Abortion - An age old issue

[Big Forehead Turbo Manlet]

Why do people care about the point of viability? Mist pro-choice want that baby killable until the damn cord is cut, and maybe after if possible. Most pro-lifers acknowledge the scientific fact that life starts at conception and oppose ending that life at any point.

Viability, consciousness, ability to feel pain--it's all just bullshit talking points for arbitrarily justifying abortion. As if baby killers would just go "well gee golly, it's proven to feel pain, let's end our war we've fought to kill babies".

It's all so disingenuous and pointless.

"The scientific fact that life starts at conception". No one is denying that a fetus is alive, that's not the argument. A cell is a living thing. What you're trying to say is that a fetus should have the same rights as a person and that being a person starts at conception. A scientific fact is something that can be proven with the scientific method and something that is subjective cannot be proven. You can't scientifically prove morality. It's okay to have opinions, just say it's an opinion.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

"The scientific fact that life starts at conception". No one is denying that a fetus is alive, that's not the argument.

@snailslime

What you're trying to say is that a fetus should have the same rights as a person and that being a person starts at conception. A scientific fact is something that can be proven with the scientific method and something that is subjective cannot be proven. You can't scientifically prove morality. It's okay to have opinions, just say it's an opinion.

You're using "person" in some wishy-washy philosophical sense, I'm not. I'm talking hard science. I am saying that during every stage of a human being's life, from beginning to end, it remains consistently one species; human (homo sapien). There is no point at which its DNA indicates that it is not of our species.

Simply because it is in its absolute earliest stage of development instead of immediately popping out as a fully formed 25 year old adult does not diminish that fact. "Look how small it is" and similar such arguments are ridiculous, and don't hold up to scrutiny. It's just dehumanization tactics.

But you're right that it's okay to have opinions. It's my opinion that killing an innocent human at any stage of life is wrong.

You can think it's okay to kill babies based on what point they're at in development, old people based on their remaining cognitive and/or physical function (or the lack thereof), or those in certain states (coma, retardation, etc). That's fine. I'm against all of that but you can try justifying any or all of them, I'll just be sure to explain to you why you're wrong.

 

[Big Forehead Turbo Manlet]

Yeah, you can use hard science to show that its DNA is that of homo sapiens but that hard fact doesn't support anyone's view. It's not "is it the same species as us", it's "when does it have human rights" and that's something science can't prove. You can't sequence someone's DNA and find the specific string of nucleotides that shows its rights, that's something we impose onto them. What about a parasitic twin, does it deserve the same rights as its host?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Yeah, you can use hard science to show that its DNA is that of homo sapiens but that hard fact doesn't support anyone's view.

It supports mine; that it is a unique human life developing, not the equivalent of your toenail or something, as disingenuous pro-abortionists often assert.

Also, my point was some people do deny it's a life at all, not even a human life, but a life form. That's how far out the pro-abortion side often is.

It's not "is it the same species as us", it's "when does it have human rights" and that's something science can't prove.

Science doesn't need to do anything except prove it's a human life.

No human should be killed because they're small or in a state of development people don't value. That's a form of genuine ableism and ageism. To be consistent we have to kill people because they're too big or too old, as well, and whether or not they need support from machines, etc.

You can't sequence someone's DNA and find the specific string of nucleotides that shows its rights, that's something we impose onto them.

From a legal perspective we all have equal rights, but just like slavery people gloss over that when they want to. From a moral standpoint, we each have God-granted natural, inalienable rights.

What about a parasitic twin, that it deserve the same rights as its host?

I'm not a biologist, I'm not at all familiar with such extreme edge cases, but I think leaning so hard on rape, bizarre twins, incest, etc is indeed a form of tacitly conceding the point.

Grant that all to you, and you'll still support the killing of offspring which are healthy and normal, for no good reason or really even any reason at all.

Why you guys guys always gravitate to "what if somehow a troop of mutated monkey had close enough DNA to a person to procreate with them, gang raped a minor, and the offspring were parasitical triplets strapped to a bomb? Huh? See? Now we gotta let Slutty McSluttington kill her perfectly fine baby. Gotcha." Just say you wanna kill babies, I'd respect it more than these mental gymnastics, pseudo philosophical excuses, and reliance on rare medical outliers.

