Abortion - An age old issue
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Try telling that to the pro-life looney troons tho, of which will never have a true and honest uterus but still think their opinion as womyn is helping.
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I have mixed feelings about the issue. I think late term abortion is awful. You have a baby that is almost ready to be born, and when it's on the cusp of life, it's snuffed out. That's why I can't stand people like Kermit Gosnell. I'm also not supportive of Planned Parenthood either. I think if a fetus is aborted, then it should be treated with dignity. I think what they did with the selling of fetal body parts thing is horrible. If I were a woman and needed to have an abortion, I'd go elsewhere.
That said, I think if a pregnancy is early and the fetus doesn't look human yet (less than around 5 months or so), then I can understand. I also think depending on the conditions of how the fetus is conceived and the current status of the mother (like rape and drug dependency, deformities, etc.) I think abortion is justified.
In the end, I think there needs to be very strict standards on how to approach abortions. It's not an easy decision for the mother, and I think there needs to be some psychological evaluations on both doctors and patients. Either way, I don't think this issue should be taken lightly.
That said, I think if a pregnancy is early and the fetus doesn't look human yet (less than around 5 months or so), then I can understand. I also think depending on the conditions of how the fetus is conceived and the current status of the mother (like rape and drug dependency, deformities, etc.) I think abortion is justified.
In the end, I think there needs to be very strict standards on how to approach abortions. It's not an easy decision for the mother, and I think there needs to be some psychological evaluations on both doctors and patients. Either way, I don't think this issue should be taken lightly.
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I'm pretty simply and stupidly okay with the Roe v. Wade framework. It's shit, it makes no logical sense, it's only tenuously connected to reality, but here it is. In the first trimester, fuck the state. There's absolutely no governmental interest in interfering, so abortions at that stage are okay with anyone but the literally mentally ill morons who think a tiny batch of cells is somehow morally equivalent to a human.
Those people are so fucking dumb we should probably kill them, too.
Then there's the second trimester, where the fetus slowly actually starts resembling a human. The state has some interest in regulating that because at this point, well, we're approaching where there are legally protectable interests.
And then there's the final trimester, where the Roe framework admits we're actually looking at something a lot like an actual baby.
My personal opinion is fuck that baby, the person whose body is sustaining its existence can do whatever they like with it. But the legal framework at that point acknowledges a state interest in what happens. Society has a say at that point.
That's what the law says, anyway.
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I knew a rad old doctor and she did abortions. She told me the only women who got multiple abortions were the mentally ill drug addicts who you'd never want in control of an ant farm, let alone a human child. Force them to be mothers and you get criminal children.
So nuke the babies. Every child should be a wanted child. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant that's enough of a reason for me to give her an abortion.
So nuke the babies. Every child should be a wanted child. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant that's enough of a reason for me to give her an abortion.
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Off topic, but that'd be a great name for a band.
The PP vids were misrepresentations; http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/planned-parenthood-videos/
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My fave part about Internet anti-abortionists is that it's mostly a) men that b) have absolutely no business being fathers:
...like the guy in this video. This guy will fuck a kid up. The 4chan /pol/sters that REE about baby-killing sloots have no interest in adopting the kids that would be produced if their fave policies actually went into effect. But it's an appealingly edgy stance to take to rebel against lefty. Babies are really really not hard to make. That first one that your college gf aborted will be made up for in time. Promise.
In the 21st century, so much suffering is avoidable. Unlike Mother Theresa, I don't have a proud Catholic heart and I don't think it's noble to give birth to something retarded that will have no understanding of the pain that it's constantly in (anencephaly, omphalocele, severe spina bifida, etc). Additionally, while first-world babies are precious, they consume a LOT of resources due to their location in the world and the privilege of electricity, antibiotics and plumbing... and from a rational perspective I'm fine with a mechanism to ration the amount of them we produce, and by extension, the amount of their carbon emissions.
We wring our hands about the deaths of children, who are cute but replaceable and contribute nothing but smiles to society, while we ignore the deaths of competent adults who may have specialized skillsets and are much harder to replace from a populations view. Losing one of 1,000 nuclear engineers is a much heavier loss than losing a 3-month-old fetus. Until the 21st century it was common and accepted that even rich families could lose a few toddlers to infectious diseases. Understandably that's left us protective of our children, but we no longer live in a time when you need an heir and a spare.
