Aliens - The Space Kind

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The thing is that life is (probably) going to require some of the heavier elements. That means that first-generation stars are not going to be able to have life. Hell, probably the first few generation stars cannot. You'd need things like iron and other heavier elements. Otherwise, there will be no rocky planets and other things like that. Hard for life to develop on a gas giant.

These elements are produced in giant stars, which means that the first billion years or so would not have been able to have life. The early universe was also very volatile with lots of GRBS, supernovas, etc.. which would not be good to life. A GRB from even as far as 8k light years away will wreck any habitable planet and life on it. Hell, a lot of galaxies are still first-generation stars that are having issues like that.

That means that you'd need a stable, older galaxy to have the suitable conditions: plenty of heavy elements and a somewhat stable galaxy. So, there's likely no civilizations that have been around for billions of years. So, we very well could be the first.

However, we have only been around as humans for a cosmic blip. Even a civilization a thousand years ahead of us could be vastly way more advanced. Such a civilization could very well exist.

Why haven't we met them?

It's possible they did come here a few hundred years ago and the people they saw just thought they were god or something.

It's possible we can't detect them for whatever reason. A few hundred years ago, the current ways we communicate would be unfathomable.

It's possible they just are happy to stay on their planet and don't give a shit about us, just like how we don't give a shit about some anthill in the forest.

It's possible that FTL travel is not possible and they can't get to us, even if they know about us. It's possible they sent a probe by us and grabbed all the data they needed.

So, in summary, the Fermi Paradox is stupid and the Drake Equation is stupid. Both rely on some big assumptions. Life is very likely out there, and some of it is probably intelligent
 
One thing I always wondered about our alien overlords is if they are like us on this planet that have 2 different genders, or 1 gender, or if they have multiple genders. I wonder if they also have the troon cross dressing debate too, while they go on their nightly probe expedition of farmers from the mid-west. I also wonder if they look at us like we look at puppies...
 
If aliens were here they would blend in so well, we would never know it wasnt a human so i dont think it is worth thinking about too much.

they would need to be part cyborg in some way IMO
higher dimensional beings i wouldnt consider alien and most definitely exist
 
Not sure where to post this, but im trying to figure out if this is real or simply convincing ARMA gameplay.

 
If you know abt the Monkeysphere. This idea could very nicely(and creepily) explain why we can't find any aliens out there...

(Not really)TL;DR: Humans have a limit as to how many emotional connections (family, friends, lovers) can an individual make in order to cooperate with other humans.
So how can millions upon millions of humans (nations, religions, etc) still function more or less fine, despite our emotional-connection limit?
The most likely answer Is that, in the distant past, the being that would become the modern man underwent some mutation in their brain wiring that for some reason, gave rise to ideas (or memes, if you will). This allowed absolute strangers to work together based on what ideas they shared. Like two Muslims of completely different races working together, while being total strangers.
Also, unlike emotional ties, 'memetic ties' can shift and warp very easily.

So what if aliens never underwent that one-in-a-trillion mutation, And thus give rise to ideas with which large numbers of ppl can work together to forge empires and reach for the stars?
What if aliens are everywhere, but the vast vast majority were shot out off luck. And are perpetually stick in the stone age, b/c of the way their brains are wired?
 
Statistical probability shows there is an exceptional volume of civilizations in existence.

We are simply put too damn far away from one another. And we will never go past the speed of light, ever. We will be lucky to break 50% with pure robotics and in terms of sending living tissue to another star system, well, we will never get to 50% the speed of light. Support systems are too damn large and heavy and the more mass, the more energy.

One can take all the hypothetical examples of potential technological breakthroughs and even with those, there is just no good argument for ever sending a living being to another star system. The best we can do is robotics and any other civilization remotely "close" I.e. 200 light years - has come to the same conclusion.

The technology actually does exist for interstellar travel right now - we know how to build a ship to go to another star system. The problem is it would exhaust most of Earths resources to send a mere 50 people there, and still the odds of them making it alive is very low. It would cost over 200 trillion dollars.

For the cost of the US GDP we can send right now a large probe to the nearest tar system. Booooo. The star systems we would want to probably visit are 10-100 times farther. Price tag: 5-10 Trillion if we want it there within 25 years.

The problems we have are likely the same problems another civilization has and I doubt they (;like us) can justify gobbling their precious and valuable resources....to make a phone call basically,

Our radio signals have barely cleared the local neighborhood and to travel to the other side of the Galaxy (if they were even strong enough which they aren't) would take 65,000 years. So we want them to be listening for 65,000 years and hopefully they don't turn off the radio receiver for that brief 200 year period.

Shit, an alien civilization 2000 light years away may have detected life on earth trough atmospheric readings 100 Million years ago and sent messages to us non-stop for 50 million years, heard nothing and finally gave up.

They are in all probability digital now so don't care. Time scales and distance. They are extreme when discussing alien civilizations.

They had/have/are having the same conversations now.

The rent is too damn high.
 
Something tells me that we shouldn't be trying to communicate with aliens via probes like Voyager 1 and 2. There's not much we know about the universe; sure, we know quite a bit of it, but the universe is like a jungle; you don't know what's out there, either its another poor bastard like you who ended up here and wants to help you, or some baboon that thinks you're a decent meal.

Perhaps there will be an alien life force out there that will find us, and (assuming we don't go extinct by the time they find us) who knows what they could do, and why? Maybe they'll come in peace like those Hollywood films told us, or maybe they'll kill us all like in the movie Alien. No one really knows for sure what they could do.
 
Most important alien question.
Suppose one day we make contact with aliens and they look just like the little gray men, and human-compatible genitals. Also, they have females.
Would you smash?
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