2D (drawn) porn is more respectable than 3d (real) porn

[Incel King]

If your main argument is about effort, then by that logic

If you look at my OP post, my argument is regarding both skill and effort.
Sure porn studios might have a small group of people producing the porn, (its still nothing compared to movies though) but the skill required is not that high. Video editing, recording, setting up good lighting etc doesn't really take skill, necessarily, just knowledge.
Compare that to an actual hentai video or animation. It also requires plenty of people / animators to create, voice actors as well. In the past there were entire studios producing this stuff. But the skill requirement is also higher. And the man hours are likely higher too, considering that animation takes a long time.
Hentai manga sometimes also involves multiple people.
Eitherway, the studio produced porn is in the minority. Most porn is amateur stuff. So whether you compare the average works, or the highest tier works, 2D porn comes out on top in terms of the amount of effort and skill required to create it.

 

[Syzyg]

doesn't really take skill, necessarily, just knowledge

That's semantics. Skill and knowledge are synonyms in this context. Also, the skills of hentai-makers aren't transferable to porn productions.

In the past there were entire studios producing this stuff. But the skill requirement is also higher. And the man hours are likely higher too, considering that animation takes a long time.

It would be interesting to know the amount of people who died from karoshi due to unrealistic deadlines in the hentai industry.

Most porn is amateur stuff. So whether you compare the average works, or the highest tier works, 2D porn comes out on top in terms of the amount of effort and skill required to create it.

Most hentai is also amateur stuff, I assume, unless you don't count the commission artists. Your definition of skill and effort are subjective. One counter-example to your argument that hentai takes more effort than porn production, would be porn parodies which make their own costumes of the characters they portray. Costume design would obviously take up more time than animation (even if the animation was outsourced to a sweatshop with an unreasonable deadline).

I wonder if you hold a similar opinion to JAV porn considering some of them use hentais as their premises. Do you think hentai is more respectable than JAV porn, even if they deal with the same subject matter? And what do you count as amateur in terms of porn? Is a commission artist an amateur in making hentai, or are they a professional because they are making money from it?

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

can you show me examples of this so called bullying?
I mean what can you do at the end of the day?
Call me an incel? I already call myself that.

Look up the Watchmen saga of Christory to see how bad it can get. Or the @GethN7 debacle. Or the gay ops that the sharty does, which mostly begin here

If i show average people a normal porn video, and then show them a well drawn, artistic picture of a nude woman (not the futa shit because obviously thats more of a fetish that i have), then they will most likely agree with me that the drawing/picture took more effort to create, and that the skill of the artist is more worthy of respect than the woman simply recording herself.

No, they will call you a deviant and threaten you with a restraining order, because no normal adult IRL is down to participate in this shit. And you are also making a false equivalency, because you are not defending the value of artistic nudity in as opposed to pornography, you are coping about your drawn pornography being high art while at the same time saying that the IRL doesn't have artistic value, talk of cognitive dissonance

If they don't agree then they would simply be illogical.
Drawing a picture factually requires more effort than just recording yourself.

Yeah, and that's why amateur movies are always regarded as terrible pieces of media without exceptions, fucking retard

Art, the way the term is actually used in human language, means a human creative work of some sort. Drawings, music, stories, movies, etc are all art, even if they don't have an "value". Also, value is a subjective thing.

No, you are talking about a creative work, but not all creative works are art. A Funko Pop is a creative work, it is not art and will never be, strapping a banana to a wall is a creative work, it is not art.

Nope, drawings require intelligence and skill.
Shaking your ass on tiktok though requires neither.

That's 1. Not pornography 2. Another false equivalency, as even animals have been found to be capable of drawing rudimentary images

Snapping a picture of yourself using your phone takes such a minimal amount of effort, and skill, that i don't value it.
Its nothing compared to the difficulty of actually drawing a picture. Especially a good picture.

