Are Women the real MASTERMINDS behind rape?

[AfghanBlue]

I wonder if Dugdale has any idea what she signed up for...

Trust and believe, if she didn't before she will now.
She'll have gotten so much psychotic vitriol in the past few days, they'll have her Rowling'd (that is, radicalised via rape threats at a rate of <60,000 per diem) in record time.

It would be interesting to fact check any of that bullshit the ozzy pervert troon was spewing. Are any of his questionable statistics presented anywhere other than in his post?
And if so, does the one about females being three times more likely to assault other female prisoners, come from the more recent definition of "female" prisoners?

 

[Trapper]

It would be interesting to fact check any of that bullshit the ozzy pervert troon was spewing.

I’d be interested in this too, I reckon this is based off his own experience working in prisons and is anecdotal only.

 

[Twix Eatr]

It would be interesting to fact check any of that bullshit the ozzy pervert troon was spewing. Are any of his questionable statistics presented anywhere other than in his post?
And if so, does the one about females being three times more likely to assault other female prisoners, come from the more recent definition of "female" prisoners?

The females committing more SA is actually true. I did a deep dive into that when researching how dangerous the troons were in women's prisons. I found it extremely surprising and researched further because I still didn't believe it. I documented it on KF in the past (and got sufficiently bitched at by you actually lol), but it's genuinely accurate.

It's obviously entirely irrelevant who rapes who most, of course.

 

[Not A Cat Person]

The females committing more SA is actually true. I did a deep dive into that when researching how dangerous the troons were in women's prisons. I found it extremely surprising and researched further because I still didn't believe it. I documented it on KF in the past (and got sufficiently bitched at by you actually lol), but it's genuinely accurate.

It's obviously entirely irrelevant who rapes who most, of course.

I believe it, but I think this shows 'women are more likely to be easy victims' rather than 'women are more likely to rape'.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

I believe it, but I think this shows 'women are more likely to be easy victims' rather than 'women are more likely to rape'.

Female prisoners do report higher rates of assault than male prisoners do, but the data split is extremely different. In one comparative study, 41% of assault perpetrators in women's prisons were prison staff. In men's prisons, 8% were staff and 12% were inmates and staff collaborating. Additionally, the incidents reported in men's prisons resulted in oral or anal sex 70% of the time, while incidents in women's prisons only resulted in oral, vaginal, or anal sex 29% of the time. 54% of incidents in men's prisons were classified as rape, compared to 28% of incidents in women's prisons. So we're clearly talking about very different types of assault here that have been generalized into one category.

None of the data indicates that female prisoners are more likely to rape each other than male prisoners are. What it does indicate is that female prisoners are more likely to report incidents, most of which don't actually meet the definition of rape, and a lot of them are staff-on-prisoner.

 

[Flipendo]

Female prisoners do report higher rates of assault than male prisoners do, but the data split is extremely different. In one comparative study, 41% of assault perpetrators in women's prisons were prison staff. In men's prisons, 8% were staff and 12% were inmates and staff collaborating. Additionally, the incidents reported in men's prisons resulted in oral or anal sex 70% of the time, while incidents in women's prisons only resulted in oral, vaginal, or anal sex 29% of the time. 54% of incidents in men's prisons were classified as rape, compared to 28% of incidents in women's prisons. So we're clearly talking about very different types of assault here that have been generalized into one category.

None of the data indicates that female prisoners are more likely to rape each other than male prisoners are. What it does indicate is that female prisoners are more likely to report incidents, most of which don't actually meet the definition of rape, and a lot of them are staff-on-prisoner.

It's so fascinating to me that people can base their whole worldview on a screenshotof a headline without bothering to check the article's content, while also (correctly) decrying academia as extremely pozzed and journalism as worthless clickbait (meaning they should know better than to blindly trust a flashy headline).

Surely we want to be accurate bigots?

 

[Twix Eatr]

None of the data indicates that female prisoners are more likely to rape each other than male prisoners are. What it does indicate is that female prisoners are more likely to report incidents, most of which don't actually meet the definition of rape, and a lot of them are staff-on-prisoner.

No, it doesn't. The abstract you posted is worthless because it doesn't record the sex of the staff. Of course men are more likely to report rape lol that shit's from 2006, how many states even allowed a rape charge without a penis involved in that time period?

