💼 Careercow Andrew Dobson (aka Tom Preston)

[Von Clausewitz]

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He drew this years ago but it's so accurate about his whole deal with patreon it's almost chilling.

This is one of the more common quotes you can read on any "Clients From Hell" website. As a freelancer, it isn't that uncommon to hear this sort of reasoning, when someone hires you to design something (logo, website, letter, small brochure, business card, etc.pp.). But that is usually the point where you tell them that you don't do it for free and leave politely, if they don't listen.

Many people have no idea how much work and time goes into a good design, since there is nothing physical, they don't see its worth. Even if you say "I will need X hours for this", they assume that you whip up their logo in 10 minutes and waste the rest of your time on Facebook. Sure, you can sit down and have some sort of enlightenment, but in other cases you stare blankly at the screen with no idea whatsoever, totally wasting your estimated time on the assignment.

So yes... Fedobear made a point that has already been made a gazillion times before and it isn't even funny - not surprisingly.

However, Patreon is different:
The money comes from people that willingly pay you a few bucks each month (or per episode/comic/etc.) for doing the stuff you probably already did anyway. You don't need to work more, just because you have more patrons (an idea Dobbers can surely get behind) except for the bonuses you offer them. In order to get more patrons ( = more money ) you need exposure, lots and lots of exposure. You want to advertise yourself to the internet and potential patrons. And the best way to do that, is spreading your art all over the net and add a patron link to it. This is why the entire 'art thieves'-thing Globson was bitching about is so mind-baffling.

 

[MayMay]

However, Patreon is different:
The money comes from people that willingly pay you a few bucks each month (or per episode/comic/etc.) for doing the stuff you probably already did anyway. You don't need to work more, just because you have more patrons (an idea Dobbers can surely get behind) except for the bonuses you offer them. However in order to get more patrons ( = more money ) you need exposure, lots and lots of exposure. You want advertise yourself to the internet and potential patrons. And the best way to do that, is spreading your art all over the net and add a patron link to it. This is why the entire 'art thieves'-thing Globson was bitching about is so mind-baffling.

It's also why you'll find a lot of artists who will put up free stuff and put the patreon logo on it, like "want more of this? Become a patron!" instead of "GIMME MONEY! What you wanna see if I'm any good? THIEF!"

 

[Stud2Stud]

This makes me feel so damn sad
[MEDIA=twitter]625437784921260033[/MEDIA]It's obvious he's using skyrim to simulate a loving family life.

Jesus Christ, that's depressing...
"Everybody's here, even my little starshine, I hope she'll gr-grow up to be a strong independent *sob* independent womyn of color" after which Dobs grabs a tub of lard and drowns his sorrows...

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Don't try to confuse the mighty Dob by using facts and logic!

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Dobe puts one of his characters in a barmaid outfit, but only when he's got her in her home all alone....

How could anyone mistake Dobson for a lecherous creep?
HE'S SO PROGESSIVE!

Someone created a Tom Preston Drinking Game.

http://busket.tumblr.com/post/28824349669/tom-preston-drinking-game

I like that a lot more than the "Backlash Bingo" Dobson came up with... what can I say, Dobson gets bested by his trolls even in this area...

Holy shit, Dobson.
How far will you go to please these "oppressed wymmnz"?
Cut off your balls?

On a semi-related note, Violet Eve is straddling the lolcow fence. Her Twitter is just...yikes.

Well done Dobby. Smooth move.
And yeah, that "Moth Reborn" girl is weird. I doubt she'd be entertaining enough to be a lolcow, but she certainly is insipid enough to warrant some attention.

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Tweet 1)
Do people even do that outside of Pokemon cartoons? I guess he's just too much of a weenie to deal with competition and wants his precious 90s "Everybody is a winner!" attitude to be true again.
Tweet 2)
Unless it's trolls that you depcited getting beaten up or smashed by several tons of weight on multiple occassions. Oh wait, that was in the past, so it's not true anymore.
Tweet 3)
I concur, pretty much the main reason why I despise SJWs and their henchmen and lapdogs, who are willing to argue about clothes exclusively while the world celebrates the first ever successful landing of a drone on a comet.

Well, hell, you could just take characters, put them in the same setting(s) and such but just flesh 'em out some more. Like, say, Lesbian Kick having a long history of crushes that she failed to act upon and one by one they got paired off with people who actually made the first move and feels that she has to be super-forceful from then on regardless of if they're interested or not. It wouldn't really justify what she's doing but it makes it rather understandable and even pitiable if Alex was actually straight or something...

Wait... did you just vastly improve Lesbiankicks design within a mere paragraph of text by making her relateable and likeable? While also vastly improving the relationship between Gypsypirate and Lesbiankick by adding conflict that's not just stolen punchlines from Ranma1/2?

 

[MMX]

It's also why you'll find a lot of artists who will put up free stuff and put the patreon logo on it, like "want more of this? Become a patron!" instead of "GIMME MONEY! What you wanna see if I'm any good? THIEF!"

If Dobsons work were a movie there would be no trailer, no teaser, no movie poster, no tie ins and the cast would have no disclosure contracts to stop them talking about what they have been doing, you would be expected to see the movie without any preconceptions other than "this is worth money to see". And if you did for some reason watch the movie you would be forbidden from telling friends or leaving reviews because that would make you a movie thief.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

Say, did you guys ever see the Alex ze Pirate redone comic that some goon did? It started off with a straight rewrite of one of the more pointless AzP story arcs and is rather the best:

http://www.badreputationcomic.com/?p=19

The characters are more thought out and aren't one note like Dobson's.

