A giant donut-shaped machine just proved a near-limitless clean power source is possible - Hint: it's nuclear power

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By Danya Gainor and Angela Dewan, CNN
Updated 1333 GMT (2133 HKT) February 9, 2022

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The core of the JET tokamak machine near the English city of Oxford.

(CNN) There's no silver bullet to the climate crisis, but nuclear fusion may be the closest thing to it. In the quest for a near-limitless, zero-carbon source of reliable power, scientists have generated fusion energy before, but they have struggled for decades to sustain it for very long.

On Wednesday, however, scientists working in the United Kingdom announced that they more than doubled the previous record for generating and sustaining nuclear fusion, which is the same process that allows the sun and stars to shine so brightly.

Nuclear fusion is, as its name suggests, the fusing of two or more atoms into one larger one, a process that unleashes a tremendous amount of energy as heat.

Nuclear power used today is created by a different process, called fission, which relies on splitting, rather than fusing, atoms. But that process creates waste that can remain radioactive for tens of thousands of years. It's also potentially hazardous in the event of an accident, such as Japan's 2011 Fukushima disaster, triggered by an earthquake and tsunami.

Fusion, on the other hand, is much safer, can produce little waste and requires only small amounts of abundant, naturally-sourced fuel, including elements extracted from seawater. This makes it an attractive option as the world transitions away from the fossil fuels driving climate change.

In a giant donut-shaped machine known as a tokamak, scientists near the English city of Oxford were able to generate a record-breaking 59 megajoules of sustained fusion energy over five seconds on December 21 last year. Five seconds is the limit the machine can sustain the power before its magnets overheat.

A magnetic field is required to contain the high temperatures needed to carry out the fusion process, which can be as high as 150 million degrees Celsius, 10 times hotter than the center of the sun.

"Our experiment showed for the first time that it's possible to have a sustained fusion process using exactly the same fuel mix planned for future fusion power plants," Tony Donné, CEO of EUROfusion, said at a press conference.

EUROfusion, a consortium that includes 4,800 experts, students and staff from across Europe, carried out the project in partnership with the UK Atomic Energy Authority. The European Commission also contributed funding.

The potential for fusion energy is enormous. The JET experiment used the elements deuterium and tritium -- which are isotopes of hydrogen -- to fuel the fusion. Those elements are likely to be used in commercial-scale fusion, and can be found in seawater.

"The energy you can get out of the fuel deuterium and tritium is massive. For example, powering the whole of current UK electrical demand for a day would require 0.5 tonnes of deuterium, which could be extracted from seawater -- where its concentration is low but plentiful," Tony Roulstone from the University of Cambridge's Department of Engineering told CNN.

He said the fusion generated by JET was around the same as a wind turbine, and could power one house's energy for a day.
"But if generated repeatedly, it could power thousands of houses."

Experts say the results prove that nuclear fusion is possible, and no longer a pipedream solution for the climate crisis.
"These landmark results have taken us a huge step closer to conquering one of the biggest scientific and engineering challenges of them all," said Ian Chapman, CEO of the UK Atomic Energy Authority.

Mark Wenman, a nuclear materials researcher at Imperial College London, said in a statement that the experiment's results are "exciting," and that they show "fusion energy really is no longer just a dream of the far future -- the engineering to make it a useful, clean power source is achievable and happening now."

The tokamak in Oxford, called the Joint European Torus (JET), has been subject to such extreme heat and pressure that this experiment is likely the last it will cope with.

But its results are seen as a huge boon for ITER, a fusion megaproject in the south of France supported by the US, China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea and Russia. The ITER project is 80% built and aims to begin nuclear fusion sometime in 2025-26.

While JET's goal was to prove that nuclear fusion could be generated and sustained, ITER's aim is to produce a tenfold return on energy, or 500 MW of fusion power from 50 MW of fuel put in.

The results are promising, but mastering nuclear fusion as an everyday energy source is still likely a long way off.
"The JET results are impressive and probably will get better as they proceed through their experiments. They are producing high power 12 MW, but right now just for five seconds. Much longer fusion burn is what is required," Roulstone said.

The most recent report from Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) on the latest science shows that the world must nearly halve its greenhouse gas emissions this decade and reach zero net emissions by 2050 to keep global warming in check. That means making a rapid transition away from fossil fuels, like coal, oil and gas.

Those actions are required to have any hope of containing warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels, seen as a threshold to substantially worsening climate impacts, according to the IPCC.
 
