge. In economies where robots are used a lot, blue-collar men therefore find it harder on average to keep or find good employment, whereas women on balance fare better.

This bifurcation in prospects for men and women translates into a shrinkage in the wage gap that traditionally favored men. In general, that’s a good thing, of course, as it leads to fair rewards; equal pay for equal work. But a vanishing wage gap also has side effects, as the late Gary Becker, a Nobel laureate in economics, famously explained.

In “A Theory of Marriage,” published in 1973, he introduced the notion that a shrinking male-female wage gap reduces the value of wedlock to women. Back when the lads made a killing and the lasses made a pittance, it made sense — economically, at least — to “specialize” within a household consisting of a working husband and a wife, and maybe children. Once women earn better wages, however, they no longer gain much from tying themselves to men, at least not in the same way.

The consequence of Becker’s logic should be an observable bear market in the marriage value of men, leading to less matrimony and fewer births in wedlock (though not necessarily fewer births overall). And so it appears. The coal country of Appalachia, for example, had a boom in the 1970s and a bust in the 1980s. As predicted, marriage rates and births in wedlock increased in the 1970s when (largely male) coal miners did well, then decreased in the 1980s when they struggled.

Enter Massimo Anelli, Osea Giuntella, and Luca Stella; researchers, respectively, at Bocconi University in Milan, the University of Pittsburgh and the Free University of Berlin. Using data from the U.S., they found that the more robotics transformed manufacturing in a given region, the smaller the income gaps between women and men. Marriages declined, divorce and cohabitation increased. Marital fertility also decreased, while out-of-wedlock births increased.

There’s nothing inherently good or bad about such correlations and trends. They just mean that societies are changing. But change is hard for people. And men, as they lose the roles their fathers and grandfathers might have considered self-evidently masculine, appear to be at particular risk.

One is that they fall prey to demagogues on the far right. In eastern Germany, male frustration is certainly one explanation for the rise of the Alternative for Germany, a populist party. In the U.S., regions with lots of robots were among those where Trumpism is big.

A related phenomenon is the misogynistic “incel” movement of men who label themselves as “involuntary celibates.” They often radicalize themselves online, blame women for their low status and spread conspiracy theories. In California, Florida and Toronto, incels have gone on killing sprees.

The best advice to individual men would seem to be to welcome the evolution of masculinity as a liberation; let’s stop worrying about it and flow with it. But, for communities and societies, the flux in manhood bears dangers. This Chinese talk of strengthening the yang spirit seems corny and amiss. Even so, it bears remembering that yin and yang must be in balance to have harmony.
 
Yeah, I see so many robot cowboys and roughnecks, lemme tell ya. I certainly have never seen customer service jobs replaced with phone trees and kiosks.
 
That's not true!

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone on this site more masculine than me. (And @Bender - unless it's Olympic season.)
 
Problem: Men are having trouble finding work, a purpose in life, and meaningful relationships with women. And it's causing some of them to hate women and society.
Solution: lol just accept it incel.
 
Automation of labour seems more like a crisis of "not having money to put food on the table", but I'm sure using it to make a tenuous point about how men should be feminised is clearly more important.
 
The best advice to individual men would seem to be to welcome the evolution of masculinity as a liberation; let’s stop worrying about it and flow with it.

Women no longer need you, therefore they will leave you more frequently, avoid you in the first place, and you will have a much harder time finding work. But you'll be free to sit at home alone on welfare and do nothing. Don't be angry about this, incel!
 
I'm sorry but it will be a long ass time before robots are widely used.
Right now, manual/blue collar labor is impossible to be done by a machine.
Give a loaf of bread, butter and a knife to a robot, it won't be able to make a sandwich because, despite it being simple from a human perspective, it requires a multitude of specific movements in a specific sequence and it can't be done by the robots we have today.
A robot can't do very simple things like unclogging a sink or fixing a power socket.
Find me a robot that can clean an area as quickly and thoroughly as a minimum wage worker.
You can't, these simple things can only be done by humans and that will be the case for decades to come.

You know what can be 100% automated, even today?
Office work.
You could literally write an algorithm that's not even that complex and it would put 99% of office workers in the unemployment line.
If anyone should be worried about automation, it's all the women who work office jobs.
Better start learning new skills, ladies, the end is neigh.
 
I'm sorry but it will be a long ass time before robots are widely used.
Right now, manual/blue collar labor is impossible to be done by a machine.
Give a loaf of bread, butter and a knife to a robot, it won't be able to make a sandwich because, despite it being simple from a human perspective, it requires a multitude of specific movements in a specific sequence and it can't be done by the robots we have today.
A robot can't do very simple things like unclogging a sink or fixing a power socket.
Find me a robot that can clean an area as quickly and thoroughly as a minimum wage worker.
You can't, these simple things can only be done by humans and that will be the case for decades to come.

