2016 US Presidential Election Thread 2 - Always Darkest before Don

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So um, Trump just explained why he thinks that the First Amendment gives "too much protection" for free speech

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-first-amendment-too-much-protection-37e72ee16ea2#.5b1dw6bsv

In an interview with WFOR, CBS’ Miami affiliate, Trump was asked if he believes the First Amendment provides “too much protection.”

Trump answered in the affirmative, saying he’d like to change the laws to make it easier to sue media companies. Trump lamented that, under current law, “our press is allowed to say whatever they want.”

He recommended moving to a system like in England where someone who sues a media company has “a good chance of winning.”

Trump has recently threatened to sue the New York Times and the numerous women who say he has sexually assaulted them. Trump is right that he would have a better chance of prevailing under English law where an allegedly defamatory statement is presumed to be false. There, it is up to the defendant in a libel suit to prove that their statements are true.

But even if U.S. law were more like England’s, Trump might still have difficulty in prevailing against his accusers or the New York Times. Many of Trump’s accusers have witnesses who can corroborate their stories. The reporter for People Magazine who says she was assaulted by Trump, for example, has six different people supporting her version of events.

English defamation law was also amended in 2013 to add a “public interest” exemption. This change would potentially allow the New York Times to escape liability in England even if they were unable to definitely prove the truth of their reporting.
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Original Interview: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/10/23/the-cbs4-interview-trump-on-rigged-system-the-press/
 
Male Idiot dijo:
I am pretty sure she wants war with Russia, or at least is very overconfident she can bully them.

But no, Sharia law is unlikely until the immigrants multiply to a certain treshold of around 20% of the population at least. I really doubt that will happen in Clinton's lifetime, unless she can reptile regenerate.
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They predicted the same thing with Catholics and Mormons and were proven wrong. Our Cuban, Dominicans, and Mexican immigrants are a large chunk of our population now (and before them it was Spainiards, Irishmen, Poles, and Italians),but I have yet to see bishops and cardinals intimidate governments to adopt Church friendly legislation.

Most cultures (like familial primacy or thrift) are effectivly beaten out by the second or third generation. I'm a second generation Italian-American, but I don't intend on having a massive family, nor did my parents or grandparents. My great grandparents were a different story.

Also, Trump has just managed to dig himself a little bit deeper.
Trump on porn star accusing him of miscoduct dijo:
'Oh, I'm sure she's never been grabbed before'
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Its like he wants to be seen as if he has no empathy.
 
He recommended moving to a system like in England where someone who sues a media company has “a good chance of winning.”
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In my country you can basically sue anyone for libel and win even if your claim is true. Its shit.
 
Ineedahero dijo:
Welp. I can't even imagine how a MAGA supporter would defend this. "Make America great again! By dismantling it's most fundamental law!"
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"Those sluts are lying so its obvious he should sue them because he's a smart businessman"
 
Ineedahero dijo:
Welp. I can't even imagine how a MAGA supporter would defend this. "Make America great again! By dismantling it's most fundamental law!"
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Probably something like, "Do you think powerful media companies should be able to get away with saying untrue things about you?"
Sort of like how people clamoring for restrictions on free expression as "hate speech" will come out of the woodwork to complain about Donald Trump's narcissism-motivated desire to squelch the press. The enemies of free speech are many and weaselly.
 
So, if anyone wants an example of why Trump is doing so poorly (and likely to do even worse than his polling indicates):
Campaigns are a lot of things, but most of what they are is work. Hard, brutal, slogging work. You fundraise, you reach out to people one at a time, you walk and knock, you call, you do everything you can to get your voters to the polls. That includes giving them rides. I have literally spent hours driving around on election day to pick up old people who don't drive and drive them to the polls. These are people we spent weeks identifying as voters. I cannot and do not ask them who to vote for, but once we've already identified someone as a supporter and targeted them, we can just run a shuttle service for them. This is Get Out the Vote. People who have never run a campaign before see Clinton doing this and assume she is cheating, because they are very stupid. Compared to Trump, she is cheating, because he is not doing any of this.

The example:

Campaign work is far, far too much for paid staff to do. You need thousands of volunteers. Getting people to volunteer is like pulling teeth. You need to stay on them every week, constantly follow up, and make it as plug-and-play for them as possible.

I want to volunteer for Clinton. I have an opportunity to sign up as a volunteer at every Clinton event, no matter how small or local, and on her website. If I sign up I get a call within 48 hours where a real live person tells me the closest event to me, when it is, what it will entail, and makes a sales pitch to get me to show up. They will very earnestly try not to let me go without signing up for something.

I want to volunteer for Trump. I sign up on his web site. Most local Trump events don't have volunteer signups. At some point a week or more later I get a call. If I tell them I want to volunteer, they instruct me to hang up and dial a different number. If I do, that line is an automated menu.

This is real. This is really how they are doing it.

This is campaign malpractice. If I did this on a campaign I was running, even at the state rep level where your district has like 50,000 voters, I would be fired. If I was running a campaign and someone on my GOTV team suggested this I would transfer them off the project.

