Science A European study has concluded that COVID-19 vaccines are causing ‘Long-term brain damage’


A new pre-print paper at bioRxiv reveals that spike proteins from mRNA jabs are relocating to the brain tissue of vaccinated people.

Researchers found that spike proteins from the shots accumulates in the skull marrow, brain meninges, and brain parenchyma, further explaining that the “injection of the spike proteins alone caused cell death in the brain, highlighting a direct effect on brain tissue.”

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A new pre-print paper at bioRxiv reveals that spike proteins from mRNA jabs are relocating to the brain tissue of vaccinated people.

Researchers found that spike proteins from the shots accumulates in the skull marrow, brain meninges, and brain parenchyma, further explaining that the “injection of the spike proteins alone caused cell death in the brain, highlighting a direct effect on brain tissue.”

Even long after a “positive” COVID test and infection has passed, spike proteins can continue to remain lodged in the human brain. Researchers say these lingering spike proteins could contribute to long-term neurological symptoms such as brain “fog” and brain tissue loss.

It turns out that numerous peer-reviewed studies even back in 2021 revealed that spike proteins from the injections lodge themselves throughout the body and stay there, deactivating a person’s telomerase, causing premature aging and possible death.



Archive of study:

A review of neurological side effects of COVID-19 vaccination
Roya Hosseini & Nayere Askari
European Journal of Medical Research volume 28, Article number: 102 (2023) Cite this article

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Abstract
Following the COVID-19 virus epidemic, extensive, coordinated international research has led to the rapid development of effective vaccines. Although vaccines are now considered the best way to achieve collective safety and control mortality, due to the critical situation, these vaccines have been issued the emergency use licenses and some of their potential subsequence side effects have been overlooked. At the same time, there are many reports of side effects after getting a COVID-19 vaccine. According to these reports, vaccination can have an adverse event, especially on nervous system. The most important and common complications are cerebrovascular disorders including cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, transient ischemic attack, intracerebral hemorrhage, ischemic stroke, and demyelinating disorders including transverse myelitis, first manifestation of MS, and neuromyelitis optica. These effects are often acute and transient, but they can be severe and even fatal in a few cases. Herein, we have provided a comprehensive review of documents reporting neurological side effects of COVID-19 vaccines in international databases from 2020 to 2022 and discussed neurological disorders possibly caused by vaccination.

Background
In December 2019, the SARS Covid-2 virus was introduced to the world. A virus that was much more contagious than SARS Covid-1 and spread to different parts of the world in a short time. Following that situation in 2020, the World Health Organization had to declare a global health emergency. This virus is known to cause widespread lung infection and hypoxia [1]. As of November 2022, 630.3 million people have been diagnosed with COVID-19 and 6.58 million deaths worldwide, according to WHO figures [2].

In early 2021, the first vaccines were introduced to stop the pandemic. Also, approximately 68.2% of the world's population has been fully vaccinated against this disease. There are four major strategies for producing COVID-19 vaccines, including nucleic acid-based vaccine (DNA–mRNA), viral vector (replication–non-replication), live inactivated (or attenuated) virus, and protein (spike protein or its subunits). In nucleic acid and adenovirus-based vaccines, fragments of the virus mRNA or genome enter human cells and induce the production of viral proteins [3]. These viral proteins are eventually identified as antigens and stimulate antibody production. In vaccines containing inactive or protein viruses, virus particles and proteins, as antigens, trigger the immune system [4]. As of November 2021, 11 candidate vaccines for COVID-19 have been approved by the World Health Organization for mass vaccination after leaving phase 3 of clinical studies. However, in order to prove the effectiveness of the vaccine in terms of safety and side effects, the implementation of phase 4 of clinical studies is necessary. Because the results of the phase 4 studies are the proper criteria for how the vaccine works in the real world [5].

Vaccines have always been known to be the most effective and safest drugs; however, different side effects have been identified for them, for example, the link between influenza, hepatitis, and HPV vaccines with demyelinating syndromes has been discovered, and the injection of influenza vaccine is a reason for the incidence of narcolepsy in young people [6].

Because COVID-19 vaccines are urgently approved, meaning they do not complete the standard clinical trials, the adverse effects of each vaccine should be closely monitored. It is necessary to pay attention to the fact that in mass vaccination, due to different races, disease history, age, lifestyle, and other effective factors, the incidence of adverse effects of vaccination is higher. According to data from the CDC, VAERS, and EMA databases, the short-term outcome of COVID-19 vaccination is promising, but in the medium and long term, especially with some vaccines, side effects have been reported that are worrisome. VST is the most severe disorder that should be diagnosed and controlled immediately. Therefore, physicians and personnel of medical centers related to these patients should recognize these complications and intervene as soon as possible.

Search method
Research, Review, and Case Report articles related to adverse effects of COVID-19 vaccination from 2020 to February 2022 were searched and reviewed in Google Scholar, PubMed, and NCBI databases. Many Case Report articles were not considered due to the lack of a convincing link between the complication and vaccination. Keywords used for this search included COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, vaccination, side effects, complications, vascular thrombosis, thrombocytopenia, myelitis, demyelination, and all kind of mRNA vaccines, Adenovirus vaccine, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Moderna, Sinovac, Sinopharm, Sputnik, and Covaxin. For ease of understanding the various side effects of COVID-19 vaccination, the main categories are shown in Fig. 1.

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Classification of neurological complications observed after COVID-19 vaccination

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Neurological complications following COVID-19 vaccination
According to reports published in the VAERS database, COVID-19 vaccines have several local and systemic neurological complications that occur in different people, from mild to severe, depending on age, sex, history of the disease, and pre-existing immunity [7]. Complications usually appear within one day to 1 month after injection and are usually acute, transient, and self-limiting, but in severe cases lead to hospitalization and intensive care [8]. On the other hand, women have the highest incidence of neurological complications because they induce a stronger immune response against foreign antigens, which can lead to the targeting of self-antigens and lead to autoimmune disorders [9]. Adverse reactions after the second dose of the vaccine are reported more than in the first dose [5].

Mild neurological effects of the COVID-19 vaccine include weakness, numbness, headache, dizziness, imbalance, fatigue, muscle spasms, joint pain, and restless leg syndrome are more common, while tremors, tinnitus, and herpes zoster are less common. On the other hand, severe neurological complications included Bell's palsy, Guillain–Barre syndrome (GBS), stroke, seizures, anaphylaxis, and demyelinating syndromes such as transverse myelitis and acute encephalomyelitis [10]. Among these, the most dangerous neurological complication caused by COVID-19 vaccines, especially adenovirus-based, is cerebral venous sinus thrombosis in women of childbearing age [8].

