💼 Careercow Andrew Dobson (aka Tom Preston)

[OtterParty]

I pulled these out of my recycling bin just for you. These are from drawings Dobson posted to his Patreon. In other words, he expected people to pay for this horseshit.

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Dobson went to college to make art. These are mistakes he could have fixed in two minutes if he put forward his best effort. Dobson's problem isn't that he can't draw. It's that he's lazy and expects to be showered with praise for minimal effort.

So a blatantly toony figure has more fingers on one hand than the other. Still don't see the problem. Just feels like being incredibly nitpicky to me.

Dobbles claims to be a professional artist and has a huge fucking ego, yet he draws like an amatur. I mean, you don't have to be a chef to tell if the food tastes bad.

How much difference is there between pro and amateur anyway? I remember it simply being a matter of whether you're making bank out of it or not. Could be wrong, but... it really would help if you could explain more.

People like talking about bad art, and Dobson is extremely sensitive to criticism of his art style. If you want to talk about other stupid things Dobson does, feel free to do so. Personally, I find discussion of how Dobson sucks at art and storytelling to be more interesting than endlessly reiterating how much of a hypocrite he is, but hey, that's up to you.

Or we could talk about how he sucks at storytelling instead of getting all autistic because he drew more fingers on one hand than another...?

 

[Rin]

Or we could talk about how he sucks at storytelling instead of getting all autistic because he drew more fingers on one hand than another...?

Then talk about that. I'm sure plenty of people would be interested in that conversation if someone started it. Be the change you want to see in the thread - it's more likely to get what you want and it doesn't make you look like you're whining because the thread isn't catering towards your interests.

 

[OtterParty]

That's the problem with Dobson: His art is not really super terrible, it IS bad for someone who supposedly went to college

What would good art from a college graduate look like in comparison?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

@OtterParty, what exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

More Dobot incoming.

 

[Sunny-D]

So he's got a rotten personality and chimps out a lot. Okay, that's good enough to go on. But why are we all bashing his art? It really isn't that bad. The expressions are varied, even the "ugly" faces have a point. It's caricature and exaggeration and those things go hand in hand with cartoon drawings. When I see a cartoonist draw stuff I don't expect Da Vinci tier things with perfect proportions that loveshies would fap to. As long as there's enough variety and color and expression, I don't see why I should be demanding more.

His "plotlines" suck and he's a whiny delusional beta nerd. That's already plenty to laugh at and I think we should be pointing at that and mocking him for it. There seriously isn't anything bad about his art and to screech about it for 700+ pages strikes me as just excessive. We're flogging a dead horse here, and it wasn't even one that particularly deserved to die.

His art's not TERRIBLE. There is some genuinely terrible art out there, Dobson is comparatively pretty mediocre. But he's a specific type of mediocre where he makes a lot of consistently really stupid mistakes, and he refuses to learn from these mistakes or improve. Over time, his art has only gotten worse, as he puts less and less effort into it.

From a layman's perspective his art might look "mediocre but not hideous", but people who draw stuff can tell pretty easily it's utter shit. His shading is terrible because he only shades with black/grey and it makes everything look dull, washed out and flat. For some reason he always draws everything with enormous thick lines, which could be a stylistic choice for some people, but since he doesn't vary line weight or anything in an effective way, and particularly because he likes to put lines all over people's faces to make them look like they're 40 years older than they're actually supposed to be, it just looks bad. He uses really idiotic techniques, like scanning (hand drawn) images in black and white with zero anti-aliasing and using the paint bucket to fill in the colors. He can't draw faces to save his life, and he can't draw hands that actually look like they're holding anything either, instead they look like whatever object they're supposed to be interacting with is just floating in front of them. Hell, nothing he draws looks like it's a 3-dimensional form interacting with other 3-dimensional forms. Everything's flat as cardboard, and in a bad way. He can't draw backgrounds and overuses gradients. And when he's trying to draw something even slightly complicated (big ben lol) he just traces it.

None of these would be unforgiveable art offenses by themselves, he'd just be a mediocre, shitty artist. But he also used to constantly advise his audience, which mostly consisted of younger aspiring artists or cartoonists, to do the same things. He believed that the shitty, half-assed things he does are actual, viable professional art techniques. And they're really not. That and his complete inability to take critiques in the first place.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

So a blatantly toony figure has more fingers on one hand than the other. Still don't see the problem. Just feels like being incredibly nitpicky to me.

Cartoon characters generally have the same amount of fingers on both hands. Having different numbers of fingers on each hand isn't being cartoony - it's the artist being a lazy fuckwit.

