Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows - Abos had 12,000 years to develop medical science but instead still burn sticks to this day

Aboriginal ritual passed down over 12,000 years, cave find shows​

The two miniature fireplaces with trimmed sticks immediately after they were exposed by excavation in Cloggs Cave square R31, with the sticks’ bases not yet separated from the sediments in which they sit. Credit: Nature Human Behaviour (2024). DOI: 10.1038/s41562-024-01912-w
Two slightly burnt, fat-covered sticks discovered inside an Australian cave are evidence of a healing ritual that was passed down unchanged by more than 500 generations of Indigenous people over the last 12,000 years, according to new research.

The wooden sticks, found poking out of tiny fireplaces, showed that the ritual documented in the 1880s had been shared via oral traditions since the end of the last ice age, a study in the journal Nature Human Behaviour said on Monday.
The discovery was made inside Cloggs Cave in the foothills of the Victorian Alps in Australia's southeast, in a region long inhabited by the Gunaikurnai people.
When the cave was first excavated in the 1970s, archaeologists discovered the remains of a long extinct giant kangaroo that had previously lived there.
But the Gunaikurnai people were not involved in those digs, "nor were they asked for permission to do research there", lead study author Bruno David of Monash University told AFP.
Further excavations starting from 2020 included members of the local Gunaikurnai Land and Waters Aboriginal Corporation (GLaWAC).
Carefully digging through the soil, the team found a small stick poking out—then they found another one. Both well-preserved sticks were made from the wood of casuarina trees.
Each one was found in a separate fireplace around the size of the palm of a hand—far too small to have been used for heat or cooking meat.
The slightly charred ends of the sticks had been cut specially to stick into the fire, and both were coated in human or animal fat.
One stick was 11,000 years old and the other 12,000 years old, radiocarbon dating found.

'Memoirs of our ancestors'​

"They've been waiting here all this time for us to learn from them," said Gunaikurnai elder Russell Mullett, a co-author of the study and head of GLaWAC.
Mullett spent years trying to find out what they could have been used for, before discovering the accounts of Alfred Howitt, a 19th-century Australian anthropologist who studied Aboriginal culture.
Some of Howitt's notes had never been published, and Mullett said he spent a long time convincing a local museum to share them.
In the notes, Howitt describes in the late 1880s the rituals of Gunaikurnai medicine men and women called "mulla-mullung".
One ritual involved tying something that belonged to a sick person to the end of a throwing stick smeared in human or kangaroo fat. The stick was thrust into the ground before a small fire was lit underneath.
"The mulla-mullung would then chant the name of the sick person, and once the stick fell, the charm was complete," a Monash University statement said.
The sticks used in the ritual were made of casuarina wood, Howitt noted.
Jean-Jacques Delannoy, a French geomorphologist and study co-author, told AFP that "there is no other known gesture whose symbolism has been preserved for such a long time".
"Australia kept the memory of its first peoples alive thanks to a powerful oral tradition that enabled it to be passed on," Delannoy said.
"However in our societies, memory has changed since we switched to the written word, and we have lost this sense."
He lamented that the ancient animal paintings found in French caves would probably "never reveal their meaning" in a similar way.
Indigenous Australians are one of the oldest continuous living cultures, and Mullett said the discovery was a "unique opportunity to be able to read the memoirs of our ancestors".
It was "a reminder that we are a living culture still connected to our ancient past," he added.


The really astounding thing here is the distinct lack of scientific progress. It boggles the mind thinking that in 12,000 years they could not develop any form of medical science and instead keep burning sticks, without ever wondering why it's not working. You could probably leave them alone for another 12 thousand years and come back to find the same exact thing.
 
Genuinely interesting stuff. I am curious about what research could say about the historical development if we put aside the "everything was fine until the white man came" and look into the fact that Australia was about as enjoyable an environment as Mongolia without the neighbouring countries to invade and how that impacted the route the native culture took.

@Dyn not certain if you're browsing A&N enough to catch this or too busy casting bait in even easier waters. Also, remember. Roads are not for sleeping on.
There is nothing necessary about human intelligence. It’s possible to lose that progress and regress to an earlier or “lesser” state. I tend to think that man is the result of his environment, and the environment in Australia was (is?) probably selecting for the results you see. Now, if that’s true, why are the white people there not the same?
 
this, i'm interested in. it was a penal colony. how many resources and how much access to technology are we talking? not being facetious, my assumption was it would've been extremely minimal.
Same technology available to anyone in the 18th-19th century UK, just limited based on population and development. Free settlers also immigrated to Australia almost from the beginning so it was never purely a penal colony. Australia cut it close very early on though due to the poor treatment of convicts and the inadequate supplies sent along with them but after the early 1790s it was in decent shape.

The overall idea was for the transported convicts to serve out their sentence as indentured laborers, settle and become self-sufficient in the colony for long-term development. After all, if they refused or escaped, where were they going to go?
 