According to the WHO, in the case of side effects of inactivated virus-based vaccines, especially Sinopharm, the most common local and systemic adverse reactions are injection site reactions, fatigue, fever, headache, and allergic dermatitis, which are self-limiting, and the person does not need to be hospitalized [11, 12]. It is noteworthy that rare and scattered reports have been published on the side effects of Sinopharm and other inactivated virus-based vaccines (Table 1). Vaccine reactivity has been linked to a temporary increase in inflammatory cytokines that act on blood vessels, muscles, and other tissues. In other words, we will observe the flu-like syndrome for several consecutive days after vaccination [13]. According to a recent report on the Sputnik vaccine, side effects are included headache, joint pain, fever, and flu-like symptoms [14]. According to published information on the side effects of other adenovirus vaccines, it is essential to properly evaluate the efficacy of the Sputnik vaccine and publish relevant data to decide on its side effects. COVID-19 vaccination can sometimes have severe side effects on nervous system, including the brain, spinal cord, cranial nerves, and peripheral nerves, and has been shown to have adverse vascular, metabolic, inflammatory, and functional effects on the brain [1].

Table 1 Reported neurological complications for inactivated virus-based vaccines
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The two main mechanisms, ectopic immune reactions, and molecular mimicry, have been proposed for the pathogenicity of vaccines and how these complications occur.

Headache
The first and most common systemic side effect of COVID-19 vaccines is headache, which is mild to severe and is felt in the frontal area of the head. Post-vaccination headaches can be caused by stress, vascular spasm, and intracerebral or subarachnoid hemorrhage. Vaccines based on mRNA and adenovirus have been reported to be most likely to cause headaches [26].

Vascular complications in the brain
Due to the activity of the immune system, after the injection of COVID-19 vaccines, especially adenovirus-based type, thrombocytopenia, cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, ischemic stroke and intracerebral hemorrhage, have also been reported [27]. The proposed mechanism for thrombocytopenia is the synthesis of IgG antibodies against platelet factor 4 (PF4), which activates platelets and blood clots in large venous arteries [28]. Adenovirus-based vaccines are at the forefront of causing this complication due to the transfer of the nucleic acids encoding the viral spike (S) protein. Due to the leakage of these genetic materials and their binding to factor 4 platelet, autoimmunity develops [29]. Venous sinus thrombosis is associated with excessive coagulation. Vaccine viral antigens activate platelets or indirectly cause blood to clot by activating complement pathways and increasing thrombin production. Venous sinus thrombosis and cerebral hemorrhage are more common in women between the ages of 30 and 50 than in men (Table 2) [8].

Table 2 Reported neurological complications for adenovirus-based vaccines
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Acute neurological disorders
These disorders include, transverse myelitis, acute diffuse encephalomyelitis (ADEM), Bell’s palsy, GBS, encephalopathy and seizures. Each type of vaccine can play a different role in increasing the risk of manifestation of these disorders (Tables 2, 3). The COVID-19 vaccine-related convulsions can be attributed to the synthesis and release of spike proteins, which cause severe inflammation and hyperthermia. Hyperthermia, in turn, increases glial cell activity and increases blood–brain barrier permeability. Following these events, as expected, peripheral blood cells and albumin enter the brain and disrupt the osmotic balance [10]. In connection with brain disorders, the possible mechanism is the entry of inflammatory mediators secreted by peripheral blood cells into the brain and the destruction of myelin and axonal degeneration. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 spike domain S1 antibodies in CSF may explain neurological complications after vaccination, such as encephalopathy and seizures [61].

Table 3 Reported neurological complications for mRNA-based vaccines
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Transverse myelitis is an inflammation of a part of the spinal cord that usually occurs after infection and is associated with impaired sensory, motor, and autonomic function (bladder and intestines) in areas below the area of inflammation in the spinal cord. The mechanism of induction of this disorder is the development of autoimmunity by molecular mimicry. In fact, the viral antigens of the vaccine stimulate an immunological response in the spinal cord [62]. Transverse myelitis has been observed after injection of mRNA and adenovirus-based vaccines, and it is noteworthy that mRNA-based vaccines can cause exacerbation or early manifestation of MS and neuromyelitis optica. More generally, the majority of demyelinating syndromes are related to mRNA-based vaccines, followed by adenovirus-based vaccines. According to reports, these complications are more common in men and women between the ages of 20 and 60 [9].

COVID-19 vaccination also affects the cranial and peripheral nerves and causes side effects such as Bell's palsy (facial nerve palsy—7 cranial nerve), abducens nerve palsy (lateral rectus ocular muscle nerve palsy—6 cranial nerve), impaired vision, olfactory, hearing, Guillain–Barre syndrome (GBS), small fiber neuropathy, Parsonage–Turner syndrome, and also herpes zoster. In this case, too, the known mechanism is the induction of autoimmunity by molecular mimicry. Bell's palsy and small fiber neuropathy are more commonly observed in mRNA-based vaccines [63, 64]. GBS is also a peripheral nerves and nerve roots injury that presents with severe motor weakness and paralysis of the legs or four limbs and is more common in the elderly after vaccination with adenovirus-based vaccines [65]. There have been many reports of the Pfizer vaccine being associated with olfactory [66], visual [67], auditory [68, 69], and sometimes abducens nerve palsy. Olfactory dysfunction ranges from a lack of sense of smell to an olfactory hallucination (phantosmia) that results from a bilateral disturbance or enhancement of the olfactory pathway and the olfactory bulb. Hearing disorders can vary from hearing loss to tinnitus and dizziness. Also, there is ample evidence that the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are associated with optic nerve inflammation and vision disorders and are more common in middle-aged people [70].

Herpes zoster is a disease that occurs as a result of the reactivation of the varicella-zoster virus (VZV) after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. The process that causes the disorder is probably explained by the fact that the varicella-zoster virus CD8+ killer cells, after vaccination, are temporarily unable to control VZV due to the extensive change of simple CD8+ cells to the COVID-19 virus CD8+ killer cells. Therefore, vaccination is like a shock to the recurrence of VZV and subsequent herpes zoster [71]. mRNA-based vaccines can increase the risk of herpes zoster [72]. There was a recent report of Ramsey Hunt Syndrome (RHS after the Pfizer vaccination. RHS leads to facial nerve palsy, vestibulocochlear neuropathy, and glossopharyngeal nerve neuropathy, so it causes numbness of the face, tongue, and hearing loss. In addition, skin blisters have been observed in the ear area, leading us to hypothesize that reactivation of VZV could be a cause for RHS as well as Bell's palsy [71].