Once again, you are doing a false equivalency, you are ignoring things like composition, contrast, image focus, filters/image tone, etc, all things that are vital when taking a picture, and comoaring it to your idealized and subjective measurement of "a drawing"

The vast majority of porn is low effort, and even the professionally filmed stuff does not take as much skill to create as a drawing of equivalent quality. At the end of the day, using a camera to do things for you is not going to be as skill intensive as drawing.

Fucking hipster, literally straight out of the 1830s. If you want to say that the entire field of photography has inherently less value than painting, it is because you wouldn't be able to recognize what art is even if it hit you Ronnie McNutt style

Also, i personally don't consider photography to be art, (and most people probably don't) but that is not even relevant to this discussion. Drawing will always take more skill than photography when it comes to porn.

What do you know about art? Who are you to talk about how a medium is inherently unartistic? How many people do you know to make such a claim? Nothing, nobody, and no one, that's the answer to all three. You are trying to make it so that your nebulous concept of "skill" somehow makes or breaks "art", this is literally marxist theory applied to the least quantifiable field

Futas are basically hermaphrodites. Women that naturally have dicks.

You don't know what an hermaphrodite is, because if you knew you would know that they don't have two pairs of functional sex organs in any capacity, you have a regular man/woman and a vestigial and useless adition, nothing more. Just say that you are a faggot and stop being in denial, I know that's extremely shameful and regrettable, but yoi have to acknowledge your problems before trying to solve them

 

[Vect]

Im a virgin, friend.

Okay, then this entire discussion, this thread and everything. is really not important, because that is the problem. Porn, 2D, 3D, hand-drawn, AI, real or made with fucking sock puppets is not a replacement for real human contact. Sitting there, arguing with people about the virtue of sexy cartoons is mental illness. Please, for your own sake, get on that right now.

 

[Not a bee]

Please, for your own sake, get on that right now.

You can't save someone that is already too far gone.

 

[Incel King]

Skill and knowledge are synonyms in this context.

No they're not, lmao. Skill is different from knowledge. It can take a long time to learn to be a good artist. But anyone can set up cameras and stuff with the right knowledge.

Costume design would obviously take up more time than animation

I require proof. It really depends on the type of costume. Alot of these costumes can also be bought premade.

And what do you count as amateur in terms of porn?

When i said amateur porn, i was talking about porn that is made by a single person or couple just by using a camera.
I wouldn't use the term amateur to describe alot of hentai, because the skill level required is alot higher. One of the meanings of ameteur is basically people that are inexperienced or unskilled. But alot of hentai is created by people that are very experienced when it comes to art.

All in all, if you look at the AVERAGE skill required to create hentai / drawn porn, vs the average skill required to create normal porn, its obvious that hentai generally requires more skill.

 

[Incel King]

No, they will call you a deviant and threaten you with a restraining order, because no normal adult IRL is down to participate in this shit.

Well obviously i would get consent first, if we are talking about doing a study / survey. Alot of normal adults have watched porn at least a few times before.

you are not defending the value of artistic nudity in as opposed to pornography

I am saying that drawn pornography is better than normal porn. And obviously artistic nudity is the highest / best example of drawn porn.
There's no cognitive dissonance, im just proposing a scenario where we show people the best examples of both mediums.

A Funko Pop is a creative work

Funko pops are not really creative. They are mass produced through machines, which makes them not art imo. My definition of art is that it has to be a HUMAN creative work. Another reason they are not considered to be art is because they are perceived to be toys. But besides toys, all hand made creative works are considered to be art.
>banana
no one considers a banana taped to a wall to be creative. Most people wouldn't call it art. But pretty much everyone refers to drawings as art, which is my point.

as even animals have been found to be capable of drawing rudimentary images

rudimentary images that are nowhere near the level of what humans can create, which is why i say that proper drawings, especially good ones, do require intelligence and skill. I highly doubt that these animal made images even resemble anything.

Once again, you are doing a false equivalency, you are ignoring things like composition, contrast, image focus, filters/image tone, etc, all things that are vital when taking a picture

Most e-thots are not thinking about those things when they film themselves, they are just using their iphone, which produces a good enough image on its own. Alot of those settings can also be automatic on modern smart phones.