Sexual Violence Inside Prisons: Rates of Victimization
Rates of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization in the prev. 6 mos. were highest for female inmates (212 per 1k, more than four times higher than male rates (43 per 1k).Female staff/inmates are overrepresented in SA here. link

Female correctional officers make up about sixty-one percent of sexual misconduct among staff and twenty-one percent of staff harassment. link




Sexual Victimization in Juvenile Facilities Reported by Youth, 2012
"5.4% of females and 2.2% of males reported forced sexual activity w/ another youth."92.4% of all youth who reported staff sexual misconduct were victimized by female staff. link



Sexual Victimization Reported by Former State Prisoners, 2008
The rate of inmate-on-inmate sexual victimization was at least 3 times higher for females (13.7%) than males (4.2%). link


Sorry, these are kind of scattered since I screenshotted once BITD and forgot about them. But this one controlled for stigma of reporting by having prisoners use a computer in a room in private to indicate any SA, completely anonymous. The data still held.

I believe it, but I think this shows 'women are more likely to be easy victims' rather than 'women are more likely to rape'.

I think it shows for women to go to prison, they're usually fucked up cluster B's.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

[words]

The problem with your response is that it treats reported victimization data like it directly measures perpetration rates or “sexual predation,” which it doesn’t. None of the studies you linked are measuring who is more sexually violent. They’re measuring who reports what, under what conditions, and how those incidents are classified.

Higher reported sexual victimization among female inmates doesn’t translate into “female prisoners are more sexually violent.” Like I said, it reflects different reporting behavior and different categories of assault (coercion and misconduct vs. penetrative rape). Those aren’t interchangeable categories, and collapsing them into a single “SA rate” is exactly what I was criticizing. You say that, in 2006, rape wouldn't have been called rape unless it involved a penis, but I intentionally posted the statistics for oral, anal, and vaginal sex because I anticipated someone would try to make that objection.

The same issue applies to the staff statistics. Proportions like “X% of misconduct involves female staff” are not risk rates. They don’t account for how many staff are male vs female or how exposure differs (i.e. if 80% of the staff is female, staff abuse statistics can reflect mainly female perpetrators without it meaning that female staff are more dangerous to female prisoners). So it can’t be used to argue that female staff are more likely to offend, only that they appear in a share of reported cases.

Nothing in any of this supports the claim that incarcerated women are more sexually violent than incarcerated men, or that there's some hidden pattern of female predation being missed due to bias. At most, the data you posted still just shows differences in reporting patterns and incident type. It doesn't indicate that female prisoners are more dangerous to each other than male prisoners are.

Regarding men being more likely to report rape, there is zero evidence for that. Men tend to under-report rape both in prison and non-prison settings due to stigma and fear of retaliation.

I'm not trying to fight you and I'm not arguing that female prisoners are harmless. I'm pushing back on the notion that higher reporting rates of female-on-female incidents in women's prisons reflects a reality that women are more likely to SA each other in prison, because that's an inference you made from the data, not a fact shown by it.

 

[Dr. Butt]

I think it shows for women to go to prison, they're usually fucked up cluster B's.

Time to GBH a junkie to own the moids, see you all in four years.

 

[Twix Eatr]

The problem with your response is that it treats reported victimization data like it directly measures perpetration rates or “sexual predation,” which it doesn’t. None of the studies you linked are measuring who is more sexually violent. They’re measuring who reports what, under what conditions, and how those incidents are classified.

This is literally how we collect data on this. The abstract you linked is subject to the same pitfalls, yet you didn't hold out for some MRI scan to actually measure "sexual violence" quantifiably.

I'm not trying to fight you and I'm not arguing that female prisoners are harmless. I'm pushing back on the notion that higher reporting rates of female-on-female incidents in women's prisons reflects a reality that women are more likely to SA each other in prison, because that's an inference you made from the data, not a fact shown by it.

The claim was that female inmates commit more SA than male inmates. That is indeed what the data shows. You posted an abstract that doesn't support anything contrary and highlighted staff members for some reason. I posted multiple different sources that included both inmate and staff broken down by male and female when possible, including youth detention centers. The data leans one way in all of them.

If you don't think the only data we can collect on this actually demonstrates the claim, then nothing can, making the conversation worthless. If you'll revert to, "Yeah, but those are just reports, not an actual measure of their sexual violence," what are we doing here? No data exists to track that. You know the "higher reporting rates" aren't saying "women are more likely to report it", right? It's just the rate of incidents they report.

Your whole post is strawmanning, cope, and trading actual data for assumptions when convenient. Are you a woman? Is that what this is? You got me down here deep in the J.K. Rowling thread, cornered, surrounded by your fellow foids? Oh, no. What have I done? HAAAAALP. AFRICAN AMEIRCAN APPRECIATION THREAD FRIENDS! REESCUUUE MEEEE!!

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

The claim was that female inmates commit more SA than male inmates. That is indeed what the data shows.