 

[Stud2Stud]

If Dobsons work were a movie there would be no trailer, no teaser, no movie poster, no tie ins and the cast would have no disclosure contracts to stop them talking about what they have been doing, you would be expected to see the movie without any preconceptions other than "this is worth money to see". And if you did for some reason watch the movie you would be forbidden from telling friends or leaving reviews because that would make you a movie thief.

When you put it like that, Dobby could work for EA.
Match made in heaven, if you ask me. Dobby is an appropriately shitty person to deserve working for a really shitty company like EA.

 

[MayMay]

If Dobsons work were a movie there would be no trailer, no teaser, no movie poster, no tie ins and the cast would have no disclosure contracts to stop them talking about what they have been doing, you would be expected to see the movie without any preconceptions other than "this is worth money to see". And if you did for some reason watch the movie you would be forbidden from telling friends or leaving reviews because that would make you a movie thief.

But Dobson himself would be standing outside with one of those cardboard sign thingies crazy rapture theorists wear demanding people to go see his movie that he says nothing about or he'll commit suicide.

Wait... did you just vastly improve Lesbiankicks design within a mere paragraph of text by making her relateable and likeable? While also vastly improving the relationship between Gypsypirate and Lesbiankick by adding conflict that's not just stolen punchlines from Ranma1/2?

Eheheh, I just like doing that sort of thing with characters! It comes pretty naturally nowadays.

If I knew more about anyone else I'd probably do a take on them too. It's a bit sad that the token black lesbian is the most identifiable character of the lot...

 

[MMX]

When you put it like that, Dobby could work for EA.
Match made in heaven, if you ask me. Dobby is an appropriately shitty person to deserve working for a really shitty company like EA.

Dobson is the artistic equivalent of assassins creed unity.....except Dobson/Ubi is so in denial that there's anything wrong with the finished product.....What do u mean rushed/traced ?.....Why should I fix those errors ?.....Artists shouldn't be forced to patch things !!!!

 

[Stud2Stud]

Okay, which one of you asked for Dobson posting some self-serving bullshit?

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Okay, which one of you asked for Dobson posting some self-serving bullshit?

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That's not the way I remember it, Dobson. Weren't you mad at him for giving you critique?

 

[MayMay]

"It's always sad to see a talented artist picking or tearing down a lesser not as skilled artist."

Ahem, double negative/very badly worded tweet from the "intelligent" Dobson aside:

Often I actually see realistic stuff being more popular. When looking up pictures of, say, pokemon, a lot of the really popular (sfw) ones are probably going to be "realistic (x)" mainly because detail takes a lot of appreciative skill.

I'd be mad too if I put my all into digital painting and got less notice than an idiot lolcow who's only real reason for fame is making braindead strawman comics for idiot kids and even bigger idiot sjws who go nuts for anything that panders to them.

I can't digitally paint to save my life, perhaps because I have a poor sense for shading...

 

[House Of Reeves]

Okay, which one of you asked for Dobson posting some self-serving bullshit?

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Damn Dobson. Don't break your drawing hand jerking off your ego.

 

[MMX]

Okay, which one of you asked for Dobson posting some self-serving bullshit?

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Dude seriously
Your work is popular only with a bunch of tween deviant tartlets who think a combination of any two franchises is the most awesome and orginal thing ever.
No one bought your comics and no one but us is interested in u.
Wu-chan will never suck your cock.....move on

 

[chimpburgers]

Okay, which one of you asked for Dobson posting some self-serving bullshit?

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Coming from the clown that managed to piss on his whole fanbase by leaving DA and desperately whoring out his Patreon. He's not one to talk.

 

[Rabbit Bones]

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He really is delusional. If his little scribbles were more popular than actual art, he'd be loaded. He'd be in museums. People would hold auctions to sell his shit. He's have books that weren't self published. But as it stands, he's barely able to raise $100 a month for his self serving bullshit. Fuck, cartoons don't even have to be simple. Look at Calvin and Hobbs. Some of those panels were insanely detailed and well drawn. The dinosaur in the jet, for example. Dobby could never draw something like that.

 

[Sanae Kochiya]

[MEDIA=twitter]625565247743508480[/MEDIA][MEDIA=twitter]625565642872061952[/MEDIA][MEDIA=twitter]625566000650436608[/MEDIA]Hypocrisy alert!

Does Dobson actually read any of the Tweets he posts or is it all random access streams of consciousness?

 

[Von Clausewitz]

"It's always sad to see a talented artist picking or tearing down a lesser not as skilled artist."

...so, how do you call it, when a untalented artist is trying to pick on or tear down a better and more skilled artist?

Like *clicks through Dobsons webcomic*: Hideo Kojima, the people from Marvel and DC Comics, George Lucas, Rob Liefeld... and yes, I just mentioned Rob Liefeld and George Lucas, after all, look to whom I am comparing them to.

 

[CrimsonKnight]

A thinly veiled pot shot at the "haters" and "trolls".

 

[Geewunner]

There is no end to Dobson's faggotry, you can tell by the fact that this thread is still going on. He just keeps giving us material.

A thinly veiled pot shot at the "haters" and "trolls".
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wow, just wow.

 

[MMX]

A thinly veiled pot shot at the "haters" and "trolls".
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Remember Dobson da trolls only found out about you after you got caught pretending to be a girl who enjoyed drawing pictures of women being kidnapped and tortured till they exploded.
Not sure if that counts as an open heart.