80s cartoons were peak

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Why Are Eighties Cartoons Peak?

Because I say so, and if you ever disagree it means that you are wrong! ;)

Okay, I do have less vacuous reasons.

Like the art, for example.

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Pictured: Which show would you rather watch?

Not to mention the artistic variety. In the eighties you could tell at a glance if a cartoon was Filmation, Hanna-Barbera, Ruby-Spears, DIC, Rankin-Bass.... not like today where everything is either "try to be anime" or "try to be Steven Universe."

Or how about the soundtracks?

Once again, I only have to let the things speak for themselves.

Cuz every day you're reaching towards the light...

High adventure that's beyond compare...

In every wish and dream and happy home....

And if you can dream, just send a wish out in the dark!

But the discussion does not come down exclusively to theme songs. The BGM is just as important and Eighties cartoons were great at playing the right music at the right time to give sequences the right amount of "oomph."

One amusing thing I found while looking up clips to prove my point was this fan edit of the 2021 He-Man's transformation scene, but with the 1983 music added back in. Now, to be honest I actually thought the normal version of this scene worked fine, but it's amazing how just having better music makes it immediately better.

They were also before certain foul trends caught on. The moment I stopped liking American cartoons was when they started having lots of gross-out humor, which started in the 1990s.

And of course, we live in Current Year and what that means for "children's media."

...............

But I'm going to make some possibly controversial statements.

There's a lot they did I wish would come back.

I actually liked those PSA things that some shows would have at the end of episodes. A lot of times when I hear people bitch about these, it comes off like the bitchers have issues. What's wrong with trying to give some brain value to your entertainment? Especially for kids. Heck I know adults who still use that GI Joe "stop a nosebleed" technique.

And I find the writing was just more intelligent and imaginative than most things today. A part of that is likely because the Eighties was when creators still drew from the past, whereas now most creators are ignorant fucks who basically are re-learning the lessons of our ancestors. So for example we used to have writers who clearly had read the work of previous-era giants like Robert E. Howard and were building on it. These days, you would never get anything like that one Dungeons & Dragons episode with that treasure box that led to another dimension, or the Real Ghostbusters' weird portrayal of the Boogeyman's world.

This is something that frustrates me when I talk to younger creative types. A lot of them are uninterested in anything from before their time, like they think there's nothing to be gained from it. But you didn't see the writers of these cartoons saying "I'm too good for Tolkien." And it reflects in the writing: nowadays "creativity" means "we read a TV Tropes article and decided to comment on something we've heard always happens but without understanding why it happens."

Even the jank parts can be fun. You can talk all day about Transformers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' litany of animation errors... please do. I love those things.

The worst you can ever say about an eighties cartoon is that one is "mid." I've never seen one I found absolutely unwatchable or unbearable the way I often do with stuff nowadays?

........

Also, I was deliberately avoiding mentioning anime in this post (because it always annoys me when I see a "best cartoons of the eighties" list and then half of it is Gundam or some other show that didn't come to my neck of the woods until Toonami, plus weebs are everywhere and will dominate any animation discussion if given a chance), but one thing that's always impressed me was how both Voltron and Robotech kept a lot of the darker aspects of their source. Like, yeah, they toned down the gore and eliminated any nudity, but... a major character in Robotech still kicks the bucket. (Heck, Robotech actually kills off characters who lived in the Japanese version).

No "they got sent to another dimension," no 4Kids antics.... we got a pretty fair and faithful showing of the stories. And in fact I've met people who consider those shows better than the source material.

What about the 90s?

This post has run long so I'll make this quick:

I've stopped seeing the 90s as a competitor to the 80s, and now see it as more of an expansion pack. You can't really enjoy one without having some respect for the other. That's about like saying you like Opposing Force but hate Half-Life. My only big issue with 1990s cartoons is that towards the end of the decade, the rot was setting in... and also the fans of this decade are kinda pretentious. But we can discuss more in follow-up posts.
 
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Fuck man when I was a kid in the 80s I got a set of three Mask coloring books and it was the greatest thing ever despite kid me not even really knowing what direction up was. They were all different sizes with a tiny little yellow one with about five pages a medium normal one that I think had a grey cover and a fuckoff huge one with I think a red cover. It was just coloring books but somehow still great.