I don't get you, man. You're entitled to your opinion but if you're trying to convince people here that Dobson isn't a mediocre artist at best you're wasting your time.

 

[pickledance]

What would good art from a college graduate look like in comparison?

Dobs took a 4 year degree. This artist took a 10 month illustration diploma:
Think about that. 4 years of intensive art training vs 10 months. The artist of this is also younger than Dobs.

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

So...I was looking through some of his older comics and stuff, and he really does just ask for it. Trying to come off as "controversial" and whatnot.

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I have to admit, since the first time I saw this I been looking into reading Nero Wolfe. I like mystery novels and it sounds interesting. So... Thanks Dobson?

 

[GS 281]

This guys art isn't bad, I happen to like it. I remember a few years ago seeing some stuff that looked like this on 789chan. This drawing of a ponychick in kneesocks. I thought it was hot other than the ponybanging at the end. Get over 784 pages on this guy? Cmon kiwis. I cant tell who's had enough atvthis point.

 

[wheat pasta]

I don't agree with this thread/understand why this subject is a lolcow, I'd better come shit it up.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Dobson's art isn't his biggest issue obviously. I'd put that in the backseat compared to his Crusading Hypocrite stance on pretty much everything.

Of course there's worse art, but it leaves a particularly foul taste nothing else ever had.

His only talents are being against everything and everyone, and if you never open yourself up for anything, you'll never be true to yourself (let's face it, Dobson is trying to change how swinging doors work in terms of fitting in). This is Dobson in a nutshell.

 

[Zvantastika]

What would good art from a college graduate look like in comparison?

Depends, if we're talking about cartoons (which is supposedly what Dobsons does):

Spoiler: Big image

https://sneed-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/be/e0/35/bee035a3d2a3329e6f156af498f49ea6.jpg

Notice how every character has very different angles of action and have really different ways of expressing themselves, some move their whole body to enchance something (Mickey, Arthur the squirrel, etc), while others have a more neutral body position but a very expressive face (Alice, Princess Aurora and Bambi). I point out so you can see that Dobson always use the same stock characters, expressions and body motions in most of his comics.

Now a character in specific:

Spoiler: Another big image

As you can see, most of these characters have very specific designs and probably the most important feature: their facial expressions. Even if it's only a sketch, you can easily know what the character is feeling without the need of exagerating his whole face (Roxanne head in the middle for example). Dobs doesn't like this and always deforms the face and stretch them to the limit, which results in characters overreacting and general sensation of uneasyness.

Now, a finished frame looks like this:

Spoiler: Big beautiful image

The background, the colors, the shading. Where should I start?.

You might think that comparing Dobs to old Disney is kind of unfair, but that's my point. Dobs really thinks he's good enough for Disney and he thinks he's capable of doing all this. Now with all that in mind, examine one pic from Dobson himself (pic one, whichever you want).
I'm not sure about you but the difference is abyssmal. Sure, I'm not going to ask him to make a movie with the quality of Sleeping Beauty, but maybe ask him to make one single image of one character and actually pay Dobson to do it, that's more reasonable right?, and I'm sure he might put more effort into it and he wouldn't totally trace, wouldn't he?:
http://tompreston.deviantart.com/art/Samus-V-Ridley-463477102
(that took him like 4 months btw)

You be the judge now.

 

[100 Whole Bepis]

What would good art from a college graduate look like in comparison?

This is what Andrew Dobson's college roommate, Andrew Chesworth went on to create:

He's also worked on scenes from Frozen and Big Hero 6. The guy works for Disney.

Both of them went to the same school, had the same classes for the same length of time. But while Chesworth busted his ass improving his craft, Dobson has actively regressed in a way that I've never seen any other artist do. He makes mistakes that even most amateurs manage to avoid when he has every reason to know better, AND he thinks he's entitled to give advice when almost everything he says is dead wrong and will stunt the growth of aspiring artists.

That's why Dobson being a "professional artist" makes all the difference.

EDIT: It's also worth mentioning that there's a few early SYAC cartoons where Dobson pretty much mocks Chesworth's hard work and dedication. Because if he wasn't a bitter cunt, he wouldn't be Andrew Dobson.

 

[Hummingbird]

So...I was looking through some of his older comics and stuff, and he really does just ask for it. Trying to come off as "controversial" and whatnot.
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Given that Lady In the Water is a big, self-glorifying film that puts the director on a pedestal (via his character), I bet Dobson is just living through that movie.

Do people really give that much of a fuck about how boobs are portrayed? It's kinda a given that most artists like drawing fucking big boobs.

Besides, the whole idea of art is to look eye-catching and unique. Not everything has to be perfect (although one still has to try, Dobson).

