💼 Careercow Andrew Dobson (aka Tom Preston)

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Stud2Stud dijo:
Come to think about it, what other solution would there be to get rid of a villain? Retirement?
Nah, I bet Dobson would go the "Villain joins the heroes" route - aka: the most kids-friendly, asinine solution possible.
The villain realizes he was wrong the entire time and thus ceases to be an asshole and just joins the "good side".

Kind of like what Dobson wants with his "trolls" and "Haters" to happen.
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What Dobson doesn't realize (aside of the fact that sometimes killing the bad guy is the only way to permanently get rid of the conflict and that what he wants can only work in the most harmless kids shows when the villain in particular is not even the worst) is the following: Dobson tends more and more to be the bad guy himself. Not in the way that he wants to take over the world or wants to spill racism around the globe, but his self centered world view, his constant attempts at justifying his means, loathing the success of others while himself not doing anything? More and more what we would get from a selfish asshole, which many of these old cartoon villlains were.
 
UglyOldJafar dijo:
What Dobson doesn't realize (aside of the fact that sometimes killing the bad guy is the only way to permanently get rid of the conflict and that what he wants can only work in the most harmless kids shows when the villain in particular is not even the worst) is the following: Dobson tends more and more to be the bad guy himself. Not in the way that he wants to take over the world or wants to spill racism around the globe, but his self centered world view his constant attempts at justifying his means, loathing the success of others while himself not doing anything? More and more what we would get from a selfish asshole, which many of these old cartoon villlains were.
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To be honest i think its a modern ideal to work towards having minor Villians join the good guys.
Most avengers and x-men members were former Villians.
Most of buffys crew tried to kill her at some point.
Lex luther runs the justice league (possibly still ?)
They just tend to be written better than heroes. They have morally complexity, the willingness to do things others wont dirty their hands with a redemption sells.
Its surprising these days when a big bad is actually killed off with no way to retcon the event.
Even game of thrones has a central theme of everyone coming together to face the greater threat ( and failing due to himan pettyness).

Dobbie is at heart the cliche well meaning Villian. He assumes he knows whats best, he assumes he speaks for others and assumes that any attack on him is out of mean spiritedness.
 
Do we know whether or not Dobs ever watched Wakfu?
I'll have to admit, I am a big fan of the first season and I especially liked the Antagonist, who was not only menacing and badass, but also relateable and to some degree even pitiable.
Wouldn't be surprised if Dobs hated it for some weird reason like John calling it "problematic" or the fact it was done in Flash... or (for additional Hypocrisy-points): he hates it for having an anime-inspired style.
 
Is it weird that I think of this every time I see Dobson's name?
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UglyOldJafar dijo:
What Dobson doesn't realize (aside of the fact that sometimes killing the bad guy is the only way to permanently get rid of the conflict and that what he wants can only work in the most harmless kids shows when the villain in particular is not even the worst) is the following: Dobson tends more and more to be the bad guy himself. Not in the way that he wants to take over the world or wants to spill racism around the globe, but his self centered world view, his constant attempts at justifying his means, loathing the success of others while himself not doing anything? More and more what we would get from a selfish asshole, which many of these old cartoon villlains were.
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For some odd reason, this sounds like Dobson is turning into the unsuccessful SJW-step-cousin of Handsome Jack.

*blinks*

I just realized find Handsome Jack much more tolerable than Dobson.
 
MMX dijo:
To be honest i think its a modern ideal to work towards having minor Villians join the good guys.
Most avengers and x-men members were former Villians.
Most of buffys crew tried to kill her at some point.
Lex luther runs the justice league (possibly still ?)
They just tend to be written better than heroes. They have morally complexity, the willingness to do things others wont dirty their hands with a redemption sells.
Its surprising these days when a big bad is actually killed off with no way to retcon the event.

