Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

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Eve's powers and the arbitrariness of their limitations are fully explored in the comics, but it's even a spoiler to say that it ends up being a major part of the ending. She's generally useless but it's not, like, an oversight.
 
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Eve's powers and the arbitrariness of their limitations are fully explored in the comics, but it's even a spoiler to say that it ends up being a major part of the ending. She's generally useless but it's not, like, an oversight.
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Eve's powers are essentially 'support fleshlight'. It's almost kind of funny if it weren't so shitty.
 
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I appreciate that she's written like a realistic suburban white girl, ie zero imagination whatsoever. If we can accept Doc Manhattan not being a deus ex because he no longer gives a shit about humanity, we should accept that cosmic powers are simply pointless in the hands of a dumb hole.
See, Kirkman makes some good points sometimes.
 
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I appreciate that she's written like a realistic suburban white girl, ie zero imagination whatsoever. If we can accept Doc Manhattan not being a deus ex because he no longer gives a shit about humanity, we should accept that cosmic powers are simply pointless in the hands of a dumb hole.
See, Kirkman makes some good points sometimes.
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Not exactly. If this was the case then why have her excel in her own special? She was much more creative, quick-thinking, and competent at 12 than at 20. The logical route would be that as she grew and gained more experience, she would become better with her powers. Even if she's not "creative," she should at least be competent enough to do useful things like make functional weapons, guards, and understand basic combat. How is she simultaneously a chemistry genius with a broad understanding of every single thing in existence because of atoms, but she needs to go to college for architecture (why go to college at all when you could literally go to the GDA and learn first hand in ALL fields of STEM)? How is she an extremely empathetic, self-aware, and humanitarian person, but she never used her powers to literally feed millions, create better homes, or even help in the aftermath of a supervillain attack? She couldn't even just blitz money into existence or turn her shit to gold & sell it to help her family or bf! Hell, why don't any of the other characters (namely, Wannabe-Protector of Earth, GDA Manager, CECIL STEDMAN) step in and make suggestions. Have her duplicate medications, quickfix weapons, restore blockades, manage food supplies, ANYTHING! She doesn't even have to do much, just be generally useful!

I don't think its realism for shit. I think Kirkman is a lazy quack writer who doesn't think as far as he can throw.
 
Symbol of the Chud dijo:
Kirkman is OBSESSED with subversions, that's what the multiverse shit is. But it's often so subversive that it just wastes everyone's fucking time. The Invincible War in the comics took place over a single fucking issue. Invincible is kind of like a comicbook for people who don't actually like comicbooks. "Look how subversive it is!" But the reality is that comics have already played just about every story that Invincible does countless times before by virtue of decades of consistent content.
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Honestly is Invincible even meant to be a subversion?

Because I heard from someone else that Kirkman doesn't even considers Invincible a subversion and just wrote it because he likes superheroes.
No idea if that's actually true but it would makes sense if you consider that Invincible is just DC/Dragonball lite with a slightly modified version of the Darth Vader storyline from Star Wars.

For example if we take the multiverse stuff, that part of the story just takes a cliche from superhero comics and plays it completely straight, what exactly is the intended subversion here? Or is the more logical answer that it actually just exist in the comic because the author thought it was entertaining?
 
GeorgeSmarty dijo:
Honestly is Invincible even meant to be a subversion?

Because I heard from someone else that Kirkman doesn't even considers Invincible a subversion and just wrote it because he likes superheroes.
No idea if that's actually true but it would makes sense if you consider that Invincible is just DC/Dragonball lite with a slightly modified version of the Darth Vader storyline from Star Wars.

For example if we take the multiverse stuff, that part of the story just takes a cliche from superhero comics and plays it completely straight, what exactly is the intended subversion here? Or is the more logical answer that it actually just exist in the comic because the author thought it was entertaining?
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it is and it isnt
it is an earnest work that portrays itself seriously, but subverts common tropes from superhero media in a different number of ways from being played straight to deconstruction
 
Yeah but nowadays every story that doesn't follows the exact cliches is praised for being a clever subversion or disliked for being a generic subversion, most of the time both things simultanously.