The best attested cannibalism was funerary in nature, but hunting other humans for food was thought to be pretty normal in times of scarcity. There are also some accounts of war-rite cannibalism similar to extant melanesian cultures, but that doesn't seem very widespread. The more outrageous accounts of people eating every second baby and making routine human sacrifices (as posted above by David Kirk Ginder) are now largely discredited and thought to be wh*toid lies motivated by territory disputes.
Thanks, that’s interesting. Are there any hints of stuff like kuru like the Melanesians got? I wonder if that was a chance initial thing with them that got spread around, or if it’s almost inevitable?
Are you part abo?
 
Yeah baby killing was pretty common. DCF just takes some of the abandoned babies now.

The Abbo groups I'm related to used to kill twins because they saw them as bad luck and their mother would also be punished for birthing them. It kinda makes sense, they were scrapping by in the bush and two more mouths to feed would've pushed them over the edge during bad times.

Twins are still really uncommon among them even though they aren't killed for the crime of being born now.
 
If you live somewhere that the best way to survive is conquest you’ll end up fierce.
That's my hypothesis as to why the Germans ended up as hyper-competitive as they did. Germany is just fertile enough to sustain a decent population without actually being fertile enough to sustain a large population. So whenever things hit a critical mass, conflict, to return to their prior levels before too long.
 
In the future they will find shrines to gasoline , at least the ones not used in skeegee speriments.
That puts guzzoline's role in the world of Mad Max in a new perspective. What if Gastown is not just a town, but a megalithic shrine for the black liquid gold.

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Thanks, that’s interesting. Are there any hints of stuff like kuru like the Melanesians got? I wonder if that was a chance initial thing with them that got spread around, or if it’s almost inevitable?
I don't think there's anything to suggest that. Kuru was a hyperlocalised thing.
Are you part abo?
No I choose to identify as a French person.
 
dude
Australia isn't the best environment for civilization building; Jared Diamond covered that pretty well in Guns, Germs, and Steel. Much of their megafauna was wiped out due to not having evolved alongside any sort of humans (Australia was the first continent colonized by our species that no other species of humans had ever colonized). Additionally, extinct or not, there weren't really any candidates for domestication which would have helped as we saw that the Incans without having something analogous to horses were still able to make use of llamas and alpacas as beasts of burden and for their wool.

I actually find many aspects of Aboriginal culture to be interesting, such as the oft suggested idea that the Bunyip represents a trace memory of the extinct Diprotodont, the largest marsupial to ever live.
they didnt even come up with the bow and arrow
 
dude

they didnt even come up with the bow and arrow
"There were no beasts of burden therefore they couldn't have possibly advanced past the level of chimpanzees" is cope I see all the time lately. Like it's literally not possible to notice that round things roll unless you've got an ox nearby. I don't know where it came from but it's universal among barbarity apologists.
 
Australia isn't the best environment for civilization building; Jared Diamond covered that pretty well in Guns, Germs, and Steel. Much of their megafauna was wiped out due to not having evolved alongside any sort of humans (Australia was the first continent colonized by our species that no other species of humans had ever colonized). Additionally, extinct or not, there weren't really any candidates for domestication which would have helped as we saw that the Incans without having something analogous to horses were still able to make use of llamas and alpacas as beasts of burden and for their wool.

I actually find many aspects of Aboriginal culture to be interesting, such as the oft suggested idea that the Bunyip represents a trace memory of the extinct Diprotodont, the largest marsupial to ever live.
Guns, Germs, and Steel is pop pseudohistory. It's garbage. Aborigines didn't develop shit because they're functionally retarded savages

Take the wheel, for example. Domestication of animals capable of pulling wheeled vehicles (cattle) occurred in the Fertile Crescent/Asia Minor about four to six thousand years before the invention of the wheel there. There is no clear, bright line from domesticating some suitable species of megafauna to the wheel. The invention of the wheel predated domestication of cattle species in China by about 1,000 years, and the arrival of domesticated horses (probably domesticated in the Central Asian steppe and Mongolia and then introduced to China by trade and invasion) by about 2,000 years. There was no intrinsic, insurmountable barrier to Aborigines inventing the wheel, as at least a half-dozen widely geographically distributed and independent cultures across Eurasia did about six thousand years ago. Aborigines didn't invent the wheel, or other basic technologies, for non-environmental reasons
 
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The best attested cannibalism was funerary in nature, but hunting other humans for food was thought to be pretty normal in times of scarcity. There are also some accounts of war-rite cannibalism similar to extant melanesian cultures, but that doesn't seem very widespread. The more outrageous accounts of people eating every second baby and making routine human sacrifices (as posted above by David Kirk Ginder) are now largely discredited and thought to be wh*toid lies motivated by territory disputes.
idk man a lot of tribal people were fucked up
 
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