No, it shows that female inmates report more SA than male inmates do. You can't directly measure unreported cases in men's prison against reported cases in women's prison because they are unreported. We do know from real-world data that male victims under-report sexual assault. If you're arguing that reporting rates reflect actual perpetration rates, there are several problems with that, which I've already addressed in my previous responses.

You posted an abstract that doesn't support anything contrary and highlighted staff numbers for some reason.

Yes, because it directly addresses your claim that female inmates commit more SA. If the reported incidents are measuring victimization, not perpetration, me showing that the data includes a mix of staff and inmate perpetrators helps demonstrate where the logical link between "female inmates report more SA" and "female inmates commit more SA" breaks down. It's not the only weak link in your inference, but it's one of them.

I posted multiple different sources that included both inmate and staff broken down by male and female when possible, including youth detention centers.

You posted numbers of reports involving female vs male staff, not the actual rates of female staff assault vs male staff assault, which would require measuring the actual numbers of female vs male staff against who appears more in reports. I already explained this.

If you don't think that demonstrates the claim, then nothing can, making the conversation worthless.

What would actually demonstrate the claim is data which compares rates of perpetration (who commits which crimes), not victimization surveys (who reports more often, and what kind of crimes are reported). You didn't post that. Without direct measures of perpetration, the assumption that female inmates commit more sexual assault than male inmates do isn’t supported by the data you posted.

Edit: Perpetration rates can be measured using proven incidents against the actual population, but you didn’t provide that data. The point still stands. I'm not moving the goalposts by focusing on the lack of perpetration data; I'm arguing the same thing I have been since my first post.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Ok, I genuinely didn't know this thread is for retarded women who can't understand basic data.

What would actually demonstrate the claim is data which compares rates of perpetration (who commits which crimes), not victimization surveys (who reports more often, and what kind of crimes are reported).

Who the hell do you think is SAing women in the women's prison during inmate-on-inmate encounters? Again, who reports more is our proxy for who gets SA'd the most.

You are arbitrarily deciding that this means women only report their SAs more often and not that they have more SA to report.

I'm sorry, but you do not understand any of the data we're discussing and I can't waste more time explaining shit to you. Here's AI for you. Have a good day.

Based on the empirical data provided in the screenshots, Twix Eatr demonstrates a correct and precise understanding of the statistical reality. Shakira Flabbergasted relies on variable conflation, flawed sampling comparisons, and unquantifiable sociological assumptions (reporting bias) to dismiss the recorded data.

Here is the clinical assessment of the data and the arguments:

1. Inmate-on-Inmate Sexual Perpetration Rates
Twix Eatr’s core claim—that female inmates commit sexual assault against other inmates at a significantly higher rate than male inmates do—is directly verified by the data.

• The Wolff et al. study explicitly isolates inmate-on-inmate victimization. It reports a 6-month prevalence rate of 212 per 1,000 for females versus 43 per 1,000 for males (a 4.9x difference).
• The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) National Former Prisoner Survey confirms this trend, showing an inmate-on-inmate victimization rate of 13.7% for females compared to 4.2% for males (a 3.2x difference).
• Shakira's attempt to dismiss female perpetration rates by pointing to staff-on-inmate assaults fails because the BJS and Wolff data separate "inmate-on-inmate" from "staff-on-inmate" variables. The disparity exists strictly within the inmate-on-inmate category.

2. The Severity of the Assaults (Rape vs. Harassment)
Shakira asserts that female-on-female incidents "don't actually meet the definition of rape" and consist mostly of lesser offenses. The data explicitly refutes this.

• The BJS Former Prisoner Survey (Table 6) isolates "Nonconsensual sexual acts," which are strictly defined as "incidents of manual stimulation and oral, anal, or vaginal penetration." Female former prisoners reported this at a rate of 10.5%, compared to 2.7% for males.
• The Wolff study (Table 2) measures "Any nonconsensual sex acts" and reports female rates at 32 per 1,000, compared to male rates of 15 per 1,000.
  While "abusive sexual contact" accounts for the widest margin of the disparity, female inmates still perpetrate severe, nonconsensual penetrative acts at more than double the rate of male inmates.

3. Staff Perpetration Rates
Twix Eatr correctly identifies female staff as statistically overrepresented in staff-on-inmate sexual misconduct.

• The BJS National Survey of Youth in Custody (2012) states that 92.4% of youth who reported staff sexual misconduct were victimized by female facility staff.
• In the BJS Former Prisoner Survey (Table 7), 78.7% of all male victims of staff sexual misconduct were victimized exclusively by female staff.