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Simpsons did it again!
I'd like to see an episode where Homer works at a fusion plant instead & his incompetence creates a sun that collapses into a black hole or something.

Also of note, if fusion happens, nobody can any longer complain about the energy draw of crypto either, because it's free & clean.
 
Literally nothing in this article is new info. We've been talking about NIF's fusion efficiency advancement for 7 months now. Maybe if CNN stopped writing articles about Drumpf and his papers they could keep up with the times.
 
Literally nothing in this article is new info. We've been talking about NIF's fusion efficiency advancement for 7 months now. Maybe if CNN stopped writing articles about Drumpf and his papers they could keep up with the times.
New nuclear energy technology? Nah.
Trump asked for two scoops of ice cream? STOP THE PRESSES.

Sad to say, this is what people are into.
 
Fusion power is a pipe dream with current tech. The NIF "breakthrough" was getting barely more energy out than was put in by their Rube Goldberg synchronized laser compression research system. So it gets one barely energy positive blip every several minutes in the most optimistic scenario right now.

Tokamaks have been in development forever. The high energy neutron flux in them makes the entire reactor turn into radioactive waste and causes the materials to become brittle, meaning that now-radioactive reactor has to be changed out relatively often. They may still not even be generating more energy than they use, and the big advancement that CNN wrote a front-page article about was:

Scientists [...] were able to generate a record-breaking 59 megajoules of sustained fusion energy over five seconds on December 21 last year. Five seconds is the limit the machine can sustain the power before its magnets overheat.

It generated energy for 5 seconds before it overheated because that's all it is capable of doing. That isn't a breakthrough, it's a doctoral dissertation for a few eggheads and an excuse to bilk more funds from governments.

My only surprise is, after declaring this was the greenest energy EVER (spoiler: no greener than fission really, and fusion has its own dangers), the pseudo-journos didn't hedge that fusion wasn't a real solution until it also addresses trans rights.

If the climate activists were in the least bit serious about solving energy issues in a "green" way, there would be advanced fission reactors going in everywhere right now. That's how you know it's all one giant grift. They've deemed the only realistic solution verboten "because reasons" and keep pining after impossible solutions while shaking down governments for money.

tl;dr - fusion reactors are only possible now with unobtainium, they're still dangerous and create radioactive waste, and journalists remain retards who can't even grasp the basics of what they write about.

ETA: Here's an article that's realistic about fusion.
 
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Fusion power is a pipe dream with current tech. The NIF "breakthrough" was getting barely more energy out than was put in by their Rube Goldberg synchronized laser compression research system. So it gets one barely energy positive blip every several minutes in the most optimistic scenario right now.

Tokamaks have been in development forever, cause the reactor materials to become tons of radioactive waste via neutron flux, may not even be generating more energy than they use, and recently achieved this great advancement that CNN wrote a front-page article about:



It generated energy for 5 seconds before it overheated as completely expected. That isn't a breakthrough, it's a doctoral dissertation for a few eggheads and an excuse to bilk more funds from governments.

My only surprise is that, after declaring this was the greenest energy EVAR (spoiler: no greener than fission really, and fusion has its own dangers), the journos didn't hedge that it wasn't a real solution until it addresses trans rights.

If the climate activists were in the least bit serious about solving energy issues in a "green" way, there would be advanced fission reactors going in everywhere right now. That's how you know it's all one giant grift. They've deemed the only realistic solution "naughty because reasons" and keep pining after impossible solutions while shaking down governments for money.

tl;dr - fusion reactors are only possible now with unobtainium, they're still dangerous and create radioactive waste, and journalists remain retards who can't even grasp the basics of what they write about.

ETA: Here's an article that's realistic about fusion.
That was a lot of Wargarbl ya wrote there.
 
Fusion power is a pipe dream with current tech. The NIF "breakthrough" was getting barely more energy out than was put in by their Rube Goldberg synchronized laser compression research system. So it gets one barely energy positive blip every several minutes in the most optimistic scenario right now.

Tokamaks have been in development forever. The high energy neutron flux in them makes the entire reactor turn into radioactive waste and causes the materials to become brittle, meaning that now-radioactive reactor has to be changed out relatively often. They may still not even be generating more energy than they use, and the big advancement that CNN wrote a front-page article about was:



It generated energy for 5 seconds before it overheated because that's all it is capable of doing. That isn't a breakthrough, it's a doctoral dissertation for a few eggheads and an excuse to bilk more funds from governments.