If you want to say that the entire field of photography

Photography can have value, but it is not creative in nature. You are using a camera, a machine, to do the work.

What do you know about art? Who are you to talk about how a medium is inherently unartistic?

All i know that is drawing generally takes more skill than an ethot taking a pic of herself.
I am not talking about the entire medium of photography here, i am talking about filmed porn.
And some fields of art just require more skill and effort than others.
Drawing simply takes more time, and more effort, on the higher end of things, compared to simply taking a photograph.
If you look at famous painters from the past, it took them months or even years to create their famous works.
A camera at best will take a few hours to set up on the higher end of things, and the photograph is taken instantly when you press the button. What is required primarily is knowledge and expertise, not skill.
I call photography unartistic because it doesn't fit my personal definition of art.
But that doesn't even matter. My main claim is that drawn porn, on average, requires more effort and skill than normal porn. Which is a fact.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Wow. An excuse to post this. All lines up now.

You won't understand you monolingual beta cuck.

Also, 1D line porn is better than 2D and 3D porn. Because you can't see it.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

And obviously artistic nudity is the highest / best example of drawn porn.

Retard. You don't even even know what the word "porn" means, how do you even pretend to try and discuss which one is better if you can't mentally separate a work like Michelangelo's David from your loli hentai.

But besides toys, all hand made creative works are considered to be art.

Why? Why is a toy automaticlly barred from being art? Is a lego sculpture no longer art because it was made using a toy?

Is this no longer a piece of pre-columbian mayan art because it is a toy?

Photography can have value, but it is not creative in nature. You are using a camera, a machine, to do the work

I guess the camera puts itself in the desired place to take the shot, chooses the moment to take the shot by itself, color corrects itself, edits itself, reshoots whatever many times needed by itself, and does all other things by itself. I really can't comprehend how the same guy that says that drawing pornography on a tablet with 50 thousend different image editing programs put in place is art can also say that a guy travelling to the other side of the world to take the photo of something like, let's say, an erupting volcano, is not art.

If you look at famous painters from the past, it took them months or even years to create their famous works.

Those painters used actual paint, on actual canvases and walls, paint that needed actual time to dry, actual time to be corrected, actual time completed, using actual materials that had an actual toll om the artist's/patron's pockets. You here are defending people that use a machine, a phone, a tablet, a compute or whatever, to make their drawings, and who will never be able in one thousend years to make a good drawing in real life with their current skills, while mocking people that use a camera for depending on a machine

But that doesn't even matter. My main claim is that drawn porn, on average, requires more effort and skill than normal porn. Which is a fact.

It doesn't, because to make normal porn you require at least two people, which already makes it so that it takes more effort than one guy drawing lines on his tablet. And what even is the average drawn porn? Using pre-existing characters or the most generic designs in existance and the putting erogenous zones so disproportioned and unrealistic that they would give biological anthropoligist a seizure? Because that, my man, is neither skill nor effort

 

[74164978231]

Ive always thought of r34 as less degenerate for the simple fact it doesnt involve a bunch of smallhats tricking women into destroying their lives in the most grotesque ways possible.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Ive always thought of r34 as less degenerate for the simple fact it doesnt involve a bunch of smallhats tricking women into destroying their lives in the most grotesque ways possible.

As if the smallhats don't own drawn pornography too

 

[The Tall Man]

We are mostly discussing the respectability of jerking of to 2d vs 3d porn, not actual financial support
But really you are just proving my point lol
Although drawn pornography can also have child porn

Is it drawn by a dude?
That would mean you are jerking off to the mind of a dude, seems kinda gay.

Imagine George R. R. Martin whispering steamy stories he just came up with into your ears and you coom to that.

 

[raspberry mocha]

2D porn is worse than 3dpd because it often lures in children given the nature of its content and keeps them in arrested development because they saw some tranime dickgirl online when they were 10.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

2D porn is worse than 3dpd because it often lures in children given the nature of its content and keeps them in arrested development because they saw some tranime dickgirl online when they were 10.