Dobbie is at heart the cliche well meaning Villian. He assumes he knows whats best, he assumes he speaks for others and assumes that any attack on him is out of mean spiritedness.
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Frankly, I am a fan of redeeming villains myself or villains who had good intentions that ended up twisted eventually helping the good guys. But that always depends on the source. As you said, in order to sell it you have to write them in a morraly complex way or just better. But we are not even talking here mostly about these complex villains in context of Dobson, as these are not necessarily villains in stories he follows. We are talking here about kids show villains like Peridot in Steven Universe or probably My little Pony villains. You know: The sort of bad guy who are so one dimensional or incompetent in how evil they are, you end up felling bad for them when the heroes defeat them for the eight hundred time. So the Team Rockets of villainy. Which I am okay with. But obviously Dobson seems to be blind to the fact that there are just villains (and in real life, real people) who are outright evil and unredeemable.
Like the Joker in Batman, Dandy from American Horror Story,the nazis in Breaking Bad and so on.
(as for real world examples, just look up Stalin. Every person who sends their own family to death camps certainly does not deserve mercy if you ask me)
Sorry Dobson, there are just stories where the bad guys can't be talked down and everyone ends up getting a happy end and second chances. If that were the case, your beloved Lord of the Rings would be a completely different story regarding Sauron. whose end you were celebrating.
I really would like to see Dobson, with that mindset, being forced to rewrite some story by a succesful author, where the bad guy has to die for the sake of the good characters surviving. And just to make him sweat more, I would let it be Cujo by Stephen King.

BTW, if Dobson is the well meaning villain by heart... does that mean Dobson is the mother of Kyle Broflowski from the South Park movie?

KingGeedorah dijo:
Is it weird that I think of this every time I see Dobson's name?
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Yeah. Too much hair and the face doesn't look enough like a potatoe.
 
UglyOldJafar dijo:
BTW, if Dobson is the well meaning villain by heart... does that mean Dobson is the mother of Kyle Broflowski from the South Park movie?
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Well it took sheila the length of the movie to realise she was wrong. Were still waiting on dobbie

I would say dandy and joker are more evil as an illness than true evil. We all know jokers story and dandy is a product of incest and poor parenting. There was a point were both could be saved and both have moments of lucidity.
True evil, not evil by nature or nurture is rare these days in media.
 
MMX dijo:
True evil, not evil by nature or nurture is rare these days in media.
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Okay, I will give you that. Still, it exists. And I just think that as someone else said, if Dobson thinks not accepting that sometimes a villain gets killed for the sake of the plot counts as "mature", he is wrong. On the ground that by doing so, he pretty much limits his own views on things just to be in a safe space, which in itself is immature.
As someone said yesterday in South Park: Life is not a liberal arts campus, so grow up.

Although it makes me think: How would this guy try to write an actual villain?
If he hasn't already with Cathy N. After all, she killed women for her own sexual pleasure.
 
Null dijo:
It tells me that most of his fuckup comes between lining something and painting it. I wonder if he just gets lazy when coloring or what.
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i would suggest he sticks to this ink style. it's more aesthetically pleasing and i could see him having more people viewing his art favorably. sometimes keeping it simple makes things much better
 
cat dijo:
i would suggest he sticks to this ink style. it's more aesthetically pleasing and i could see him having more people viewing his art favorably. sometimes keeping it simple makes things much better
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Also, it just seems like the ink pictures have more "life" in them. I don't know how to describe it, but it's not as flat as his colored work.
 
KingGeedorah dijo:
Also, it just seems like the ink pictures have more "life" in them. I don't know how to describe it, but it's not as flat as his colored work.
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With a bit of Luck, this Inktober will improve his inking skills a bit.
We've observed quite a lot of times that his sketches don't looks so bad, but the moment he inks them, they start to look really lackluster.
 
Stud2Stud dijo:
With a bit of Luck, this Inktober will improve his inking skills a bit.
We've observed quite a lot of times that his sketches don't looks so bad, but the moment he inks them, they start to look really lackluster.
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Question, why is that? I personally assume it has something to do with how by inking it, his linework in general becomes too thick to the point that many of his pictures just look less like the characters being organic and more like some artpiece consisting out of separate parts you can stick together. Which gets pretty obvious in pieces with many characters in one frame, as they seem ofte times less like being on the same plane of existence and more like badly photoshopped in. That and something in the shade of the colors he uses just doesn't seem right. They are too bright with not enough realistic shades if you get me.
Not to forget how he may remove certain lines (especially speed lines) between a general black and white sketch and the coloring process
 
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