...like the guy in this video. This guy will fuck a kid up. The 4chan /pol/sters that REE about baby-killing sloots have no interest in adopting the kids that would be produced if their fave policies actually went into effect. But it's an appealingly edgy stance to take to rebel against lefty. Babies are really really not hard to make. That first one that your college gf aborted will be made up for in time. Promise.
In the 21st century, so much suffering is avoidable. Unlike Mother Theresa, I don't have a proud Catholic heart and I don't think it's noble to give birth to something retarded that will have no understanding of the pain that it's constantly in (anencephaly, omphalocele, severe spina bifida, etc). Additionally, while first-world babies are precious, they consume a LOT of resources due to their location in the world and the privilege of electricity, antibiotics and plumbing... and from a rational perspective I'm fine with a mechanism to ration the amount of them we produce, and by extension, the amount of their carbon emissions.
We wring our hands about the deaths of children, who are cute but replaceable and contribute nothing but smiles to society, while we ignore the deaths of competent adults who may have specialized skillsets and are much harder to replace from a populations view. Losing one of 1,000 nuclear engineers is a much heavier loss than losing a 3-month-old fetus. Until the 21st century it was common and accepted that even rich families could lose a few toddlers to infectious diseases. Understandably that's left us protective of our children, but we no longer live in a time when you need an heir and a spare.
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- 28 de Dic, 2014
The problem with the fanaticism on this issue is the optimal number of abortions is pretty much zero or near zero. They just don't happen if someone didn't fuck up somehow. It's not like the technology doesn't exist to make the number of unwanted pregnancies near zero.
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- 14 de Sep, 2016
I think cheap/freely dispensed birth control should be included in a universal health care system. It saves society money in terms of police, social services, corrections, education, etc. I hate to be the fucker who brings up Finland, but they have an abortion rate of roughly 6 in 10 000 births, compared to America's 13 in 10 000.
Sex education and free birth control prevent unwanted pregnancies so there's less abortion which makes both sides happy.
Sex education and free birth control prevent unwanted pregnancies so there's less abortion which makes both sides happy.
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The anti-abortion crowd is frequently against birth control and sex education.
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I agree, their methods are inherently self-defeating.
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Okay, assuming the Anti-Proper Sex Ed and Anti-Contraceptive crowds happen to agree to that (spoilers: they won't,)abortions should still be legal and readily available to those whose contraceptive measures happen to fail.
-Because no contraceptive is 100% effective and that is still a child that could potentially be abused and/or abandoned because they are still unwanted no matter how much the system forces or leans on the mother to keep it.
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I'm all about free choice. I may not agree, but it's about freedom of choice. It's not my job to tell you what to do.
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I've noticed, at least for me personally, that people don't often try to discuss the nuances of abortion. You're either for or against it. They don't try and ask how you feel about specific policies regarding abortion, at least not without framing it as a way to condemn abortion/anti-abortion as a whole.
There's so much nuance regarding the stages embryonic development, yet people keep trying to frame it as a simple yes or no question.
There's so much nuance regarding the stages embryonic development, yet people keep trying to frame it as a simple yes or no question.
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- 7 de Ago, 2016
That's true, at least for the vocal minorities on either side. I've come across crazy pro-choice people who are totally okay with late-term abortions for no reason at all as well as pro-life folk who are okay with making an 11 year old victim of a violent rape with medical complications carry out the pregnancy. I think most people fall in the middle.
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- 28 de Dic, 2014
This is how any "controversial" policy argument goes down in our bullshit media. There's like 5-10% of the population or so that is absolutely incensed about any particular issue, and that group is completely fucking insane and has diametrically opposite positions.
Watch any fake news story and they'd have you believe that these lunatic extremists on opposite ends of the issue represent everyone.
Even if the vast majority of people are open to "well maybe in this situation. . ." or "I suppose there are exceptions."
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- 4 de Mar, 2017
I've always leaned pretty heavily pro-life, but yeah I get that there's some nuance.
I think that if an embryo consists of like two cells then abortion is largely unobjectionable, but I draw the line once a fetus is recognizably human and capable of feeling pain.
Oh fuck off Moviebob
I think that if an embryo consists of like two cells then abortion is largely unobjectionable, but I draw the line once a fetus is recognizably human and capable of feeling pain.
Oh fuck off Moviebob
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At least this is something we all can agree on.