@shortfatotaku can confirm

 

[Syzyg]

Is it really better though? Let me give you some hypotheticals. If all hentai was anthropomorphic (furry) would it still be better than 3D? What about if it were vore? Guro?

If all hentai was one specific fetish content, would it still be better (in your defined terms of skill) than the average porn?

Spoiler: Shitpost/schizopost warning

Oh shit, this is an intelligent design argument, isn't it? The artist labors to transform what was formerly his imagination into a series of nudes and text to accompany it (hentai). But a man can pay a prostitute to let him record them having sex, which although is technically labor (oldest profession, etc.), isn't as divorced and creative as the artist's process of making his hentai.

In a world where gott ist tot and we have killed him, as fleshbags who happen to have consciousness, the highest form of lewds would be those we transform into fantastical ideals ala Galataea, not mere representations of sex in reality, acted or otherwise.

In fact, that's what makes hentai so much better than porn. Artists can trawl the depths of eros, beyond the abyss, and write sigils of nth dimensional entities to summon for the sake of energy harvesting.

 

[74164978231]

As if the smallhats don't own drawn pornography too

Shad is jewish?

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Shad is jewish?

He surely acts like one. Also, what the hell man!? If that's your go to for an example of a guy that draws porn, then I'm surprised that you didn't end up halal'd within a week

 

[Incel King]

Retard. You don't even even know what the word "porn" means, how do you even pretend to try and discuss which one is better if you can't mentally separate a work like Michelangelo's David from your loli hentai.

I know, its material created for the sake of titilation. But there's no reason porn can't be art as well, especially drawn pornography
And also, im not comparing famous paintings to hentai, im saying that hentai takes more skill than pressing a button on your phone.

Is this no longer a piece of pre-columbian mayan art because it is a toy?

It is in this case because it is handmade rather than mass produced.
Modern toys are not art because the are mass produced by machines.
Which is why i don't really consider pictures to be art either, since they are created by machines.

a guy travelling to the other side of the world to take the photo of something like, let's say, an erupting volcano, is not art.

Its capturing the beauty of the real world via a machine. Operating that machine takes effort and skill, but its not art in my opinion.
Still, whether or not photography is art is irrelevant to this discussion.

You here are defending people that use a machine, a phone, a tablet, a compute or whatever, to make their drawings

The machine still doesn't do most of the work. Most of the work is done by the artist, the machine is just a tool, a high tech canvas.
It makes the artist's life more convenient, but drawing on a tablet still requires skill and practice, much more so than the average ethot recording herself. All that involves is pressing a button.
I am not even talking about professional photography here, i am talking about the average filmed pornographic material vs the average drawn porn. Its obvious that drawing takes more skill.

and who will never be able in one thousend years to make a good drawing in real life with their current skills

what nonsense, many artists practice on pen and paper. Or other traditional methods. Using a tablet doesn't mean that they are incapable of drawing on paper. Alot of artists start their practice on paper.
On the other hand, the average ethot will never be able to actually create something with her hands that is as beautiful as what the average porn artist can.

because to make normal porn you require at least two people, which already makes it so that it takes more effort than one guy drawing lines on his tablet

Two people involved in an activity does not automatically make the activity high effort. Porn doesn't even need two people, ethots often record themselves.
And yes, even the average hentai takes more effort than just snapping a picture of yourself or hitting record on your phone. Drawing lines in a skillful way such that they resemble even unrealistic anime characters takes more effort than just pressing a single button. It takes more time, more effort.

Because that, my man, is neither skill nor effort

the average hentai does take more effort than just pressing a single button.

2D porn is worse than 3dpd because it often lures in children given the nature of its content and keeps them in arrested development because they saw some tranime dickgirl online when they were 10.

Same shit can happen with 3d porn.
Infact 3d porn is more prevalent on social media and the internet. You have a shit ton of ethots online like on twitch or social media posting lewd content.