Mask was a shitty cheap ripoff of Transformers but their toys were actually a bit better than anything else and did shit like shoot plastic rockets with cool cars with gullwing doors that actually worked and shit like that.

Anyway it's all gone now and all that's left is people who never lived it insisting that it was shit and that every generation is equally valid. Fuck off kid how do I open pdf.
 
Survivorship bias. You have a handful of good cartoons like Thundercats and tons of mediocre ones that only existed to sell merchandise.
And yet even the mediocre ones were still kinda interesting, if nothing else just because the ideas could be kinda bizarre.

Like just last night I saw one I had never heard of, about some little girls who power machines with energy from good dreams... which they also cause to happen? And their enemy is a witch described as living "below, but still above Earth."

It was called Moondreamers. It was legit one of the lower-end shows from the eighties I've seen, and yet if I was on a desert island and it was a choice between it and Legend of Korra, I'd take Moondreamers.

80s cartoons were just toy ads
I've never understood this criticism, though the angle of considering the 60s/70s better is at least unique... and has merit.

Mask was a shitty cheap ripoff of Transformers
I'd call it more like "its GI Joe if they rode the Transformers."

Yeah admittedly me calling 90s animation fans "pretentious" kinda came out of nowhere.

Basically, I often hear this revisionist history that "nobody liked animation until the 90s came and suddenly we were able to take it seriously again." But this does not hold up if you talk to people offline--it tends to be a myth believed only by extreme nerd circles it seems.

It doesn't seem to be true from a business viewpoint either--I remember growing up, every major network had cartoons weekdays (both morning and afternoon), Saturdays, and Sundays. By the end of the 90s though, it was down to just weekend mornings, and then only Fox Box and Kids WB... and half of both was dubbed anime. Other than that, you had to get cable or satellite and watch channels like Cartoon Network.

Which, it seems odd to say "Oh, this artistic medium is better than ever!" then also say "but very few places sell it." That seems to indicate that the medium isn't doing too well.

I've never understood why being based on a toy is inherently a bad thing, anyway. I mean I know the argument in theory, but that "theory" tends to be just an assumption nerds made up.... and we've all been online long enough to know nerds basically don't know what they're talking about. (First person to say "irony intensifies" has to listen to a lecture on mathematics delivered by Skeletor). I've read and watched a lot of the production histories of a lot of shows and the common fan assumption of "they were completely under the thumb of the toy company" is often at best a half-truth and at worst completely false. I can even name at least three cases (She-Ra, Bravestarr, and Inspector Gadget) where people often assume the idea originated with the toy manufacturer but actually it originated from the cartoon company.

I mean keep in mind, nerds said the exact same thing about comic books in the 1990s (that they were "the medium finally growing up" after years of being "kiddy garbage"), and nowadays most 90s comics are considered trash.

Every 80's cartoon meant another japanese animator not making anime

You say that, but there's been at least one studio that admitted the money they got from American studios actually funded anime projects.

I forget what Youtube video I learned this from, but apparently the anime Saint Seiya would never have happened if Toei hadn't had money left over from making Transformers: the Movie.
 
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Mask was a shitty cheap ripoff of Transformers but their toys were actually a bit better than anything else and did shit like shoot plastic rockets with cool cars with gullwing doors that actually worked and shit like that.
They had motherfucking HELMETS! Like full badass removable diver helmets, not those shitty GI Joe kevlars! At least that's what the commercials led me to believe. Unfortunately, my disadvantaged ass never got one so I'll never know. That's true childhood trauma.
 
Because I say so, and if you ever disagree it means that you are wrong!
Buddy Bears?

60s/70s cartoons were better.
The animated series of Star Trek had disco-y or very '70s music. Not saying that's bad here.

I preferred Silverhawks; it had a better aesthetic.
Remember those viewer things that worked with those wheels or disks with tiny pictures? I think I saw a wheel with a Silverhawks pic.
 
That's just nostalgia on your part, 80's cartoons were almost all just low quality toy commercials. The weird interesting stuff only came around in the early 90's and basically stopped after season 3 of Spongebob (around 2002/3). There seems to have been a complete drought of high quality western animation outside of Disney and Warner Bros. from about the 60's to the 90's.
 
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