Abortion - An age old issue

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If life "begins at conception," then what about parasitic twins?
Hear me out!

An egg in the womb is fertilized, it begins to split but fails and only does it partially but it still produces another fertile nucleus. Both continue to develop with one taking the lead and the other eventually stopping development. The baby is born with a head and arms coming out of its back (there's many other ways it can happen too).

The eyes of the parasitic twin occasionally blink (this can happen) meaning it has some functional parts but is brain-dead. It's draining the blood of the host causing great strain to the heart. It needs to be removed, but it was a fertile egg once and had its own nucleus making it a separate entity in a sense. Is it murder to remove it even though it is "alive?"

I imagine most pro-life people would say no, but I'd like to know why. It's much more functional and developed than a zygote. And it will continue to try and survive until a natural death (likely from the host dying of stress on the heart) if left alone.

I suppose the answer depends on your definition of death too.
 
Chubby_Penguin dijo:
If life "begins at conception," then what about parasitic twins?
Hear me out!

An egg in the womb is fertilized, it begins to split but fails and only does it partially but it still produces another fertile nucleus. Both continue to develop with one taking the lead and the other eventually stopping development. The baby is born with a head and arms coming out of its back (there's many other ways it can happen too).

The eyes of the parasitic twin occasionally blink (this can happen) meaning it has some functional parts but is brain-dead. It's draining the blood of the host causing great strain to the heart. It needs to be removed, but it was a fertile egg once and had its own nucleus making it a separate entity in a sense. Is it murder to remove it even though it is "alive?"

I imagine most pro-life people would say no, but I'd like to know why. It's much more functional and developed than a zygote. And it will continue to try and survive until a natural death (likely from the host dying of stress on the heart) if left alone.

I suppose the answer depends on your definition of death too.
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Simple, remove the parasitic twin and save the others life, but this is a rather rare situation.
But simply aborting something because you made a mistake and got knocked up? No live with the consequences.
 
ulsterscotsman dijo:
The country where i live thankfully has very strict abortion laws.
Nobody has the right to destroy a developing and steal somebody's chance at life! Don't want a child? then either be very careful or don't have sex!
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I'm glad that's a tiny, shitty country that I don't live in.
 
ulsterscotsman dijo:
If there is a rare chance that the mothers life in somehow in danger then a decision to terminate must be made.
But simply aborting because it was a mistake? Nope.
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But the whole issue is that it's "still murder".

This is similar to other exceptions that almost all pro life people make: rape or incest.
 
Sperglord Dante dijo:
12 weeks sounds like a good treshold to me. Three months to find out if you're pregnant and decide if you want the kid seems fair. I wouldn't be opposed to raising (or even lowering) if there was a strong medical argument for it.
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Strong medical argument: Majority of late term abortions are women who literally have no other choice.

If you fuck up with Chad, you get his spawn removed as soon as possible. No one is like "oh I'll suppose I'll try this pregnancy thing out for a few weeks, let's see how I like it".

I'd hazard a guess that 90% of late term abortions were wanted pregnancies at some point.

Which is why, IMHO the threshold of the baby being able to survive without the mother is a good one.

But I'm fine at enlisting some prolife help for better sex ed and projects like these:

^^this is literally the first antirape campaign I've seen that isn't preachy, is gender neutral, doesn't paint all men as evil and all women as never wanting it and I want to have its babies. Still gets the point across.

TL;DR: I agree with prolifers that we should try to reduce the number of abortions, but the methods we want to reduce that number differ significantly.

Daily dose of stupid by the way: Prolifer who was like "well, the only choice prochoice concerns itself with is abortion so it's not really prochoice". So just to be sure: If you want to pop out a hellspawn from your vajayjay, feel free to do so. I will never understand you, but I'll defend your ability to do so till... well not death, more a point where it would seriously inconvience me.
 
Marvin dijo:
But the whole issue is that it's "still murder".
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In the case of saving the mother's life, that's just killing in self defense which most people are okay with. I'd imagine very few medical problems could force a choice between either the mother or the child anyway, in most cases it's save the mother or save no one, easy choice.
Marvin dijo:
This is similar to other exceptions that almost all pro life people make: rape or incest.
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Those exceptions are stupid but I guess they're made as a compromise. They're a very small proportion of abortions and will get a lot more people on board with stopping the rest of them.
 
Jon-Kacho dijo:
In the case of saving the mother's life, that's just killing in self defense which most people are okay with. I'd imagine very few medical problems could force a choice between either the mother or the child anyway, in most cases it's save the mother or save no one, easy choice.
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Self defense requires someone to be at fault. It would still be murder to terminate one half of a pair of conjoined twins to save the other half.
 
ulsterscotsman dijo:
If there is a rare chance that the mothers life in somehow in danger then a decision to terminate must be made.
But simply aborting because it was a mistake? Nope.
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There's still woman who have huge chances of dying during pregnancy. A lit of people think that pregnancy is a simple thing for a lot of woman, but it's not at all. For many woman their blood pressure can go to unhealthy highs during pregnancy, there's such a thing as vomiting too much, etcetc.

Why would you even think 1 unborn fetus life is worth more than someone whose already grown up and living anyway? That's beyond stupid.
 
When you think about all of the risks and complications... being forced to go through pregnancy is more like the acid-on-dogs scene in The Thing than it is the beautiful miracle of life.
Big_Boss dijo:
There's still woman who have huge chances of dying during pregnancy. A lit of people think that pregnancy is a simple thing for a lot of woman, but it's not at all. For many woman their blood pressure can go to unhealthy highs during pregnancy, there's such a thing as vomiting too much, etcetc.
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Isn't there like a variant of diabetes women can get simply by being pregnant too? In addition potentially never having control over their bladder again, I mean. (Which is probably hell on all that torn stitched up meat down there.)

Why would you even think 1 unborn fetus life is worth more than someone whose already grown up and living anyway? That's beyond stupid.
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DatBepisTho dijo:
Isn't there like a variant of diabetes women can get simply by being pregnant too? In addition potentially never having control over their bladder again, I mean.
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Yeah, there is. People think that because modern medicine is better that it can help with pregnancys, which yes in some aspects it's much better than it once was, but there's still so much risk. Pregnancy is no walk in the park, and I don't see how people can force woman to have baby's. Not to mention how much more expensive it is to have a baby than it once was.

This brings me to another point I forgot to cover. Miscarriages are still incredibly common, :powerlevel: one of my close friends recently had one. If there's a high risk of the baby dying no matter what, a medical abortion is not wrong either.
 
Big_Boss dijo:
There's still woman who have huge chances of dying during pregnancy. A lit of people think that pregnancy is a simple thing for a lot of woman, but it's not at all. For many woman their blood pressure can go to unhealthy highs during pregnancy, there's such a thing as vomiting too much, etcetc.

Why would you even think 1 unborn fetus life is worth more than someone whose already grown up and living anyway? That's beyond stupid.
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They got pregnant on "accident", they should deal with the consequences.

AnOminous dijo:
Pretty much by definition these fetus fascists hate women and want them to die.
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Spot the buzzwords! you sound like a SJW.
 
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Piga Dgrifm dijo:
Unfortunately, she won't be the only one dealing with the consequences if she's forced to give birth. Would you like for a child to be abused/murdered by a mother that never wanted it?
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Well if the selfish cunt doesn't want then there will be others that will.
Rather give the child at least a chance at life rather than to be ripped apart and threw away like it was nothing.
 
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