Conclusion
According to the vaccine study literature, adverse effects have always been part of the mass vaccination strategy, but ultimately the desired effects of the vaccination are more significant. Side effects of COVID-19 vaccination have been reported more frequently in people with a history of immune-related diseases or who are more sensitive to age and physiological conditions. The most important and most common complications are cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (more about AstraZeneca), transverse myelitis (more about Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson), Bell's palsy (more about Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca), GBS (more about Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson), and the first manifestation of MS (more about Pfizer). Finally, discovering whether these disorders are accidental or whether the vaccine is the main cause of them requires future studies, ongoing efforts to gather evidence, and long-term monitoring.

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Get off thine fucking highhorse. What chance do you think some rando working a 9-5 job who watches TV and posts on Facebook had to actually hear the real information, and if by some miracle they did, they were slammed from all directions with DISINFORMATION and CONSPIRACY THEORY and QANON LIES and whatever else the media could drag out.
Imagine listening to Whoopi Goldberg for medical advice.

They had all the information to say "eh, I want more information first." They didn't do that. Americans decided "Screw your freedoms" and smashed all dissent. Every fucking evil from money printing to mask mandates to not being able to go to the beach to children losing a year of schooling, that was all on regular people. It doesn't matter they were lied to or tricked or bamboozled, they chose to believe these lies for years on end and smash anyone who didn't agree.
 
And-- especially early on-- who were they going to believe? Internet anons who can't even differentiate between a coronavirus and influenza saying that COVID is no big deal at all?
We gave you plenty of examples of "experts" lying out their fucking ass for a payday or political reasons throughout history and were called retard conspiracy theorists and in many cases people said we deserved to fucking die for it.

Once again, retards/cowards/NPC's are not entitled or have the right to sympathy simply for being retards/cowards/NPC's.

Doubly so for faggots who can't accept they were wrong and complete fucking jackoffs who now suddenly want forgiveness for their actions and solidarity amongst everyone only because they're facing the consequences of their decisions and actions.
 
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Hey man, if being a conspiracy weirdo gets you mad pussy from hipster thots now, I take back everything I said.
Nothing you say can undo the fact that you were so incredibly stupid that you willingly drank poison because the government told you to. There's nothing I can add really. You were just that incredibly fucking stupid. Please don't drink more poison at us, smart man.
Ah yes, of course.

Hate to break it, but FDA approved plaque psoriasis medication is a million times more dangerous and fucked more niggas then covid vax.
No one tried to force me to take it, on pain of loss of civil rights.
 
Most of us aren't anti-vax like faggots keep trying to paint. We were anti-this vax cause it was rushed, barely tested, and ineffective.

But keep pushing the mainstream talking point that just because you think this one was suspicious that it means we think all them are the problem.

Exactly, but the media, the government, the medical industry... it lumped it all in together. If you questioned this, you were an inbred, sibling-fucking yokel who didn't believe in science. That's one of the classic ways to control a dialog - refuse to allow nuance.
 
When your employer says "Do this, or I fire you," that's being forced. Yes, technically, you can say no - but holding your employment at ransom for compliance is both morally and legally considered coercion. It's why bosses can't (in theory) fire hot employees who refuse to fuck them, for example, at least outside of Hollywood. When the choice is "get the shot, or you and your kids maybe don't eat next month", particularly during a period where people were losing their jobs left and right already and oportunity for employment was at an all-time low, that's absolutely not a free choice.

When the medical system says, "You won't be considered for treatment you need unless you are vaccinated," again, yes, technically they can say no, but it's coercion.

When the legal system is prepared to prevent parents from seeing their children if they don't get vaccinated, again, yes, technically they can say no, but it's coercion.

And so on.

Yes, people were very much "forced" to get the shot, even if it wasn't literally at gunpoint. I mean, hell, even at gunpoint you can technically refuse. You just have to be willing to pay the price. Same deal.
This brings up some interesting philosophical questions regarding consent and what exactly "forced" means, but I think the most interesting question brought up is "is obvious sarcasm bait?".
 
Nothing you say can undo the fact that you were so incredibly stupid that you willingly drank poison because the government told you to. There's nothing I can add really. You were just that incredibly fucking stupid. Please don't drink more poison at us, smart man.
Man, I would rather get a 12th booster and get a pfizer tattoo on my scrotum rather then listen to your 12 year old fat girl drama bleets, lol.
 
Imagine listening to Whoopi Goldberg for medical advice.

Imagine listening to the Surgeon General. Imagine listening to your doctor you've been going to and trusted for years. Imagine listening to practically anyone you chose to listen to, because contrasting viewpoints were suppressed hard unless you actually dug for them.

They had all the information to say "eh, I want more information first." They didn't do that. Americans decided "Screw your freedoms" and smashed all dissent. Every fucking evil from money printing to mask mandates to not being able to go to the beach to children losing a year of schooling, that was all on regular people. It doesn't matter they were lied to or tricked or bamboozled, they chose to believe these lies for years on end and smash anyone who didn't agree.

Yeah, most people don't choose to believe lies. They just believe them.
 
I understand that, but your enemy is the people who pushed this untested vaccine on the public and forced many of them to get it out of fear. Sure there's plenty of nigger cattle who got the jab and bragged about it for upvotes, but there's a lot of people who risked losing their careers if they didn't comply. It's evil what they did to them, and I wish them no harm.
Niggercattle like you deserve to be enslaved and jabbed into submission. If your boss wanted to fuck you in the ass or else you lose your job you'd bend on all fours and spread those cheeks for him. It's pathetic. Nobody was physically forced to take the jab except for children who don't know any better, some poor retards in care homes and animals in the zoos. Any adult who chose comfort and submission instead of personal integrity is a faggot niggercattle slave. The funny part is that nobody was actually losing jobs because of the jab, if you actually got fired you'd now have a better job, you'd still be unraped by the vax, and you could even be suing your former employer.

tl'dr getting vaxxed was your decision, you were not "forced", you chose comfort. I'm tired of niggercattle like you trying to cope with some "muh job" slave arguments. You will never be organic again. You are a niggercattle turned into a mockery of God's creation by synthetic mRNA
 
I'm not talking about myself, and I never gave anybody grief for not taking the vaccine-- talk less here. I don't recall shilling it, either (I couldn't, because I'd only ever be able to demonstrate that it didn't work while only being able to guess that it did). Are you so wound up that anybody that doesn't drone with you is an absolute "them"?

