2022 Energy Crisis Megathread

Maurice Caine

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I'm creating this thread mainly to discuss the energy shitshow that's going on in the entire world (mostly europe, really) due to the Ukraine war.


In the European energy crisis, all of the attention is focused on Germany and gas from Russia. But France and its fleet of struggling nuclear reactors are at least as important. Indeed, the first European city to suffer a blackout as temperatures drop toward the end of the year may well be Paris rather than Berlin.

As winter approaches, the outlook in France is increasingly dire. Electricite de France SA, the state-owned utility, is running only 26 of its 57 reactors, with more than half of its chain undergoing emergency maintenance after the discovery of cracked pipes. With atomic reactors generating the lowest share of the country’s power in 30 years, France faces an electricity ‘Waterloo.’

The slump in nuclear availability is forcing France to rely more than ever on gas-fired plants, intermittent wind and hydro as well as imports. That’s pushing up the cost of electricity in the wholesale market for the whole of Europe, with French forward prices surging to almost 1,000% more than their decade-long average through 2020.

Electric Shock​

The benchmark French 1-year forward baseload power contract has surged to an all-time high, trading nearly 1,000% above its 2010-2020 average

In the middle of the summer, when French electricity demand hovers around 45 gigawatts per hour, that’s not an insurmountable problem. But on a cold winter evening, when French households can push consumption above 80 or 90 gigawatts, it could be catastrophically expensive. Although the French economy is smaller than Germany’s, Gallic power demand surges well above that of its neighbor during the winter as households there rely more on electricity for heating and hot water.

While EDF has promised that at least some of its reactors will be back online in time for the colder months, the company has a nasty habit of over-promising and under-delivering. The severity of the winter could be key: Each degree Celsius the temperature drops below normal, French power demand surges by about 2.5 gigawatts an hour — equivalent to the output of two nuclear power stations.

During a late cold snap last April, the French grid was forced to issue a rare orange alert — the second highest — asking households and companies to “moderate their consumption.” Those alerts will become a staple this coming winter, and very likely will escalate to “red alerts” that indicate a risk of blackouts unless families and businesses reduce demand.

Electricity traders are taking the risk seriously. In the wholesale market, the benchmark one-year French baseload power contract has jumped to a record high of 507 euros ($512) per megawatt hour, well above German prices of 350 to 370 euros for the parallel contract. French retail consumers are protected for now thanks to a price cap, but businesses are fully exposed.

Come winter, it will get much worse. For December, baseload French power is trading above 1,000 euros, almost double German prices, while peakload power — typically in the evenings when families gather for dinner and the heating is on — is changing hands at more than 2,000 euros. In practice, that means traders expect French power demand may be so high relative to supply that so-called hourly prices will bump against the 4,000-euro limit set by the exchange many times in December. The market, aware of what’s coming, is trying to kill consumption ahead of time, in an effort to avert blackouts. It’s a costly way of attempting to force electricity-intensive companies, such as smelters, to plan to shut down in December.

The French problem is spilling over into the rest of Europe, including the UK. EDF, long a source of national pride as well as low-cost electricity exports, is having to buy power to meet daily requirements. Earlier this month, the French grid made an emergency request to the British network for extra power — and that was in summer, when demand is low.

In the past, EDF only imported electricity on a net basis for a few days a year, if at all. For example, between 2014 and 2016, France didn’t import power on a single day. But as the nuclear troubles mounted, it’s relied increasingly on imports. Last year, it bought electricity from overseas for 78 days. So far this year, it has been forced to do so on a record 102 days.

Importing More​

France has been importing electricity, on a net basis, by a growing number of days per year as its nuclear fleet couldn't deliver enough electricity

France’s purchases put further pressure on a European electricity and gas market that’s already under stress. If French President Emmanuel Macron wants to help ease the European energy crisis, he needs to focus at home. Fixing EDF should be his top priority — well above his phone conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Paris has taken a first step, announcing the nationalization of the company at a cost of 10 billion euros, although not earlier than September. Puzzlingly, Macron has yet to bring in a new executive team. The company’s chief executive is set to depart, but perhaps not until March 2023. The rest of the senior team, including the executive in charge of nuclear power who has overseen the disastrous performance of the last couple of years, appear to be safe in their jobs for now. Macron also hasn’t curbed the influence of the trade unions within EDF — another perennial issue that’s stymied reform at the company.

Time is running out. Paris is delightful in the autumn and the winter; it’ll be much less attractive if the “City of Light” is forced to go dark.
 
"Paris has taken a first step, announcing the nationalization of the company at a cost of 10 billion euros, although not earlier than September."