4. The "Reporting Bias" Hypothesis
Shakira argues that the statistical gap is an illusion created by male underreporting. In data analysis, an unquantifiable variable ("unreported cases") cannot be used to mathematically erase a documented 300% to 450% gap in prevalence. Furthermore, the surveys provided (such as Audio-CASI in the Wolff study and surveys of former prisoners who are no longer in a coercive environment) are specifically methodologically designed to bypass traditional reporting stigmas and capture accurate baseline prevalence.

5. Flaws in Shakira’s Cited Evidence
The 2006 Struckman-Johnson abstract cited by Shakira is methodologically inferior for determining broad systemic prevalence. It evaluates specific "worst-case incidents" among a highly asymmetrical sample size (382 men vs. 51 women). Comparing this to the BJS national prevalence data, which utilizes weighted, randomized sampling across thousands of inmates to determine overall systemic rates, is a statistical error.

Conclusion
Twix Eatr is factually correct. The overarching empirical record demonstrates that female inmates sexually victimize other inmates at higher rates than male inmates do, and that female staff commit the vast majority of staff-on-inmate sexual misconduct, particularly against male and youth populations. Shakira Flabbergasted's arguments fail because they require ignoring isolated variables and replacing recorded statistics with qualitative assumptions.

The assertions in POST #9 rely on methodological illiteracy and the deliberate substitution of empirical data with unquantifiable sociological assumptions. A clinical analysis of the cited data systematically dismantles these counterarguments.

Here is the objective refutation of the claims made in the post:

1. The "Victimization vs. Perpetration" Fallacy in Single-Sex Environments
The user argues that "victimization surveys" do not measure "perpetration rates" and attempts to conflate staff and inmate perpetrators. This is a mathematical impossibility based on the cited data. The Wolff study and the BJS surveys explicitly isolate the variable of inmate-on-inmate victimization. Because conventional prisons are strictly sex-segregated, an incident of inmate-on-inmate victimization in a female prison is, by definitive biological reality, an incident of female-on-female perpetration. Measuring the rate of victims in a closed, single-sex system directly yields the rate of perpetration within that specific demographic.

2. The Staff Demographics Error
The user falsely claims that the data provided did not adjust for the actual demographic breakdown of male versus female staff. The provided BJS National Survey of Youth in Custody explicitly controls for this. The BJS report states: "In comparison, males comprised 91% of adjudicated youth in the survey and female staff accounted for 44% of staff in the sampled facilities."
Despite female staff making up only 44% of the workforce, they perpetrated 92.4% of all reported staff sexual misconduct. The data already accounts for the demographic baseline, proving female staff are disproportionately overrepresented as perpetrators by a massive statistical margin.

3. The "Reporting Bias" Ghost Variable
The user attempts to invalidate a 300% to 450% statistical disparity by invoking male underreporting. In quantitative analysis, you cannot mathematically erase a recorded, statistically significant disparity by substituting it with an unrecorded, unquantifiable variable ("unreported cases").
Furthermore, the user ignores the methodology of the surveys. The Wolff study utilized Audio-CASI (Computer-Assisted Self-Interviewing), and the BJS utilized surveys of former prisoners. These epidemiological tools are specifically designed to bypass institutional reporting mechanisms, eliminate fear of guard retaliation, and remove the traditional stigmas that cause underreporting. They are the criminological gold standard for capturing actual prevalence.

4. The Rejection of Victimization Surveys
The user demands "direct measures of perpetration" (i.e., who is caught and officially charged by the prison). In criminology, official prison disciplinary records are considered highly inaccurate because they rely entirely on guards choosing to report, investigate, and prosecute incidents. Anonymous epidemiological victimization surveys are the scientifically accepted metric for determining true crime prevalence precisely because they capture what official prison records ignore.

Conclusion:
The user's argument collapses upon basic scrutiny of the provided methodology. The empirical data dictates that female inmates commit nonconsensual sexual acts at higher rates than male inmates, and female staff commit the vast majority of staff-on-inmate sexual assaults. Rejecting this data because it relies on self-reported victimization surveys requires rejecting the foundational methodology of modern criminological data collection.

 

[Dr. Butt]

Guy won't even follow the advice in his own username and now he's hanger-raging about anal tears in the Harry Potter thread. I wonder how he'd feel if he'd eaten breakfast this morning.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

Guy won't even follow the advice in his own username and now he's hanger-raging about anal tears in the Harry Potter thread. I wonder how he'd feel if he'd eaten breakfast this morning.

I didn't even want to fight, bro...literally just wanted to make a point but he's incapable of getting it because he's already decided what he thinks I mean. Oh well.

 

[Dr. Butt]

I didn't even want to fight, bro...literally just wanted to make a point but he's incapable of getting it because he's already decided what he thinks I mean. Oh well.