We gave you plenty of examples of "experts" lying out their fucking ass for a payday or political reasons throughout history
Oftentimes (not all the time) with equally disingenuous or otherwise lacking articles also written for a payday or political reasons and was uncritically questioned as long as it fit the prevailing biases. Never mind that for months (maybe it's still happening?), any health event report was almost immediately met with the bleating of "MUST BE THE VAX" as well as disingenuously crafted questions with the latent conclusion of "must be the vax".

Do you-- or anyone-- have any idea how much sifting the uninitiated would have to do in order to find reputable dissenting articles in the-- and I use this term loosely-- "repository" of dissenting COVID reading materials on this site, because much of it was collated and/or all but blindly accepted by people who could not differentiate between a coronavirus and influenza and talked matter-of-factly about bullshit, even after being corrected on no less than five disparate occasions? Who kept saying "it's just the flu" even when it was known that its severity wildly varied according to preexisting conditions and was obviously more lethal than the flu? Who kept saying that COVID was no big deal at all? Who then graduated to blaming deaths of any kind on the vaccine, regardless of their lack of working theory and-- at times-- known contradictory information?

And even with your self-imposed handicaps, it was still you against people that had much more reach, reputation, and-- in some cases-- relevant on-paper credentials than the likes of you. Or do you not think that others were bringing up articles for the side that opposed you? Of course you'll think that yours are superior-- they're from your "side".

As an aside: you don't owe anybody sympathy?

Once again, retards/cowards/NPC's are not entitled or have the right to sympathy simply for being retards/cowards/NPC's.

That's not just a given-- it cuts both ways.

There's no reason for anybody to care enough about your mistreatment to give you a free pass to play the asshole and get basic information wrong in the course of supposedly educating others. Especially if you've created an us-versus-them dichotomy where you lump disparate groups together to fling your ire at. Especially if you show that you'll wish excruciating death on them for not following lockstep with you, as if you only conveyed knowledge for the sake of stroking your ego rather than helping others.
 
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Of course you'll think that yours are superior-- they're from your "side".
Your side violated the Nuremberg Code, you know, like the Nazis did. So yes, the people who didn't violate medical consent rights are superior to those who did. So sorry that doesn't include you, traitor. All your equivocation can't make that fact go away.
 

@Bog-standard Poster: Same issue here can't quote you directly.​

Respect to you Brother for standing your ground. The problem is, once the mask slips, even if they put it back on, they can never be trusted again. Your time was up as soon as you said "no". Even if it took 6 months, they'd have had you out for disobeying the messaging.
Exactly. I also never hide who I am from fellow employees and many of the "employee" friends who spied on me pretended to be honorable and sold out to betray me over getting a different shift.

A very similar to experience as me. The ones who were going to make a stand, were the first ones rushing in to get the vaccine.

When people asked me if i was vaxxed, I used to hit them with this: "We live in one of the greatest, richest countries on Earth, with one of the best medical companies there is (NHS). Yet, there are 100's of millions of people dying in Africa and poor countries, world-wide who desperately need the vaccine. I can't in good conscience take the vaccine while so many vulnerable and poor people are without the medical facilities to treat them if they catch COVID. They deserve my vax first". The looks I got from the normies were great. You could see their programming conflict in real time.
See, I was used to being jeered over my warning other than by people who know I'm correct. Not usually lining up agreeing so it kind of broke the immersion when the hardent "resistors" were cowrards and hypocrites all along with no conviction. The Protomen's song "Man or Machine" finally made sense upon that moment. I finally realized so many things that used to confuse me like why ancient philosophers left society to become hermits.

I'm sorry to hear that. I worked in a warehouse for a few months to keep myself ticking over. I wasn't ready to go back to normie workforce after how they had reacted. People said I was nuts, i probably am, but leaving my job because of the jab was the best thing to happen for my career. I hope you have had similar successes since COVID

Not paticularly but it was the costs of holding convictions. I have less money, and less success but I'm ok with that. Some sacrifices are worth it something many who jumped on board for it will never understand. I miss the comfort of easier times and more money but it was never necessary for me. There's a cost to everything, but those who gave into comfort could never understand that. This whole conversation chain proves that.

thought I was the only Millhouse. I used to put tape over my webcams (or unplug them) and tape over my laptop in the early 2000s. I was laughed at, but look at what happened.
The funny thing is the people who warned me were very credible the difference is I had the wisdom to listen to their warnings of such things and realized when they were 100% correct. Too many people let their egos and requiring evidence instead of sitting back and opening their ears and making a judgement on the more presentable case.
No, I just don't give a shit about you. You're some random loudmouth on the internet. I'll fight for my family. Not Random McDumbass. On the list of things I care about, you're somewhere below a very unimportant thing.
That's the problem, you don't listen. Everytime this shit gets proven people like yourself claim everyone who was right was just a random internet loudmouth "or internet anon" it can't be both. It's more likely you joined a group of people unwilling to listen and when you face consequences your cognitivedissonance is not to admit mistake in what you listened to but ignore what you didn't listen or who you didn't listen too. Some people continuously got things right and some got it continuously wrong. Why would you listen to repeat failures? No one said listen to just anyone but those with valid points often had evidence or a solid case to be made.

No. It started before Covid, and has continued since.

We're going to reach a point where we stand together, or we hang alone. We're not there yet, but we'll be there eventually. When that time comes, I will take no satisfaction from knowing I stood on absolutist principles as they lead me to the gallows.
Yes, it did start before Covid and thepeople making a huge ass mistake then are the same making a huge ass mistake now, and continuing to make those mistakes instead of second guessing themselves. Running at a wall headfirst over and over again is insanity. But becaus they'd rather not admit mistake they do so because the "loud mouths on the internet" might humble those same people running at the wall if they merely get the point they are being foolish.

You will save neither your family nor your children by accepting the lies and incorrect path (running into the wall) Yeah, it sucks having to swallow one's ego but it's better to admit mistake then hit that concrete slap head first over and over again. Right?
Are you going to pay their bills? Are you going to feed their children? Are you going to get them a new job? Are you going to take their children to school and back?