In the long run, would this really change anything? I don't think a government run energy company would be any more competent than a private one. If anything, it might make things worse.
 
So you're telling me Europe will fall first before the entirety of Asia and South America joins the WEF? Tell me it ain't so!
 
"Paris has taken a first step, announcing the nationalization of the company at a cost of 10 billion euros, although not earlier than September."

In the long run, would this really change anything? I don't think a government run energy company would be any more competent than a private one. If anything, it might make things worse.
If it's a monopoly, then it's better to have it in governemnt than run by whoever the fuck foreign interest.
But if there's private company competition, then everybody wins.
 
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"Paris has taken a first step, announcing the nationalization of the company at a cost of 10 billion euros, although not earlier than September."

In the long run, would this really change anything? I don't think a government run energy company would be any more competent than a private one. If anything, it might make things worse.
The point isn't to get energy to everyone, the point to get to decide who deserves the limited resources they'll have in the winter, and they can do that much easier when they own the company.
 
It's gonna get even wilder if some of these cold snaps like what the US and Japan has had happen in European cities that aren't built for the extremes.

I have a feeling Europe might get hit with a nasty winter coming up. Especially if more of those Atlantic-crossing winter storms start forming.
 
I wonder if this will force Germany and France to unban that evil "American" fracking within their own countries?
The reason that fracking generally isn't done outside of America is that it fucks up the environment in exchange for energy that has a lot of trouble paying for itself without either government subsidies or vast amounts of funny money. In America there are political reasons to boost the numbers of domestic oil production and the financial system is really heavily gamed. On top of that, nobody gives a shit about the longer term consequences because they'll be retired before the bill to actually fix that shit comes due and they don't have to live in the places that get fucked up. Not as many nations have as much empty space as the US, and destroying a bunch of farmland in exchange for some shitty fuel just isn't worth it in Europe.

Of course that isn't to say that they won't do it - permanently fucking up the country's environment in exchange for oil that's barely worth pulling out of the ground might seem like a better idea than breaking the sanctions and going back into business with Russia to the morons in charge. It won't stop it from being a really bad idea, but it isn't like the German government hasn't pursued a bunch of incredibly shitty policies with ruinous long term consequences in the past few years.
 
The problem with the thread's name is that, barring a very white Christmas, it will only be a happening in 2023. Considering past EU behaviour it will be almost certain that they'll return rural area to having absolutely no power grid in favour of the bugmen hive filled with voters who'll have somewhat constant supply (the rich will of course get dibs on power, at least those eho don't have a Diesel generator near their villa).
At which point either the countryside starts burning the hive to the ground to make a point, or they'll cuck into fast decline and death as their entire family moves to the big cities.
 
The problem with the thread's name is that, barring a very white Christmas, it will only be a happening in 2023. Considering past EU behaviour it will be almost certain that they'll return rural area to having absolutely no power grid in favour of the bugmen hive filled with voters who'll have somewhat constant supply (the rich will of course get dibs on power, at least those eho don't have a Diesel generator near their villa).
At which point either the countryside starts burning the hive to the ground to make a point, or they'll cuck into fast decline and death as their entire family moves to the big cities.
How are the New Europeans going to fare? It would be Islamophobic and anti-Ukrainian if refugees didn't get free heating this winter.
 
How are the New Europeans going to fare? It would be Islamophobic and anti-Ukrainian if refugees didn't get free heating this winter.
They are smack dab in the biggest cities so they'll have electricity. And I already can see the argument that due to them coming from warmer climate it would be unethical to cut their power.
 
Hungary has secured more Russian gas.

Our leader even made a lolocaust joke about germans knowing all about gas.

This will help, but I wonder for how long it can last.
 
The reason that fracking generally isn't done outside of America is that it fucks up the environment in exchange for energy that has a lot of trouble paying for itself without either government subsidies or vast amounts of funny money. In America there are political reasons to boost the numbers of domestic oil production and the financial system is really heavily gamed. On top of that, nobody gives a shit about the longer term consequences because they'll be retired before the bill to actually fix that shit comes due and they don't have to live in the places that get fucked up. Not as many nations have as much empty space as the US, and destroying a bunch of farmland in exchange for some shitty fuel just isn't worth it in Europe.