How are they so bad at this?!
 
The Great Goatse dijo:
So, if anyone wants an example of why Trump is doing so poorly (and likely to do even worse than his polling indicates):
Campaigns are a lot of things, but most of what they are is work. Hard, brutal, slogging work. You fundraise, you reach out to people one at a time, you walk and knock, you call, you do everything you can to get your voters to the polls. That includes giving them rides. I have literally spent hours driving around on election day to pick up old people who don't drive and drive them to the polls. These are people we spent weeks identifying as voters. I cannot and do not ask them who to vote for, but once we've already identified someone as a supporter and targeted them, we can just run a shuttle service for them. This is Get Out the Vote. People who have never run a campaign before see Clinton doing this and assume she is cheating, because they are very stupid. Compared to Trump, she is cheating, because he is not doing any of this.

The example:

Campaign work is far, far too much for paid staff to do. You need thousands of volunteers. Getting people to volunteer is like pulling teeth. You need to stay on them every week, constantly follow up, and make it as plug-and-play for them as possible.

I want to volunteer for Clinton. I have an opportunity to sign up as a volunteer at every Clinton event, no matter how small or local, and on her website. If I sign up I get a call within 48 hours where a real live person tells me the closest event to me, when it is, what it will entail, and makes a sales pitch to get me to show up. They will very earnestly try not to let me go without signing up for something.

I want to volunteer for Trump. I sign up on his web site. Most local Trump events don't have volunteer signups. At some point a week or more later I get a call. If I tell them I want to volunteer, they instruct me to hang up and dial a different number. If I do, that line is an automated menu.

This is real. This is really how they are doing it.

This is campaign malpractice. If I did this on a campaign I was running, even at the state rep level where your district has like 50,000 voters, I would be fired. If I was running a campaign and someone on my GOTV team suggested this I would transfer them off the project.

How are they so bad at this?!
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I can back him up on this. The Clinton campaign is a fucking behemoth. Canvassed for the Democrats yesterday, we have reems of paper with basic data and GOTV does two things with it.
  1. Pushes possible voters who have registered Democrat to actually plan out their day to vote on election day
  2. Allows us to fine tune our data. Some people are indifferent to Clinton, and we try to make them more enthusiastic to vote for her. A good number, (about half of the ones I spoke to) are very eager to vote for her and a small handful are were negative or hostile to her. Canvassing allows us to ensure that the people we have in the first two camps remember to vote. A dew voters had died or moved, some were unwilling to talk at all about the election, and two of them were inaccesable (one had chained their front gate, another had bitpulls roaming the yard). They came from all age groups and genders too.
We then take all this data and bring it back to them. Its a well oiled machine, and the few blocks I covered told me more about it than eyeballing the signs.

Its a very good model that I think got pioneered by Obama and has been adopted by Cruz for a possible 2020 run.

Trump has projected so hard about pay to play that the Great America PAC has been caught admitting they'd fucking do it themselves.
 
feedtheoctopus dijo:
I am oddly proud that I have earned a place in null's heart as "that autistic communist".

But yeah, other than that no comment.
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I can't tell if that's a step up or down from his normal opinion of Kiwis as his "400-pound autistic furry sons." On the one hand, your not a furry (to him). On the other, he at least recognizes us as his own.
 
Oh man, reading this thread about Trump's "grab her by the pussy" comments is a hoot:
https://boards.4chan.org/news/thread/77138

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Ineedahero dijo:
-_-

I'm going to assume you are just believing some summary of the events you read, because there is no way someone who knew the full facts would summarise that case in this fashion, whether they believed it was true or not.
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The affidavit is like a fucking page or two.

"4. During the 1992 Presidential campaign there were unfounded rumors and stories circulated that Mr. Clinton had made unwelcome sexual advances toward me in the late seventies. Newspaper and tabloid reporters hounded me and my family, seeking corroboration of these tales. I repeatedly denied the allegations and requested that my family's privacy be respected. These allegations are untrue and I had hoped that they would no longer haunt me, or cause further disruption to my family."

melty dijo:
There is never going to be sharia law anywhere in the us ever lol. I don't think anything makes Americans chimp out harder than those two words.
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Technically there is. Parties can contract to resolve issues through religious arbitration based on sharia principles, just as they could agree to arbitrate before a beth din under halacha. Arbitrations pursuant to such agreements are generally enforceable by any court of competent jurisdiction.

feedtheoctopus dijo:
A lot of Americans regardless of politics like the constitution more in theory than they do in practice
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A lot of Americans really like the idea of the Constitution, and what they imagine is in it, without actually liking what is actually in it. Usually it's either the First or Second Amendment they don't like, when someone they don't like is using it.
 
Socking is not acceptable.
Hi all, got unfairly banned the first time but now I'm back.

So, even when you're working hard on the campaign trail- can you ever be too busy for good barbecue? Getting some grub on the go at Stamey's in Greensboro, NC. Sweet place, great people.
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