Do you even know who it is you're making demands of? Are they supposed to care about the wants of people who would wish them dead for not walking in lockstep with them at a net cost?

The problem is the same people making those mistakes are making the same poor decisions that raise the costs of bills. That make it harder to get a new job. That makes school a hunting ground of their children.


When they make the same mistakes leading to making THEIR OWN families and children's life harder why shouldn't this be pointed out how their self-serving is literally only a detriment TO THEIR OWN family, THEIR OWN children, and EVERYONE ELSE!
And-- especially early on-- who were they going to believe? Internet anons who can't even differentiate between a coronavirus and influenza saying that COVID is no big deal at all? Versus thitherto benign doctors, many of whom also probably didn't know any better but at least had professional experience lending to some sense of authority on the matter?


I'm of the mind that the vaccine was initially effective but quickly waned in efficacy with every successive major mutation, as you would expect for a vaccine against a highly mutable virus.
You're mistaken, there were plenty of highly accredited doctors who were literally writing pages of evidence of why not to take the vaccine. You can argue if someone said "just trust my word" How do you read a 21 page evidence filled mini-book on why the Covid-jab is dangerous potentially long term, see the credentials of the doctor who one I posted to many was even a Biden/Democrat fanatic who was going "Holy shit what are they thinking urging people to get this" and tried to urge people not to and yet people still ignored it.

I had sources of approximately 25 highly accredited doctors saying the vax was bad and people STILL chose to ignore it. That's not a random "internet anon" pushing that, it was literally majorly qualified and known doctors talking about it, that's without getting into the mask mandates and how worthless the masks were from doctors pointing it out as well.

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I'll use an easy example: My gay stalker (talked about him a little before) originally asked for evidence for why not to get the shot. I gave him all 25 doctors, and my personal source's statements on the matter.

He gave it to his family and none of them actually believed me including my stalker himself. That was until his 13 year old nephew got the shot and died from covid in the hospital right after getting it. (The kid apparently was in the hospital came down with covid after the shot for a week and expired shortly after) Then his family began listening to what I said.

That I'm ok with, a "fool" learned to listen or learned from their mistake, but had they actually looked at the evidence, the child could have been spared .

I merely expect those who made a mistake to acknowledge it and NOT repeat it. I don't hold those like this accoutable for my job loss, nor the sacrifices I made, but those who don't learn or concede making a big mistake I do hold with great disdain and hope they pay the consequences of their cowardice and inaction and stupidity. Those kind of people are a danger not only to their family and kids, but to EVERYONE at large, and that's merely my take.
 
The problem is the same people making those mistakes are making the same poor decisions that raise the costs of bills.
This has nothing to do with the point I made. Even if these are the same people who dig their own graves, this has nothing to do with them acting without accounting for your judgment on account of you not only being unwilling to help them out at all when they suffer for a cause you insisted they take up, but also on account of you (speaking generally, here, not you specifically) being the kind of asshole that'll wish death on them because they didn't comply.

In fact, if you want to preemptively write them off like that, then there's no point in talking about them at all, and there's no reason to start with blaming them specifically for not listening to you.

You're mistaken, there were plenty of highly accredited doctors who were literally writing pages of evidence of why not to take the vaccine.
And who was pushing them? Certainly not normie authorities.

Worse, they were still being pushed by internet anons (or "conservative" news networks) who would push anything that dissented from the social orthodoxy instead of attempting to vet their glut of papers/articles.

I had sources of approximately 25 highly accredited doctors saying the vax was bad and people STILL chose to ignore it. That's not a random "internet anon" pushing that, it was literally majorly qualified and known doctors talking about it, that's without getting into the mask mandates and how worthless the masks were from doctors pointing it out as well.
This is a very important question:

When you talk about the masks being worthless, are you talking about in the way that civilians used them during the mandates, or are you talking about their intrinsic value?

That was until his 13 year old nephew got the shot and died from covid in the hospital right after getting it. (The kid apparently was in the hospital came down with covid after the shot for a week and expired shortly after) Then his family began listening to what I said.

That I'm ok with, a "fool" learned to listen or learned from their mistake, but had they actually looked at the evidence, the child could have been spared .
This makes no sense, the way you're using it. The only thing this demonstrated was that the vaccine was ultimately ineffective (and that's without talking about when he got it versus when he got COVID and when he died), but you're trying to frame "getting COVID and dying from it" as the cause of "getting the vaccine".
 

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This has nothing to do with the point I made. Even if these are the same people who dig their own graves, this has nothing to do with them acting without accounting for your judgment on account of you not only being unwilling to help them out at all when they suffer for a cause you insisted they take up, but also on account of you (speaking generally, here, not you specifically) being the kind of asshole that'll wish death on them because they didn't comply.
They are digging everyone a grave with their actions. I have helped quite a few people and warned others over the years, I don't expect people to believe my personal source as it was an anonymous source, I do expect people to use some rational discernment on judgement on more reliable sources though.

In fact, if you want to preemptively write them off like that, then there's no point in talking about them at all, and there's no reason to start with blaming them specifically for not listening to you.

The problem is, this shit wasn't in a vacuum. Some of those doctors were ACTIVELY pushing their findings in normie spaces and trying to tell people and warn them as well. But most turned off their brains as soon as it wasn't a case of "TV man didn't say it." That's a dangerous precedent to function as a society or as a "responsible human being."


And who was pushing them? Certainly not normie authorities.

Worse, they were still being pushed by internet anons (or "conservative" news networks) who would push anything that dissented from the social orthodoxy instead of attempting to vet their glut of papers/articles.

Funny you say that because one part of the news segment ALSO pushed it, at the end of the news. Same as the threat from China, and more. They are still on TV, but because it's an ending news segment most people stop listening or change channel instead of listening, and that news segment had multiple doctors I think 5-6 that aren't even from my sources on talking about it and why it was rushed, and how it wasn't handled like other vaccines. That same segment currently on local news is also pushing proof of vote rigging in recent years from both sides of hte aisles what a surprise normies don't listen. Despite it being part of the main news segment.


This is a very important question:

When you talk about the masks being worthless, are you talking about in the way that civilians used them during the mandates, or are you talking about their intrinsic value?

One part being that most general masks were not the correct masks to stop partical transmission, one part being the sick should stay home as the particle transmission is still active and will likely cause it to spread despite wearing a mask, and that unless you were wearing certain specific masks they were about as useful as your underwear at stopping farts.