Of course that isn't to say that they won't do it - permanently fucking up the country's environment in exchange for oil that's barely worth pulling out of the ground might seem like a better idea than breaking the sanctions and going back into business with Russia to the morons in charge. It won't stop it from being a really bad idea, but it isn't like the German government hasn't pursued a bunch of incredibly shitty policies with ruinous long term consequences in the past few years.
Disagree people need to understand the type of risks you deal with fracking are not as bad as some documentaries overstated. Generally speaking it's well noted that much of the green movement in Europe and abroad has been softly backed by the Russian federation back during the cold war times.
Because Russia much like the former Soviet union rely heavily on oil exports. many of the risks of earthquakes and ground water contamination have been sensationalized.
 
due to the Ukraine war

Not really. This shit has little to do with Putler. It's more to do with finite resources, mismanagement of said resources, profiteering by the few who can, and unrealistic expectations on the part of the many humans on planet earth, because they have been brought up to be dumb, compliant, unthinking animals, who never take the time to understand where that supper on their dinner table comes from, when it is just so easily presented to them.

Easy come, easy go.

Ukraine war is a major aggrevating factor, no doubt, but it's not the source. It may be the catalyst for greater change though with the shit storm it's about to bring about. So should not be under-estimated. I'm not pooh poohing it as a major concern, just pointing out you need to look deeper or longer for the causes of all of this.


I saw this post on this website about the whole French thing. I've been following it quite intently. I have a pretty good handle on it. Yeah, the French will suffer differently to the Germans. And the bongs will suffer differently to them all again. Even the Dutch will have their particular form of suffering. Will they go back to being potato eaters? Will they be so lucky?

Pretty soon a large percentage of the population are going to start joining the dots - without being told to do so by icons like David Icke - because it's just day to day shit that even a dullard could work out. In fact, a lot of them are already doing so.

Ukraine war got fuck all to do with it. Resources are running out. Saudi Arabia is buying oil from Russia (because they have a lot of money and Russia has a lot of Oil) and gaming the market. The reserves they give are just figures. It's all EROEI at the end of the day. Energy Returned over Energy Invested. At the start of the last century when Oil was just discovered and the industrial revolution provided the means to extract it economically, it took about 1 barrel of oil to extract 50 barrels of oil. Today, that one barrel of oil only extracts about 10 barrels of oil. Quite a change in just a 100 year period.

All the while, the human population of planet earth is set to hit 8 fucking Billion. It's not just that there's less available oil to cheaply extract, it's the fact that there are now many more millions of humans who rely on and expect that resource to be there or they will fucking riot.

Couple that with Globohomo shenanigans and profiteering. Yeah, we are just cattle. Yeah the PTB are psychos. No, magical thinking does not make wind or solar or hydro any more efficient. The EROEI is still shit compared to the finds at the start of the last century. They hit the motherlode.

Today we pick up the scraps. Fracking and shale, yeah, but still it's more resource intensive. Keep in mind as well that it's not just the ability to get the stuff out of the ground cheaply, it's the fact that a lot of those wells will have been drilled/drained because they were close to market. It costs money to ship oil/gas overseas. Of course they tapped the most available resources next door to them. Shipped them over the border. But now those reserves left in Siberia with a foot or two of permafrost and absolutely NO FUCKING INFRASTRUCTURE AT ALL to extract it, are harder to get at, harder to bring to market, harder to transport...

Try to understand this concept as well if you want to understand this subject:


And yah the Ukraine fuckeries have not helped at all. Ukraine has massive resources of hydrocarbons and fossil fuels and that is why Russis is protecting it. Putin may have small man syndrome, he may be mad, he may be many things. But he's not stupid. What he's doing now was predicted a while back. I hate the cunt, but I understand his reasoning.

They are turning off the lights in Germany. Turning off the heating. Next comes the appeals to the population to do the same, or else!

China hit peak oil a few years back. We outsourced our messy business to them for short term gain for the few. The chickens come home to roost soon. It's not about cheap eyeliner and lippy anymore. Not about cheap pots and pans. Cheap electronic tatty goods. It will be about food.

That is when the fun starts.

There's fuck all left to outsource. People can't strip down more than they already have. But those in the middle who still have a bit to give will be stripped again. It's all about that stripping of the middle classes and strivers. Soon there will only be super rich and super poor.

Just a clue:

Every single hike in energy discovery/production has resulted in greater population. Every single reduction in energy available/production has resulted in lesser, reduced, culled, population. Some things are open to debate. But this is not. It's verifiable demonstrable fact. From a myriad of sources.

I don't have much. I know I'll never have more now. I'm thankful for what I have.

And I, for one, am quite enjoying this shit show. As more people cotton on, the party won't be so great to observe.

These are the good days.

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Oh, nearly forgot:

You euros might want to read up on how the Japanese survive winter in homes with paper walls.

 
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