My only surprise is, after declaring this was the greenest energy EVER (spoiler: no greener than fission really, and fusion has its own dangers), the pseudo-journos didn't hedge that fusion wasn't a real solution until it also addresses trans rights.

If the climate activists were in the least bit serious about solving energy issues in a "green" way, there would be advanced fission reactors going in everywhere right now. That's how you know it's all one giant grift. They've deemed the only realistic solution verboten "because reasons" and keep pining after impossible solutions while shaking down governments for money.

tl;dr - fusion reactors are only possible now with unobtainium, they're still dangerous and create radioactive waste, and journalists remain retards who can't even grasp the basics of what they write about.

ETA: Here's an article that's realistic about fusion.
I get the doubt of fusion, shit feels like it’s been just around the corner for decades now, but this experiment managed to produce more energy than it took to start the reaction, which is a good step forward. Apparently the new fusion reactor they’re working on, ITER, has far beefier cooling. The JET is pretty fucking old at this point. Id rather be optimistic about fusion than pessimistic, but I do agree we should be moving forward with fission in the meantime.
 
I get the doubt of fusion, shit feels like it’s been just around the corner for decades now, but this experiment managed to produce more energy than it took to start the reaction, which is a good step forward. Apparently the new fusion reactor they’re working on, ITER, has far beefier cooling. The JET is pretty fucking old at this point. Id rather be optimistic about fusion than pessimistic, but I do agree we should be moving forward with fission in the meantime.
That's actually some good news, but what are they using for a cooling solution to prevent one of these miniature suns from melting the tokamak? Are they going to use water or are they going to use more extreme shit like dry ice or liquid nitrogen?
 
Are we finally 10 years away from Fusion power?
We're 10 years away from it every year.

Call me when someone gets an electric bill from an online public fusion plant, otherwise it's the same old gee-whiz look at how we made enough energy to give you a single laundry grade static shock and it only cost us $50 million in research funds!
 
Are we finally 10 years away from Fusion power?

30 years ago, we were 10 years away from fusion power. 30 years from now, we'll be 10 years away from fusion power.

Not a single fusion tokamak in existence is now, nor will ever be, a "power plant". They're all just experimental devices.

None of them will ever give us a penny more power out than the money we'll pour into them.

I'm not saying they're not a good investment, they are, but fusion power is one of those "Plant a tree whose shade you will never sit under." things, and we have to be realistic about it.
 
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That's actually some good news, but what are they using for a cooling solution to prevent one of these miniature suns from melting the tokamak? Are they going to use water or are they going to use more extreme shit like dry ice or liquid nitrogen?
Probably liquid helium, same as is used in MRIs. In addition, I’m reasonably sure that fusion reactors will still ultimately produce energy via boiling water to turn a turbine, since thats by far the most efficient way of converting heat to electricity, so any actual power plant will likely use heavy water or water in its cooling system somewhere. I imagine the primary cooling would still be using cryogenic helium or nitrogen, but the heat transfer for cooling the cryogenic fluids will be into water I’d guess, heat needs to go somewhere. I imagine we’re at least 30-50 years from a fully fledged commercial generation venture if stuff at ITER goes well, cause they’ll need to deal with actually harnessing the heat to generate power, and that’ll take some time to mature.
 
Probably liquid helium, same as is used in MRIs.
Helium? That substance that's rapidly diminishing and we'll completely lose in twenty years?
In addition, I’m reasonably sure that fusion reactors will still ultimately produce energy via boiling water to turn a turbine, since thats by far the most efficient way of converting heat to electricity, so any actual power plant will likely use heavy water or water in its cooling system somewhere. I imagine the primary cooling would still be using cryogenic helium or nitrogen, but the heat transfer for cooling the cryogenic fluids will be into water I’d guess, heat needs to go somewhere. I imagine we’re at least 30-50 years from a fully fledged commercial generation venture if stuff at ITER goes well, cause they’ll need to deal with actually harnessing the heat to generate power, and that’ll take some time to mature.
They'll probably end up submerging it in water to get it to work so the tokamaks wont boil the water away completely, or rather they'll probably be submerged in the ocean somewhere, it'll make for an attractive gathering place for manatees.
 
It's one of those things where if you need to explain fission vs fusion to someone, they'll never really understand it, and if they're capable of understanding it they probably already know the difference.
 
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