This makes no sense, the way you're using it. The only thing this demonstrated was that the vaccine was ultimately ineffective (and that's without talking about when he got it versus when he got COVID and when he died), but you're trying to frame "getting COVID and dying from it" as the cause of "getting the vaccine".
Considering the kid came down with Covid after the vaccine and none of the family had it and right after went to the hospital and was in a solo room for a week and died, yes, I'm going to assume the possibility that the Covid jab has a chance to give people live Covid and I believe that potentially killed the kid, I can't prove that's the case, merely a hunch, but even if that hunch is wrong, it doesn't change the kid was not protected and the "safety of the vaccine" to exposure is questionable at best and makes you just as likely at risk to die.

There's also the possibility the kid could have been immune and by getting the jab it made him more vulnerable which could have led to his death.

Either way it's likely the jab led to it in some form or fashion.

Edit: It was on Full Measures. That's the name of the segment:
 
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Quote glitch again.
Just highlight what you want to quote and click the "reply" button ("quote" button, to gather multiple quotes).

They are digging everyone a grave with their actions.
You've made a presumption that these people vote a specific way in order to disarm what's otherwise a correct point: that you can't expect people you do nothing for to care about your ideological problems when their concrete problems are on the line.
Furthermore, their sacrifice-through-resistance is useless without organization, so you're very much telling them to drown if they indeed have everything to lose if they're being given an offer they can't refuse from their employer. All this, in a country where there's barely any sense of real community to sacrifice for.

You can't even provide them with alternatives, or suggestions for weathering the storm they'll thereafter be embroiling themselves in-- just the satisfaction that they'll be on the right side of History.

Still, let's even go further with your presumption: according to you, they're the kind of people that wouldn't even need to be forced to get vaccinated. So they aren't validating any policy. Or has "the issue is that people are being forced to get vaxxed" become "the issue is people are getting vaxxed" right from under my nose?

(As an aside: I can't be the only one that's noticing how readily "people are taking an insufficiently tested vaccine that may have issues" and "people are caving to employment pressure to take this vaccine" mix together in this discussion...)

The problem is, this shit wasn't in a vacuum. Some of those doctors were ACTIVELY pushing their findings in normie spaces and trying to tell people and warn them as well.
What normie spaces were they even allowed to speak in, long term?

Funny you say that because one part of the news segment ALSO pushed it, at the end of the news. Same as the threat from China, and more. They are still on TV, but because it's an ending news segment most people stop listening or change channel instead of listening,
Then, they're not "pushing" it. That's practically reluctance, and you can't blame people for not watching the news the whole way through for something tucked in an unpopular timeslot.

Considering the kid came down with Covid after the vaccine andn one of the family had it and right after went to hte hospital and was in a solo room for a week and died, yes, I'm going to assume the possibility that the Covid jab has a chance to give people live Covid
That's not how mRNA vaccines conceivably work. You're saying that you have 25 doctors you learned from, but you're still making categorical errors about virology-- something that I explained undermines both the people who push dissenting information and the dissenting information itself.

In the States, nobody even bothered making a conventional COVID vaccine. The closest would have been J&J's viral vector vaccine only because it uses a container virus as the means of transmission, but putting aside that it was unpopular compared to Pfizer's mRNA vax, then de-emphasized, then being plainly unallowed? The genetic material put in the vector virus is only the part related to the spike protein. And even if you wanted to conjecture that they made a mistake and imported more genetic material than intended (at face value, that doesn't seem like nonsense to me), that child was in all likelihood given a Pfizer.

and I believe that potentially killed the kid,
Now it's "potentially"? You juxtaposed these two events in order to implicitly assert that he got COVID from the vaccine, and you would have left it at that if I didn't push it.

I can't prove that's the case, merely a haunch, but even if that hunch is wrong, it doesn't change the kid was not protected and the "safety of the vaccine" to exposure is questionable at best and makes you just as likely at risk to die.
Man, you of all people know how I feel about making generalizations from singular anecdotes. Also:

There's also the possibility the kid could have been immune and by getting the jab it made him more vulnerable which could have led to his death.

There's a fundamental difference between "this vaccine is functionally useless" and "this vaccine will give you COVID and you'll die". With all the known side effects that at least vaguely correspond to specific COVID symptoms, none of them are "being infected with COVID".

Now you're not even appealing to the doctors you were talking about earlier, you're not even trying to come up with a working mechanism for your "hunch", and you're even unaware that COVID vaccine guidelines always asserted that it would take 1-3 weeks (depending on the vaccine) from the completion of the administration course to become efficacious or "fully" efficacious (even assuming it worked) because of the time needed to proliferate antibodies using whatever received genetic information.
 
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ou've made a presumption that these people vote a specific way in order to disarm what's otherwise a correct point: that you can't expect people you do nothing for to care about your ideological problems when their concrete problems are on the line.
Furthermore, their sacrifice-through-resistance is useless without organization, so you're very much telling them to drown if they indeed have everything to lose if they're being given an offer they can't refuse from their employer. All this, in a country where there's barely any sense of real community to sacrifice for.

You can't even provide them with alternatives, or suggestions for weathering the storm they'll thereafter be embroiling themselves in-- just the satisfaction that they'll be on the right side of History.

Still, let's even go further with your presumption: according to you, they're the kind of people that wouldn't even need to be forced to get vaccinated. So they aren't validating any policy. Or has "the issue is that people are being forced to get vaxxed" become "the issue is people are getting vaxxed" right from under my nose?
Or they are unobservant to another solution and just aren't paying attention or causing more damage or don't know anythign and are human potatoes. The alternative is to stand up with others against it, one of the simplest solutions there was to fighting against such a notion which has been proposed and demonstrated to work over and over again, but this time it won't because TV man said so or something.
What normie spaces were they even allowed to speak in, long term?
Tons of blogs, and spaces, sure after a few months they rolled out the "fact checkers" but initially people just didn't listen. That's a problem of the unenlightened masses.
Then, they're not "pushing" it. That's practically reluctance, and you can't blame people for not watching the news the whole way through for something tucked in an unpopular timeslot.
Then they can't blame news for forming their opinions when a contradictory opinion is given. That pushes the blame on the person not the propaganda. "So you're telling me they formed their opinion on the news, despite the news offering two different opinions on the subject..."
That's not how mRNA vaccines conceivably work. You're saying that you have 25 doctors you learned from, but you're still making categorical errors about virology-- something that I explained undermines both the people who push dissenting information and the dissenting information itself.