 

[Big Forehead Turbo Manlet]

You've missed my point entirely. I doubt there's anything that could be said to make this argument even a little bit constructive at this point. Have a good one.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

My views on abortion is similar to Richard Nixon in that I think abortion is an evil but sometimes is a necessary evil.

We do need population control in high birth rate places like Africa and the islamic world.

 

[deerPropaganda]

I am completely for it, only because the majority of people getting abortions are minorities.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I am completely for it, only because the majority of people getting abortions are minorities.

quite a based statement

 

[jenstark101]

Okay being anti contraception is too retarded even for me.

All But 10 House Republicans Voted Against Ensuring the Right to Contraception

GOP lawmakers insist they’re not coming for contraception or marriage rights — yet the vast majority of them have voted against codifying them into law

www.rollingstone.com

 

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All But 10 House Republicans Voted Against Ensuring the Right to Contraception

GOP lawmakers insist they’re not coming for contraception or marriage rights — yet the vast majority of them have voted against codifying them into law

www.rollingstone.com

There are thirty nine Republican congressmen (R-Homo) who think a man shoving his dick up another man's butthole is the highest sacrament of Christian matrimony, but that women not shitting out babies on command is going ENTIRELY TOO FAR.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I bump this thread by wondering WTF after I read that article about a pro-life guy arrested.

FBI Arrests 87-Year-Old Pro-Life Concentration Camp Survivor for Peacefully Protesting Abortion - LifeNews.com

The Biden administration has been under heavy criticism as Joe Biden’s Justice Department targets peaceful pro-life Americans for protesting abortions in such as a way that they blocked access to an abortion center. The Justice Department has charged 11 more pro-life activists with violations of...

www.lifenews.com

The Biden administration has been under heavy criticism as Joe Biden’s Justice Department targets peaceful pro-life Americans for protesting abortions in such as a way that they blocked access to an abortion center.

The Justice Department has charged 11 more pro-life activists with violations of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act for blocking the entrance of an abortion clinic in 2021. The 11 activists were charged with FACE Act violations stemming from their 2021 “blockade” of an abortion clinic in Mount Juliet, Tennessee.

New information about one of the pro-life advocates arrested recently shows she is an 87-year-old woman who is a concentration camp survivor.

A federal indictment alleges that the pro-life defendants “engaged in a conspiracy to prevent the clinic from providing” and patients from receiving abortion services and violated the FACE Act by “using physical obstruction to intimidate and interfere with the clinic’s employees and a patient.”

 

[Sissyagamben]

Just don't have sex if you don't want baby, tf? As soon as I became sexually active as a femoid I realized how retarded most people who get abortion are. You literally have infinite choices of contraception, and not having sex is also, you know, an option? How can you fuck with no contraception and be surprised you got pregnant? That is beyond retarded. Just be a responsible adult. If you wanted to have raw sex just because condom dont feel good and too lazy to get IUD/take birth control on time everyday, that's on you. You shouldn't be able to get an abortion just because you were sexually promiscuous and stupid. That is literally killing a baby because you were a sex pest retard who don't understand normal sex leads to pregnancy. Even invertebrates know that.


I'm more sympathetic for rape victims who had sex and got pregnant against their will, but that's another topic. I don't know how I feel about that, or how that should impact legislation etc. Maybe if a rape kit was done the woman should be able to get a first trimester abortion. Or if the woman is clearly clinically retarded, so retarded there's no way she could've given consent.

There are literally no reason for anyone to get abortion past the first trimester. How the fuck do you not know you havent had a period for three months and have started puking every morning. Of course, if you are not a IQ 45 retard, or 12 years old. That's the only excuse. If you always have irregular periods it's still on you to check if you were pregnant after raw dogging with no birth control.

Society has turned so far away from the natural state of existence it's making people ultra retarded. People used to have babies and when they got pregnant they just man up, become more mature, and take care of the baby and start a family. Now marriage is evil plot of the patriarchy, getting pregnant and taking care of baby don't fit into the corporate girlboss imagery, and people will do anything to procrastinate becoming a real adult. If you got pregnant, just kill it, after that you can still smoke weed and drink everyday like you did in your late teens. If the girl you fucked raw got pregnant, just tell her to kill it so you'll never be forced to become a man. Live like teens and tweens till you die.

I hate it when normal women reeeeee about how horrible it is to be pregnant, how youll get fat and stretch marks, lose bone density, get fistula during birth etc. Welcome to the real world you retard, you are a human being and living like a real human being is not easy. As if your body is not literally built to have a baby and reproduce. It all sounds like childish whining to me. Mooooom but it's so hot outside do I reaaaaally have to mow the lawn???

