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Gravityqueen4life dijo:
Starded watching Gun X Sword. Heard its a classic.
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Sleazy Car Salesman dijo:
Personally I'd say it's six of one half dozen of the other, but where 47 benefits is the fact that I am directly controlling him which adds a layer of artistic flair and dynamism to his work since I'm the one adding a personal touch and choosing how to kill a target, so even if I do it in a boring or by the numbers sort of way it still feels deeper/more exciting.

Golgo needs more theatricality to his jobs or more depth to his character outside of them to not come across as a plank of wood.
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As someone who's watched every Golgo anime with friends (the movie, the OVA, and the TV series), let me try to explain.

Golgo is not much of a character, it's true. He's not just one-dimensional, he's also kind of dull. He rarely talks, and he doesn't seem to have a life outside of his contracts, aside from fuckin'. His character starts and ends with "world's best sniper and sex-haver."

And the stories themselves have pretty much no tension whatsoever. Golgo is the best sniper in the world, hands down, and he will always win every time. He takes the job, he does some recon, then the climax is "Golgo wins lol." This is literally every single story. Even when you think someone might finally have gotten the upper hand on him, he turns it around by the end.

So why is it one of my favorite series of all time? Simply put, because of how seriously it takes itself.

The scenarios are frequently utterly ridiculous, oftentimes seemingly designed to be impossible to pull off, like a guy who lives on a private island enclosed in bulletproof glass but gets killed because Golgo managed to ricochet the bullet off of his pool, specifically off of a wave to change the trajectory. Even the ones where he doesn't actually have to kill someone, like shooting a single string of a violin to make the player completely lose his nerve and never play again, are crazy. Characters will repeatedly say over and over again that there's no way anyone could possibly do it, there just isn't anyone that cool in existence, and then in comes Golgo to make his one expression and prove them wrong. And it's all taken completely seriously, no matter how over the top it gets. Everyone just accepts that Golgo really is that cool.

It makes for some really hilarious viewing, even if that's probably not what the mangaka had in mind. Golgo as a character isn't interesting, but the world he inhabits definitely is. Even if the ending is a foregone conclusion, the process of getting there has a lot of variety that keeps it fun. Highly recommend giving it a shot. (The dub definitely helps with the comedic aspects, I think the voice actors understood the assignment very well.)
 
King Dead dijo:
As someone who's watched every Golgo anime with friends (the movie, the OVA, and the TV series), let me try to explain.

Golgo is not much of a character, it's true. He's not just one-dimensional, he's also kind of dull. He rarely talks, and he doesn't seem to have a life outside of his contracts, aside from fuckin'. His character starts and ends with "world's best sniper and sex-haver."

And the stories themselves have pretty much no tension whatsoever. Golgo is the best sniper in the world, hands down, and he will always win every time. He takes the job, he does some recon, then the climax is "Golgo wins lol." This is literally every single story. Even when you think someone might finally have gotten the upper hand on him, he turns it around by the end.

So why is it one of my favorite series of all time? Simply put, because of how seriously it takes itself.
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I respect that but it's a matter of personal taste, Golgo just isn't for me.
 
Foltest dijo:
Been reading some old school mangas lately.
Specific, Desert Rose (manga from the late 80s about a merc group of hot babes) and Golgo 13.
Desert Rose is pretty fun and I do enjoy how they thought the world would look like in the "near future" and how terrorism would be fought.
They have an OVA that you can watch on YT (only subs)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8V4yS4ldURk
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If you liked Desert Rose, you'll like Cleopatra DC.
There's also a manga, but I'm not going to go find it for you.
 
So, I was trying to give Frieren a chance.

To be honest I do kinda like it, but its one of those shows I have to be in the mood for, just going by the first four episodes.

Anyway, there was a scene in the third episode that left me scratching my head.

In it, Frieren has a flashback to this time a boy flipped her skirt.