In the States, nobody even bothered making a conventional COVID vaccine. The closest would have been J&J's viral vector vaccine, but putting aside that it was unpopular compared to Pfizer's mRNA vax, then de-emphasized, then being plainly unallowed? The genetic material put in the vector virus is only the part related to the spike protein. And even if you wanted to conjecture that they made a mistake and imported more genetic material than intended (at face value, that doesn't seem like nonsense to me), that child was in all likelihood given a Pfizer.
I'm not talking about the sources statements on the subject of the vaccine, I'm talking about my own suppositions in what happened. Funny enough some of the sources felt the J&J was possibly more safe from I think 3 of them initially which someo f my former posts I believed that to be the case since it was the only vaccine of the three major companies was mentioned early on at all. That was until later it was found to have major risks.
Now it's "potentially"? You juxtaposed these two events in order to implicitly assert that he got COVID from the vaccine, and you would have left it at that if I didn't push it.
I'm talking about my own surmisal of the events. This was during the time when schools were closed, my friends family was not going out and about, without PLig their entire specifics, their nephew ended up with Covid yet no one else did in the family at that time, assuming what they said was true and he got the Covid vaccine and came down sick, the lines of deduction come down too:

A ) The nurses/doctor gave it to him. But then why didn't they have the vaccine, and if they did why did they spread it to him.

B) The vaccine itself gave a live and functional virus to the newphew leading to his death in a solo bed room. Which hunch wise led to his death. Considering I know people who came down with weakened immune systems after getting the virus this is not a stretch by any part of the imagination.

I can only surmise I believe B to be more likely, A could be possible but I wasn't literally there to diagnose the kid nor was I there making sure no one got near him with covid. Assuming everything they said was correct and truthful.


Man, you of all people know how I feel about making generalizations from singular anecdotes.
Generalizations aren't entirely wrong, how you feel about them doesn't change the gravity or reality of that truth.
There's a fundamental difference between "this vaccine is functionally useless" and "this vaccine will give you COVID and you'll die". These aren't equivalent statements. These don't exist on a spectrum. With all the known side effects that at least vaguely correspond to specific COVID symptoms, none of them are literally being infected with COVID.

Now you're not even appealing to the doctors you were talking about earlier, you're not even trying to come up with a working mechanism for your "hunch", and you're even unaware that COVID vaccine guidelines always asserted that it would take 1-3 weeks (depending on the vaccine) from the completion of the administration course to become efficacious or "fully" efficacious (even assuming it worked) because of the time needed to proliferate antibodies using whatever received genetic information.
I didn't say it will give you covid and you'll die, merely it's of my belief it could give a live version of the virus, which based on other incidents of people I know who did come down with Covid after the vaccine, and some had an immune system destabalization I can only assume other people were susceptible to similar outcomes. (Pattern logics) Which is unrelated to the doctors sources.
 
At any rate, my point stands. You've given them no reason to listen to, care about, or sacrifice for you despite their own base and concrete concerns. Their sacrifice-through-resistance is useless without organization, so you're very much telling them to drown if they indeed have everything to lose if they're being given an offer they can't refuse from their employer. All this, in a country where there's barely any sense of real community to sacrifice for.
This isn't a bargaining table. Before, we all had the Nuremberg Code, and then oppressors violated it repeatedly and some people went along with the oppressor, and are therefore traitors. You're framing this as a tit for tat exchange, and that were hypocrites for not "helping them resist" somehow, when the point is as close to everyone as possible has to say no and pay some personal cost, because the rights are that important. Those of us who didn't pussy out are right to judge and condemn those who did, the jab-traitors.

You're an idiot desperate for a gotcha to make the "sides" equal, when your side violated the Nuremberg Code. Earlier you were so desperate you argued mask efficacy, just so you could score a point, when again all mandates including for masks came from *your side.* You collaborated with the nazis of our age, traitor, and you're so stupid you drank poison because they told you to.
That's not how mRNA vaccines conceivably work. You're saying that you have 25 doctors you learned from, but you're still making categorical errors about virology-- something that I explained undermines both the people who push dissenting information and the dissenting information itself.

In the States, nobody even bothered making a conventional COVID vaccine. The closest would have been J&J's viral vector vaccine, but putting aside that it was unpopular compared to Pfizer's mRNA vax, then de-emphasized, then being plainly unallowed? The genetic material put in the vector virus is only the part related to the spike protein. And even if you wanted to conjecture that they made a mistake and imported more genetic material than intended (at face value, that doesn't seem like nonsense to me), that child was in all likelihood given a Pfizer.
MRNA gene therapies aren't vaccines, you retard. They don't confer immunity, so it is wrong to accept an expanded definition of vaccine to include mRNA gene therapies.

And you just demonstrated how you're subhuman and unreachable. How? Because you're harassing purebloods about masks and mRNA when we're rightly complaining about Nuremberg violations in government and throughout society. It doesn't matter if the jab was good medicine or not; it shouldn't have been mandated at all. You're subhuman and unreachable because you cannot let go of the lies and say you're wrong. No one who survived the mandate wants to hear your bullshit about mRNA. No one wants to hear a cowardly retard who drank poison say "you're still making categorical errors about virology". No one wants to hear a traitor talk down to them about the oppression they just went through.

Own your complicity, traitor. Its the only way we can move forward as a society. Admit every wrong; you don't get to shelter any fictions like mRNA is safe and effective. You were wrong about all that, wrong about everything, traitor.
 
I'm not talking about myself, and I never gave anybody grief for not taking the vaccine-- talk less here.
You should take your own advice. This whole thread is you talking way more than you should. You claim you never gave anybody grief for not taking the vaccine, but the very thing I quoted was you being dismissive of the people for not taking the vaccine for basically "Not believing the experts" so forgive me if I don't take you at your word.

Are you so wound up that anybody that doesn't drone with you is an absolute "them"?
No, only insufferable high and mighty assholes that continue to write novels to try and justify their shitty attitudes and actions and convince themselves they're still superior to the group the media told them to vilify and mock.

We're done trying to co exist with the people who, at best, didn't give two shits what happened to us and at worst did and probably still continue to think we deserve the worst. Deal with it.
 
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You should take your own advice.
"Talk less here" as in, "I didn't talk down to people who didn't take the vaccine, and I certainly didn't do it here".