You know what can be 100% automated, even today?
Office work.
You could literally write an algorithm that's not even that complex and it would put 99% of office workers in the unemployment line.
If anyone should be worried about automation, it's all the women who work office jobs.
Better start learning new skills, ladies, the end is neigh.
>be me
>one of my periodic responsibilities at work requires fucking around with spreadsheets
>could take hours of tedious effort
>wrote a little c program to do it for me
>takes like 2 minutes
>didn't tell anyone about this program
>just goof off for the rest of the day, no one's the wiser

I LOVE THE ANTICHRIST.
 
Fuck it, automate everything, establish universal basic income, we spend the rest of our lives playing video games and masturbating. Sounds pretty fucking sweet, I don't care how manly or unmanly it is.
 
>be me
>one of my periodic responsibilities at work requires fucking around with spreadsheets
>could take hours of tedious effort
>wrote a little c program to do it for me
>takes like 2 minutes
>didn't tell anyone about this program
>just goof off for the rest of the day, no one's the wiser

I LOVE THE ANTICHRIST.
No kidding-- imagine using something as bare-metal as C to make a script for Excel spreadsheets.
 
Yeah, I see so many robot cowboys and roughnecks, lemme tell ya. I certainly have never seen customer service jobs replaced with phone trees and kiosks.
Call me when they are rolling out robot linemen. I’d like to see a robot that would be able to hook up the primaries to a 75kVa three phase transformer. Just the shielding to protect the robots circuits alone would probably be a small fortune
 
Like I said on the Moviebob thread:
Once again, Bob, putting millions of people out of work isn't going to magically make them go away. Steinbeck's words are as true as they were back during the Great Depression:
John Steinbeck dijo:
Don't take chances with 'em [tenant farmers thrown off their land], an' if they argue, shoot first. If a kid'll kill a cop, what'll the men do? Thing is, get tougher'n they are. Treat 'em rough. Scare 'em.
What if they won't scare? What if they stand up and take it and shoot back? These men were armed when they were children. A gun is an extension of themselves. What if they won't scare? What if some time an army of them marches on the land as the Lombards did in Italy, as the Germans did on Gaul and the Turks did on Byzantium? They were land-hungry, ill-armed hordes too, and the legions could not stop them. Slaughter and terror did not stop them. How do you frighten a man whose hunger is not only in his own cramped stomach but in the wretched bellies of his children? You can't scare him - he has known a fear beyond every other. (emphasis mine)
 
You know how you can reclaim real masculinity? Stop being a consoomer slave and actually start making your own shit. High quality shit you can be proud of. Learn woodworking and metalworking. Build furniture, make tools etc. and make them well like they used to. Maybe turn it into an enterprise after some practice and start selling some.

A large part of masculinity is self-reliance and doing things for yourself, and creation is doing something yourself on a higher level. I don't care if robots replace the entire workforce, we should still be able to create.
 
I'm sorry but it will be a long ass time before robots are widely used.
Right now, manual/blue collar labor is impossible to be done by a machine.
Give a loaf of bread, butter and a knife to a robot, it won't be able to make a sandwich because, despite it being simple from a human perspective, it requires a multitude of specific movements in a specific sequence and it can't be done by the robots we have today.
A robot can't do very simple things like unclogging a sink or fixing a power socket.
Find me a robot that can clean an area as quickly and thoroughly as a minimum wage worker.
You can't, these simple things can only be done by humans and that will be the case for decades to come.

You know what can be 100% automated, even today?
Office work.
You could literally write an algorithm that's not even that complex and it would put 99% of office workers in the unemployment line.
If anyone should be worried about automation, it's all the women who work office jobs.
Better start learning new skills, ladies, the end is neigh.
Hello, your wrong.

We are already replacing jobs all the time, and the only thing slowing it down is cost and development time.
If your job is simple to do and the same over and over again, then i will try and automate that job.

Now take your sandwich example.
I can make that and it would not be very hard, it is only a question of cost. Right now the only thing stopping the automation is the price of switching to fully automated, in a lot of fields is the cost. Like unclogging a sink would not be to hard either, but would it be worth the cost?. Like the cleaning bot, i know for a fact that a few medicinal firms bough a mate of mines robots for cleaning there special "clean" labs, super expensive. How ever for a company like that it is worth it.

Depending on the officer type work you do, the more fuzzy a thing is the harder it is to replace.
 
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Now take your sandwich example.
I can make that and it would not be very hard, it is only a question of cost. Right now the only thing stopping the automation is the price of switching to fully automated, in a lot of fields is the cost. Like unclogging a sink would not be to hard either, but would it be worth the cost?. Like the cleaning bot, i know for a fact that a few medicinal firms bough a mate of mines robots for cleaning there special "clean" labs, super expensive. How ever for a company like that it is worth it.

Depending on the officer type work you do, the more fuzzy a thing is the harder it is to replace.
I've worked my fair share of food related jobs so I took time to explore the automation argument in that field.
It's not happening anytime soon.
Even the most advanced robots they have, need to have all the ingredients cut and loaded up by humans... and those are the ones that cost 8-9 figures.

Cleaning?
When there's stuff that has to be moved around, no robot can do the job and stuff ALWAYS needs to be moved around.
Maybe something like a basketball field can be easily cleaned by a robot but, can you honestly say that we have robots that can clean a mess like this?
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I'm going to need some hard evidence for this.
 
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