For example the first Spiderman from the 60s was a nerd who first tries to use his powers to make money and gets his uncle killed because he didn't care about stopping a thief. If it would come out nowadays people likely would also call it a subversion.

My point is more about how everyone is weirdly neurotic about subversions or lack of them after Watchmen.
 
Taxes dijo:
I don't think its realism for shit. I think Kirkman is a lazy quack writer who doesn't think as far as he can throw.
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This is Invincible (both the comic and show) and The Boys (mostly the show) down to their essence. They just attempt to subvert or elevate standard comic book tropes but in the end eventually embrace all of them. To the point where they become a parody of a popular comic book series instead of true subversion. The fights in Invincible are just two people mostly punching each other. It's reddit's favorite comic for a reason.
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it is an earnest work that portrays itself seriously, but subverts common tropes from superhero media in a different number of ways from being played straight to deconstruction
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It's mediocre slop written by a hack. Comic and show. And both have some of the worst animation and graphics of anything that is supposedly in the 'greatest of all time' conversation. It's uninspired Alegria art with famous voice actors. With awful writing. Watch Spawn on HBO if you want to see something actually going against the grain with an animated series.
 
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The fights in Invincible are just two people mostly punching each other.
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Viltrumite Fights are so fucking boring holy shit.
If you want your big ticket fights to be between two people who are just flying bricks with no other powers, then at least do something interesting with their fighting styles or something.

You're telling me that Viltrumites live for fucking thousands of years and not one of them has thought more about combat than just "PUNCH FAST AND HARD! KILL KILL!" all of them should be fucking Ra's al Ghul tier martial arts masters on account of living for nothing but conflict for centuries, but half of their fights are them ineffectually punching at each other before somebody realizes "Oh wait, I actually instantly win fights if I use my karate chop swipe that cuts people in half."
 
GeorgeSmarty dijo:
Honestly is the celebrity voice acting even good for marketing? I sure as well don't know any of these guys.
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It's not. But that's not why they do it. Big actors have better agents. So they get parts for the Super Mario movies and other big productions. The lie that they put out is that "it's for marketing purposes". Not that these nepotism hires and political hires jump the line past everyone else and that show business casting is often rigged.

A big part of Los Angeles's economy are people moving their with dreams of acting. Then failing and working menial jobs until their deaths. They don't want to mess with the career janitors and coffee baristas but informing them that they never had a chance.
 
TheHarbinger dijo:
It's not. But that's not why they do it. Big actors have better agents. So they get parts for the Super Mario movies and other big productions. The lie that they put out is that "it's for marketing purposes". Not that these nepotism hires and political hires jump the line past everyone else and that show business casting is often rigged.

A big part of Los Angeles's economy are people moving their with dreams of acting. Then failing and working menial jobs until their deaths. They don't want to mess with the career janitors and coffee baristas but informing them that they never had a chance.
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Fun fact: 99.9% of actors give up before making it
 
Just had yet another retarded woke scene play out I noticed.
Season 2. Bulletproof is picking apart the new guardians and pointing out the flaws.

When he brings up Cecil he goes on to say “He’s a suit that would throw us all under the bus to save WHITE AMERICA”
Nigger what?? Where did this line even come from? Cecil’s entire deal has always always been about protecting the entire globe, where is this logic from bulletproof coming? It’s so tiresome bruh, how long has this stuff been sliding through and I’m just now noticing on a rewatch?
 
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Just had yet another retarded woke scene play out I noticed.
Season 2. Bulletproof is picking apart the new guardians and pointing out the flaws.

When he brings up Cecil he goes on to say “He’s a suit that would throw us all under the bus to save WHITE AMERICA”
Nigger what?? Where did this line even come from? Cecil’s entire deal has always always been about protecting the entire globe, where is this logic from bulletproof coming? It’s so tiresome bruh, how long has this stuff been sliding through and I’m just now noticing on a rewatch?
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Bulletproof is a loathsome nigger who killed his own parents, I wouldn't take what he says seriously.
 
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