Up to how many people is it, at this point, that are striving for any reason to call me a hypocrite? And specifically that? Even when it doesn't make sense?

"Talk less here... but talk more somewhere else!" Wouldn't it be more likely that I tell you to "piss off" if I wanted to tell you to stop talking? Would I even have anything more to say after telling you that? I doubt it, but were you thrown off by the lack of "of", or something?

You claim you never gave anybody grief for not taking the vaccine, but the very thing I quoted was you being dismissive of the people for not taking the vaccine for basically "Not believing the experts"
"Basically" must be a wonderful word for you. You're using it to lie blatantly and make up the difference between your delusion and reality.

It's not just that you don't agree with me-- somehow, because you count me among the "them", you need to convert me into one of your mob villains that says the hackneyed "trust the experts" crap.

The good part about you shitting the bed this badly is nobody even needs to go to any previous page to see what I actually argued: many of the dissenters here were dispositionally no better than the fanatics on the other "side".

Many were uncritically thinking and desperately wanted to believe that a sudden death-- or even a not sudden death-- was caused by the vaccine. They wanted to cutely insinuate that any health event that came to their intention was the vaccine, sometimes in spite of the facts on the ground. They wanted to believe that trends stretching decades, or trends that were constant before and after the vaccine introduction, were caused by the vaccine. And so while there were those who brought up-- at the very least-- studies and articles reporting dissenting views that were reputable on their faces, many others brought up even more articles that were obviously made to put dinner on the table. The exact same as what you criticize for happening on the side of the social orthodoxy.

This isn't new behavior: it was also done in the aftermath of the 2020 elections. I can expect that from a forum renowned for its regulars often not reading past the headline-- and sometimes not even reading that. It's not even endemic to A&N, or "the right"-- it's the product of simple bias.

The bottom line was that 1) it doesn't solely matter that you collated reading material when both sides were doing it, and 2) when it wasn't just dissenters curating papers in service of their point, it was necessary to care about accuracy and credibility far more than the dopamine hit of being validated-- yet that was a constant pitfall here and elsewhere. Yet, here, it was so bad that-- just to reiterate-- people literally and unambiguously called SARS-CoV-2 an influenza virus and asserted it was no more dangerous than the flu even when it was obviously (and presumably, given its novelty and the prominence of immediately well known risk factors in the U.S.) more dangerous than the flu.

You read "you suck for not Trusting The Experts and getting the jab" because you're the exact kind of person that undermines the reputation of COVID dissent. You think membership in the "right side of History" is enough, so it doesn't matter how little you understand (as opposed to how much you know of) or how disingenuous you are.

The alternative is to stand up with others against it
Stand up with which others? Where? How many people were rushing to get vaccinated well before there was any mandate for it?

I can't tell if you're optimistic that there were, after years of waiting for a vaccine that was advertised as the ticket to normality normalcy, enough people that cared about not getting the vaccine in any continguous area (where there was any threat of enforced mandates) and in any distribution to resist conformity pressure... or if you're of the same mind as anybody else here that insisted that others blindly sacrifice everything the sake of their ("anybody else here") ideals lest they be subjected to patriot LARPing on a website with no current functional clearnet access.

Tons of blogs, and spaces,
Do you have any idea how mealy-mouthed this is as an answer? "They could have went to tons of blogs!" No shit-- they could have just serendipitously stumbled across any of the blogs you deliberately looked for and were recommended. But then, these obviously aren't "normie spaces". Not only would there need to be effort to find the places you're presumably alluding to, and not only would there need to be a relative idea of where to look, there'd need to be a cause.

How badly calibrated is your theory of mind, right now? Can't be that badly, since you didn't bother to give a relative location as an answer to the question.

Then they can't blame news for forming their opinions when a contradictory opinion is given. That pushes the blame on the person not the propaganda. "So you're telling me they formed their opinion on the news, despite the news offering two different opinions on the subject..."
How will they know to watch to whatever butt-end timeslot they deliberately host this segment in, in the first place? The people running the stations know their viewership fluctuations, and they made that decision while having a decent idea of the end result.

I'm not talking about the sources statements on the subject of the vaccine, I'm talking about my own suppositions in what happened.
If you have relevant information, your suppositions should be premised on and shaped by them. What the hell is the point, otherwise? Especially when you say nonsense like "the vaccine that couldn't conceivably have live virions probably gave the kid full on COVID!" Speaking of,

I'm talking about my own surmisal of the events. This was during the time when schools were closed, my friends family was not going out and about, without PLig their entire specifics, their nephew ended up with Covid yet no one else did in the family at that time, assuming what they said was true and he got the Covid vaccine and came down sick, the lines of deduction come down too:

A ) The nurses/doctor gave it to him. But then why didn't they have the vaccine, and if they did why did they spread it to him.

B) The vaccine itself gave a live and functional virus to the newphew leading to his death in a solo bed room. Which hunch wise led to his death. Considering I know people who came down with weakened immune systems after getting the virus this is not a stretch by any part of the imagination.

I can only surmise I believe B to be more likely, A could be possible but I wasn't literally there to diagnose the kid nor was I there making sure no one got near him with covid. Assuming everything they said was correct and truthful.
...this is the kind of bullshit that makes me doubt that your sources even exist, talk less of whether they're reputable. It's so bewildering how you somehow defaulted to B, of all things.

Presumably, you didn't think the vaccine was effective-- in which case, why wouldn't you get a "hunch" that those that attended to him inadvertently spread it to him? Even initially, it was observed (or perhaps only asserted) of the vaccine that it blunted symptoms but didn't stop spread, something that was extensively heckled for being the case-- why didn't you get a "hunch" that those attended to him inadvertently spread the virus that way? That there was a lapse in sanitation procedure for those that attended to him?

But no-- the most convincing idea for you (because... "pattern recognition"...?) is that he got COVID from a vaccine with no live COVID virions, and with no means to make the body generate live COVID virions.

Why didn't you consult your sources to attempt to divine if this was even vaguely possible?

What are your sources even for?

Generalizations aren't entirely wrong
Damn it, I thought you would know how I feel about making generalizations from singular anecdotes, given how many times I've questioned or otherwise lamented the seeming frequency of American women doing so (though, given this thread, I may have just been unfair to them).

I didn't say it will give you covid and you'll die
No, you just said that you think the COVID vaccine the kid got gave him COVID, which he died from.

Indeed, I should be precise about what you said, but that aside... what you asserted isn't any better.
 
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