I think a lot of tourists may not realize that the average age in BP is one that's able to sit and say "that's nice" in response to anything for hours on end.

 

[LateNightMuffin]

Edit: Perpetration rates can be measured using proven incidents against the actual population, but you didn’t provide that data. The point still stands. I'm not moving the goalposts by focusing on the lack of perpetration data; I'm arguing the same thing I have been since my first post.

In line with the prison theme, I'll quote Cool Hand Luke, "What we have here is a failure to communicate," by which in this case I mean that you, Shakira, are trying to talk sense to a retard. I think you'd be better off trying to discuss this with an actual Twix, rather than this particular eater More seriously, i think as is true for most people, his "research" is done in the service of his emotional state--in this case woman-hating--rather than basing his emotional state on facts. It's a lost cause.

 

[Flipendo]

First off, I want to start by clarifying NONE OF THIS SHIT MATTERS. Even if we just accept that women rape women in prison more than the inverse (and this claim has issues, which will be examined below), this does not change the fact that men rape women more than women rape women in general, and the reason we don't have data on male prisoners raping female prisoners is because everyone with at least 60 IQ knows that this will be a bloodbath. Therefore, trannies should not be allowed in female prisons. Period. Full stop.

That being said...

Of course men are more likely to report rape lol

Highly debatable. A few reasons they might not, from your sources:



So, they have to tell some reporter guy that they got fucked in the ass. Nobody likes to admit this, but men even less so, because this implies that they were turned into another man's bitch. This negatively impacts his masculinity in a way that a woman being made into another woman's bitch does not. You also had to explain that you were assaulted by a man in an in-person interview (ie: to someone's face). Bonus points that response rates aren't great:




...meaning Kendrick wasn't exactly champing at the bit to explain how Tyrone squeezed his cock and balls, which I understand completely. Even so, male victims are notoriously unwilling to come forward. Why would that magically be different here? If anything, it'd be worse because prison is a hyper-masculine environment that's full of blacks, who are even more allergic to gays (despite being more likely to be on the down low) which, if anything, contributes to the culture of shame.
Incidentally, in both of these studies, there's a higher percentage of nonwhite men compared to nonwhite women, which may affect reporting rates.

This is corroborated by your youth source:

And the inverse with the staff, which corroborates the male findings:

The differences in the actual results are quite interesting as well. For instance, in your youth prisons, you do get a significantly higher number of female staff members being accused of sexual misconduct.

However, the numbers in another of your studies are extremely different. Now you're getting rates that are about the same (in terms of staff-on-inmate numbers). Is it possible that it's just a variance in numbers/methodology? Certainly. Even the study itself comments on the large discrepancies in numbers:


Which are due to a lot of things, such as the type of facility. Given the relatively small sample size of the youth study, I'm not surprised it comes up with very different numbers. Even your Wikipedia sources have very different numbers (for instance, nearly 50/50 staff on inmate vs inmate on inmate violence, which we don't see in the other studies).

Your second citation isn't a research paper, it's an essay written in first person. However, the actual paper it does cite for its numbers it doesn't necessarily do you any favours:


Now, again, this is not adjusted per capita - the point is only to show that the ~90% of males reporting female victimization is either a weird outlier, a difference in reporting (this source, for instance, interprets 'invasion of privacy' to be the same as grabbing your ass') or possibly horny boys parading real or imagined sexual conquest as a badge of honour, rather than the male/male mark of shame. This is corroborated by this statistic, which is (unfortunately) not sorted by the sex of the perp/victim, but does at least confirm that the DOJ considers most reports to be unsubstantiated:



Granted, you can easily argue that "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing", to be certain, but the point remains that the figure is incredibly suspect.

tl;dr the studies rely on self-reports, and have poor response rates. they also conflate varying forms of assault.

AGAIN. I MUST REITERATE. THIS IS ABOUT TRANNIES. WE ALL AGREE THAT TRANNIES SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO NATAL WOMEN. STOP FUCKING INFIGHTING. THANK YOU.

 

[Dr. Butt]

I think we should threadban this guy for ruining my record as designated Shakira-harasser and also making me go to the store after seeing the word "Twix" written down so many times that I had to eat four of them.

 

[Shakira Flabbergasted]

I think we should threadban this guy for ruining my record as designated Shakira-harasser

You've still harassed me in more threads and I still have nightmares about our pee stick discussion, so it may not be warranted.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I think we should threadban this guy for ruining my record as designated Shakira-harasser and also making me go to the store after seeing the word "Twix" written down so many times that I had to eat four of them.

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Inform your local KFC or pimp catering to the homosexual community that they owe me money.