I see you haven't been to the SJW Art and Extremes thread. There are a good number of people who share Dobson's feelings.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

In response to his "free of DA" post.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

In response to his "free of DA" post.
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I think most trolls will be quite happy to hear its staying up, actually.

 

[Rin]

In which we talk about how Dobson's storytelling sucks, because @OtterParty is bored by art criticism and this thread exists merely to entertain him:

So first off, Dobson is terrible at webpage design. This is not really relevant to his writing skills, but it does make reviewing his writing ability a huge bitch. I had to dig through several pages of just art in order to find the actual first story comic, because I don't trust his archive. Assuming I was a new reader, this would be enough to turn me off the series. Also, the arrows are only at the top of the screen, so I have to scroll down, read the page, and then scroll back up.

The first strip that has actual words to it (which, by the way, is not the oldest one listed in the archives) is back from the older character design, where Alex actually did look mildly butch, though not as butch as Atea. Alex bitches about the fact that everyone mistakes her for a guy, hilariously complaining that "normal guys" never hit on her. Atea suggests that maybe Alex isn't as cute as she is, and Alex pitches a huge fit about how she's totally feminine, ironically proving Atea's point. This is supposed to be funny, but it just makes Atea come off as rude and Alex come off as a huge bitch. Sam pops up from nowhere, Peggy pops up from nowhere a few panels later and pulls down his pants, revealing that Sam has kitty underwear. The girls squee over how cute said underwear is. It's very uncomfortable; there's this weird sexual undertone to it, like it's secretly fetish material masquerading as something family-friendly.

Speaking of creepy fetish material, here's a drawing of Alex melting with a weirdly aroused expression.

There are some dumb gag strips: Alex stealing Sam's food, Alex pretending to kiss Sam but actually headbutting him, Alex threatening to kill a guy for mistaking her for a man and hitting on her. So far, Alex is a major bitch with no redeemable traits. She's not even fun to hate or entertainingly nasty. This is our main character, people. It reminds me of the other comic about the bully girl - Dobson seems to think that we should find his unpleasant female leads likable for some reason. I honestly can't make sense of it even from a fetish perspective.

Peggy sexually harasses Atea and Sam gets in trouble too for some reason. Dobson doesn't realize that Rumiko Takahashi, who he's clearly ripping off, managed to actually establish a plotline and amusing characters in among the jokes.

Oh hey! The first strip about actual pirates. Alex catches a cannonball and throws it back at the other ship destroying it, because fuck consistency, we're just in it for the gags. This is the point where I officially lose interest and wander off to find something actually entertaining to spend time on.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

I have to admit, since the first time I saw this I been looking into reading Nero Wolfe. I like mystery novels and it sounds interesting. So... Thanks Dobson?

They're really good. It's best to read them in chronological order.

I bet Dob never even read them and just saw the TV show.

 

[Ification]

I pulled these out of my recycling bin just for you. These are from drawings Dobson posted to his Patreon. In other words, he expected people to pay for this horseshit.

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Dobson went to college to make art. These are mistakes he could have fixed in two minutes if he put forward his best effort. Dobson's problem isn't that he can't draw. It's that he's lazy and expects to be showered with praise for minimal effort.

Maybe those aren't mistakes. There are people who have been born with only four fingers on one hand, and Dobson could have decided to give those characters that defect.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

This is what Andrew Dobson's college roommate, Andrew Chesworth went on to create:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=u8K0dOvgXyM
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ioeoAJdx3E
He's also worked on scenes from Frozen and Big Hero 6. The guy works for Disney.

Both of them went to the same school, had the same classes for the same length of time. But while Chesworth busted his ass improving his craft, Dobson has actively regressed in a way that I've never seen any other artist do. He makes mistakes that even most amateurs manage to avoid when he has every reason to know better, AND he thinks he's entitled to give advice when almost everything he says is dead wrong and will stunt the growth of aspiring artists.

That's why Dobson being a "professional artist" makes all the difference.

EDIT: It's also worth mentioning that there's a few early SYAC cartoons where Dobson pretty much mocks Chesworth's hard work and dedication. Because if he wasn't a bitter cunt, he wouldn't be Andrew Dobson.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

And that's sad. What's sadder is that even though they're still not that great, even Chris-Tran and B^Uckley have tried to improve their craft. That's how bad Dobson is. That I have to compare him with a creep that did a miscarriage arc and a psychotic, cross-dressing manchild and they both win. Hell, I'm sure if Dobson ever tried to criticize them, I'm more than sure they would instantly call him out on his shit.

Also, has this been posted yet?