Some people seem to be misinterpreting what I said. I only read a little bit of the thread, but it's the same outrage you'd see anywhere else. No one, for the most part, is interested in what a child may have actually experienced. It's all the same degree of bad in their heads, and thus pedos are all the same degree of bad. From what I can see, some little girl recording herself fapping is just as much a victim as Daisy to most people. Express a rudimentary critical thought and you're generally suspect at best.
Indeed. This particular paragraph is a bit of an example of what people have to do to get these people to even consider facts.
1) "understandable" ie logical, as a means to keep their ego intact because they're that fragile
2) "not a defence" because some are too irrational to tell the difference, and some are malicious and/or cynical enough to attribute malice rather than take the info for what it is
3) "just a fact/real statistics" similar to 2.
All this, not just for the sake of facts but also as a shield from the stupid behavior of some.
I did a search of this thread for 'grey zone' and 'gray zone' with no results, so I assume no one here knows what that is, while acting as though they know anything about the site's pedo population. There's a significant diversity of opinion ranging from permanent self haters to people that would make Amos Yee blush. I've heard of some particularly heinous propositions being completely shat on, but it doesn't seem anyone here would know anything about that.
But I think I can answer that person's question. One of the things that makes a person a potential predator, in a logical sense, is the desired reaction from their subject of interest. Most people want to know that what they're doing to their partner sexually is well received. Some people don't even want to engage without knowing for sure their partner's experience will be worthwhile. Pedos in general are no different.
For porn, I don't think people are quite so discerning. A muted video of adults where one's face is never shown isn't really a red flag to anyone, but it is a tactic some cp producers use to try to pass something off as not bad. Still, when people can see the enjoyment of their preferred subject (the person they're attracted to), it's confirmation that the experience is good. People that want this confirmation are a non issue.
Others can either want no reaction or a bad reaction. I can't make sense of why they want such..maybe call it strong refusal. Blatant pain and suffering perhaps gives them the same feelings of approval and wanting to do more. I don't know.
There's something else though. In a lot of Japanese porn, girls look like they're being overstimulated to the point of pain on purpose, to make the guy feel like a stallion or some silliness. Hentai does this as well, and so does lolicon (manga readers can probably attest to this). This could be a suitable example:
Not to say that no lolis get raped, just that what one interprets as a rape scene may actually just be that behavior. You could think of it to be on the level of brutal porn, like a particularly aggressive gangbang where tears have ruined the makeup of the girl, as far as the girl's reactions and behavior go, but she enjoys it thoroughly.
So a loli getting brutally raped? If it's not actually rape, then it's not an issue. However, if it appears that way to the consumer, regardless of the artist's intentions, then they arguably have that predator psyche to some degree. A 14yo nude selfie, a 9yo twerking, a 7yo touching herself? Not an issue in and of itself as long as no force or other manipulation triggered the subject's motivation. Being aroused by things that your preferred subject enjoys doing is not an issue.
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