Now, in most anime this wouldn't be odd (at least, not any odder than the obsession with looking up skirts already is). What makes it odd here is she's clearly wearing pants, so its not like anything delicate would have been revealed. And yet Frieren's friends all act like the boy got to see something special.

Did some weird censorship happen? Or was this scene just always nonsensical?
 
Sleazy Car Salesman dijo:
It wasn't censored but it makes perfect sense when you realize that the show is written by orientals.
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Not really. I mean, by contrast Ghost Stories has a scene where that boy makes a joke about getting to see up the main girl's skirt, only for her to reveal she's wearing bike shorts.

I think @Professor Donger made the most sense of it--really nothing happened, just Himmel overreacted. Even Frieren acts like nothing much was done, and I guess the boy could be excused as some kid who had heard about flipping up skirts but never understood why people do it.

Although, I was also confused as to why that counted as a "skirt" in the first place. But whatever, now I'm just being picky.
 
skykiii dijo:
Even Frieren acts like nothing much was done, and I guess the boy could be excused as some kid who had heard about flipping up skirts but never understood why people do it.
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I'm pretty sure Frieren acts like nothing happened because she's generally nonchalant about things at best and socially an old lady at best. A lot of her sensibilities are just different compared to a human specifically because she lives so long, which is one of the main plot points for her.

Someone in a discord I'm in said it best, basically saying that since she's an elf she kind of views a lot of things humans find embarrassing with a bit of detachment or in a "that's dumb" kind of way. Kind of like how a parent would see a kid do something and think "aw isn't that silly or cute."

She can obviously understand human sexuality, since she tried to give Fern the potion that removes clothes so Fern can give Stark a "Gift" for his birthday. But that's a version of Frieren who saw one of her best friends die and has made an effort to learn more about humans overall.

Frieren during her journey was a shut in elf that only started interacting with people outside of business transactions or necessity because she was recruited to fight the demon king. After her master died she literally wanders around and does her own thing for hundreds of years, the 10 years she spends with her party were probably the most social interaction she's had again, since her master died.

So it makes sense that she doesn't really have a problem with it. Also Frierens outfit is closer to a robe or a dress than a skirt.
 
King Dead dijo:
The scenarios are frequently utterly ridiculous, oftentimes seemingly designed to be impossible to pull off, like a guy who lives on a private island enclosed in bulletproof glass but gets killed because Golgo managed to ricochet the bullet off of his pool, specifically off of a wave to change the trajectory. Even the ones where he doesn't actually have to kill someone, like shooting a single string of a violin to make the player completely lose his nerve and never play again, are crazy. Characters will repeatedly say over and over again that there's no way anyone could possibly do it, there just isn't anyone that cool in existence, and then in comes Golgo to make his one expression and prove them wrong. And it's all taken completely seriously, no matter how over the top it gets. Everyone just accepts that Golgo really is that cool.
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I often feel like there's some appeal in also seeing how Golgo is going to pull off these ridiculous feats. For me, what makes it work is that not only is it taken seriously, Golgo's answer is always just on the edge of plausible, so it gets an "Oh, I didn't think of that!" reaction (the story where he has to break a target out of prison being a good example).

A lesser writer would have just said "oh, he's from Krypton" or "oh, he has some gadget we had never heard of before" and left it at that, but the Golgo stories play extremely fair.

Professor Donger dijo:
She can obviously understand human sexuality, since she tried to give Fern the potion that removes clothes so Fern can give Stark a "Gift" for his birthday. But that's a version of Frieren who saw one of her best friends die and has made an effort to learn more about humans overall.
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Yeah, my impression coming away from Frieren (the show, not the character) was that this is a fantasy anime for older people (which suits me just fine). The story of what happened after the quest is over, and the one living long enough to see major people and events in her life reduced to just statues and symbols.

I can imagine that, much like the last unicorn, Himmel's death was the first time she felt genuine regret.

It's something I totally empathize with. Tho again its a show I have to be in the right headspace to watch, hence why I'm only four episodes in.
 
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