Abortion - An age old issue

[DirkBloodStormKing]

As much as I consider myself pro-life, I understand why women want abortions. The adoption system is absolutely fucked up and many women are often in situations where abortion sounds like a desirable outcome. That being said, there should be support systems and counseling centers that help women in such situations. This is also one of the reasons why I definitely support gay couples adopting children, as it allows children that were originally seen as "undesirable" to have a home that they deserve and live a happy life.

 

[MrJakeTerror]

Simple Answer from me: Yes, too many people on this Earth. If you don't want it, don't have it.

 

[Shokew]

BUMP

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...s-after-19-weeks-of-pregnancy?detail=facebook

Better add my state to the list of shit that isn't feasible, especially for the poor and frail, who are the primary target of such timely & clearly fascist legislation, as well as Christian fascist posturing. It doesn't help matters that the law being signed here was by a woman.

And like most laws like it that are up and running - no defense against miscarriages, diseases, or rapes. UGH.

This is why we don't ever leave it up to government at the state level to do shit like this.

13 other states don't have it well with this shit, either, because it's the same issue - nothing is being done to help women who need it the most, especially from things like rape, for a major example.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but this really fucking my gears.

 

[Joan Nyan]

clearly fascist legislation

I know, right? Damned fascists, saving children's lives.

 

[Shokew]

I know, right? Damned fascists, saving children's lives.

I feel that way because laws like these mostly target those who are poor and easily victimized by life - threatening complications, including being poor. Laws like these help no one after awhile, especially if those deaths women suffer from due to complications they have no control over can be prevented - like SC, there are either not enough, or worse (in the most rural and cut off from urbanized areas...), no real safeguards in place against when these complications happen (that are cheap and affordable, as well as readily available to those who need them the most!), which is why this law just screams misogyny and fascist behavior (overall).

 

[autisticdragonkin]

And like most laws like it that are up and running - no defense against miscarriages, diseases, or rapes. UGH.

I understand miscarriages and diseases but how do you wait 19 weeks after being raped in order to get an abortion

 

[Dalish]

I am ardently pro-choice, but I acknowledge that there are serious flaws in our current system that need to be addressed:

1) While it is the woman's body and choice, if the father is aware of the pregnancy and prefers single custody, I don't necessarily think that the procedure should happen without intervention. If the point of the termination is that the mother cannot provide but the father can, why shouldn't he be allowed custody of the thing he helped make?
2) Terminating based on sex of the child should not be considered a legitimate reason, whether male or female.

 

[Sperglord Dante]

I understand miscarriages and diseases but how do you wait 19 weeks after being raped in order to get an abortion

Some women have unfortunately subtle pregnancies and can't tell they're pregnant until it's too late. Having their heads completely messed up in the aftermath of the rape doesn't help.

 

[Joan Nyan]

no defense against miscarriages

I'm actually not sure what you mean by this. A miscarriage is essentially an accidental abortion, what should this law do about that? Allow women who have already miscarried to somehow have an abortion on top of it? I seriously am not understanding what you're stating here.

 

[Ruin]

I'm pro choice myself but honestly a lot of pro choice advocates are fucking creepy. When you ask them why there should be more abortions they just shriek about wanting more abortions with little or no rationale. Abortion is sometimes a medical necessity but I don't think anyone should advocate for more abortions purely for the sake of having them.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I'm actually not sure what you mean by this. A miscarriage is essentially an accidental abortion, what should this law do about that? Allow women who have already miscarried to somehow have an abortion on top of it? I seriously am not understanding what you're stating here.

I think he means when the fetus is so severely deformed that it could never live outside the womb but it can still reach the end of pregnancy (like if it lacks a nervous system for example)

 

[Joan Nyan]

I think he means when the fetus is so severely deformed that it could never live outside the womb but it can still reach the end of pregnancy (like if it lacks a nervous system for example)

Like all but one of the other state 20-week bans, South Carolina’s includes no exceptions for rape or incest. The only exceptions are when the life of the mother is at risk and when fetal anomalies mean no chance of survival outside the womb.

 

[Shokew]

@Jon-Kacho - I have to apologize for missing that quote.

Overall... I'd almost... ALMOST be okay with these kinds of laws (not really, these laws only exist to discriminate against women, period)... If things like rape/incest were included as (an) exception(s). Even then - abortion is legal in the US and we should not be seeing shit like this ANYWHERE, which is where my anger comes from at this issue. It all just comes off like this, to me (not my words, but I need to quote them...).:

The GOTea wants to subjugate women and shame them.

They want everyone to be like the Duggars, where women are under the constant command of men,
are not educated and are married off to be baby factories.

They want to drag this country all the way back to the 1950s when white men controlled everything.
That’s why we’re still fighting over this issue, not to mention birth control, after more than 40 freaking years.
... And "women" like Niki Haley are sellouts.

 

[Ahffline]

I'd rather see the "morning after" pill be more readily available OTC, since it gives women the chance to decide to end the pregnancy very early on in the privacy of their own home.

The question of fathers' rights in the situation is particularly interesting. Does anyone know of any stats for the relationship status of women seeking abortions? I'd assume that the vast majority are single, but I don't know if that's actually the case.

Abortion encompasses such a broad group of issues, from concepts of personhood, to the right of the individual to exert control over her own body, to socio-economic factors like wealth inequality. There's no cut-and-dried answer. Whatever she decides, the woman will live with the consequences of her choice. What matters is that she has the ability to make that choice in the first place. I'd rather women have access to safe, physician-performed abortions than for a return to the backalley "doctors" earlier centuries.

 

[Shokew]

I'd rather women have access to safe, physician-performed abortions than for a return to the backalley "doctors" earlier centuries.

There are too many people running the pro - life show who want this to happen, sadly. No respect for women's safety, overall.

 

[Hummingbird]

My biggest worry about banning abortion is that this will lead to a rise in back ally ones. From what my father told me (he was a cop for almost 30 years), he had seen his share of what happens when you come across the ones that are botched (either wrecking the woman's body or killing her). The worst part for him was telling the parents their daughter had died.

 

[AN/ALR56]

Abortions should be mandatory if the mother is mentally and economically unfit for raising the child.

 

[KingGeedorah]

Abortions should be mandatory if the mother is mentally and economically unfit for raising the child.

They should be mandatory.

 

[Joan Nyan]

My biggest worry about banning abortion is that this will lead to a rise in back ally ones. From what my father told me (he was a cop for almost 30 years), he had seen his share of what happens when you come across the ones that are botched (either wrecking the woman's body or killing her). The worst part for him was telling the parents their daughter had died.

Am I supposed to feel sorry for someone who hurts themselves or dies in the process of commiting murder?

 

[Womacker]

Am I supposed to feel sorry for someone who hurts themselves or dies in the process of commiting murder?

I think abortion is despicable, but just letting women die isn't going to help anyone and is flat out counterproductive. The best solution for religious people (sorry Catholics, my plan is no better for you) is to encourage sex education in trade for tightening abortion requirements.