The women I know who have had abortions are exactly this way. One is a prostitute that got pregnant from a John and killed the baby so she can keep being a prostitute. Another is living the party life like there's no tomorrow well into her 30s. The other is just plain cruel and cold and cannot love anyone but herself. Surprise to no one, none of their lives improved after the baby killing, only more misery ensued.

 

[Lady Bizness]

Every chick I know who had an abortion was a fucking moron and I really think they should have access to it. Personally I think it's wrong. Before having my own children I was ambivalent, but the minute I found out I was pregnant I thought, how can someone actually abort this baby and feel okay about it? I know it's a clump of cells, but still that's mine and my husband's. I know I've probably had miscarriages and didn't know about it. It doesn't move the dial on how I feel.

I would abort a retard. I'd be very sad about it, but I don't think being selective is a bad thing.

Anyway, I was NOT allowed to express this on Ovarit and so I'm here now.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I really think they should have access to it. Personally I think it's wrong.

If it's wrong then they shouldn't have access to it.

I know it's a clump of cells

And it always will be up until its natural death.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sorry for the bump and if it might not be the right thread to post it but I saw this article from American Thinker suggesting then the GOP need a plan B about abortion.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/11/the_gop_needs_a_plan_b_on_abortion.html

https://ghostarchive.org/archive/gTSbh

November 11, 2023

The GOP needs a Plan B on abortion​

By Frank Friday

Based on the results Tuesday night, the Dems seem to think the abortion issue will save them in 2024 and Old Joe is somehow in the clear despite the awful job he is doing. That’s quite a stretch.
No doubt, abortion will be all Democrats can talk about, and who can blame them? They are a disaster everywhere else. In 2022, in my hometown metro mayor’s election, we had a liberal Democrat candidate. You might remember him; he was shot and wounded by one of his own staffers, a deranged BLM activist. With crime out of control and a crime-fighting Republican opponent, what did this guy talk about? Abortion, of course. Never mind that mayors have no role in this issue.
Anyway, this Democrat did win, but by one of the smallest margins in the last 50 years, in a blue county. Republicans still picked up city council seats and state house races across the metro, even with millions of dollars in media spending by the Democrats. As was also noted by many that year, while abortion was winning a statewide Kentucky referendum, one of the most pro-life senators, Rand Paul, racked up an enormous victory.

Same thing happened this year with the Kentucky governor’s race. The Democrat incumbent, Beshear, had tens of millions of dollars to blast the airwaves with attacks, including deceptive abortion ads, against Daniel Cameron, for months on end.
I might add, the Democrats also ran lots of nasty racist attacks on the black candidate, Cameron. They just can’t help it.

However, Cameron, as a Mitch McConnell protégé, was surprisingly underfunded and did not put up much of a media fight.
But the rest of the Kentucky GOP ticket, pro-lifers all, won overwhelmingly. What is the lesson? Abortion is only important if you don’t have any money to fight back. It was much the same story elsewhere Tuesday.
In blue Viriginia, Glenn Youngkin’s plan to elect a GOP legislature through an abortion compromise law fell short. But just barely, running in districts drawn heavily against the GOP. While Virginia Democrats also raised much more money. In Ohio, again, abortion forces won because they had a lot more money. Just as the Wisconsin Supreme Court was flipped as the Democrat had millions more.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Sorry for the bump and if it might not be the right thread to post it but I saw this article from American Thinker suggesting then the GOP need a plan B about abortion.

Republicans spends less money pushing the pro-life message than Democrats do pushing pro-abortion, and don't articulate nor argue the position well enough.

And ultimately, unfortunately, a sizable amount of Republicans either support some or all abortion (some only due to thinking it causes losses, but ceding your positions to win isn't winning), or are more indifferent on it. Democrats are all for abortion with virtually no restrictions, so their party is more united.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

And ultimately, unfortunately, a sizable amount of Republicans either support some or all abortion (some only due to thinking it causes losses, but ceding your positions to win isn't winning), or are more indifferent on it. Democrats are all for abortion with virtually no restrictions, so their party is more united.

Too bad, it would have been fun to troll the Dems by saying "Yes, I'm for abortion as long as we abort the black, latinos and jews" just to see them how they'll react.