Aug 29 2021 - Barb returned to 14BC

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Call me a sociopath but I find it kind of amusing how someone who was a liar, manipulator, and a potential groomer of her own son who all in all inside was a hollow husk of a human being, is now being made manifest physically on the outside when you see her in the videos she's featured in. There's some kind of poetry to it and it rhymes so well. Doesn't make what Chris did to her any more justifiable though, but sometimes I wonder if God has a sense of humor sometimes.
 
slimz dijo:
Ok you are obviously not following the story.
Barb did not call the cops.
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During the month of Chris doing this to her, you retard. If she isn't a vegetable, why didn't she call for help? Because she was consenting? Then why she isn't charged with incest too? She is too old to be put into jail, not standing the trial. Also people here stated many times that rape trial are not public, but the same ween states that Chris's trial will be, therefore it is still not rape, but she is still not charged with incest.
 
Hongourable Madisha dijo:
Are people allowed to post updates from the courtroom? Like when Amy Eileen Hamm attended Jonathan Yaniv's various legal shenanigans and live tweeted them throughout. That was in Canada and a tribunal though, what's the rules in this one?
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Most courthouses won't even let you bring a phone in to the actual courtroom. I had to go to traffic court and saw people putting their phones in the bushes outside because they didn't have a car to to put it back in.
 
MisterBee dijo:
What's going to stop barb letting Chris live with her again? Both are not right in the head. I imagine Chris being Chris will somehow broadcast his living situation and it will get reported instantly, but this whole situation is fucked. The horde is going to most likely collapse on barb and entomb her.
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Chris is being held without bail, which means he's almost certainly going to be incarcerated for the next 12 months. IF he wriggles out of it, he'll almost certainly have to wear a GPS bracelet to keep him away from Barb indefinitely. If Chris gets fucked in court and gets the full 10 years, it's unlikely that Barb will still be alive.
 
"Some random person on the internet should go bother this old lady they don't know to find out about her incest rape case involving her retarded son in jail. But no weening"

lolwot. What kind of absolute faggotry is this how is randos involving themselves in a strangers serious criminal case in order to get brownies on the internet not possibly weening? How big is that dent in your forehead?







This totally means Chris is fucked though. Shes out and about at her house presumably alone, driving, was obviously judged to have her mental faculties. He's in jail. If she just said "no nothing happened" at the hospital, and was cognizant, they can't force a kit on her. They'd never go and arrest him based on someone on the internet phoning them saying "chris fucked his mom". So either she was in bad condition and didn't have her faculties, or she said he raped her. If she just said "we had sex", it's possible they wouldn't arrest her (although she would be facing the exact same crime), but then probably wouldn't arrest him either. There's no way the defender wouldn't argue why isn't this old consenting bitch at trial.


Yikes.
 
Xarpho dijo:
Chris is being held without bail, which means he's almost certainly going to be incarcerated for the next 12 months. IF he wriggles out of it, he'll almost certainly have to wear a GPS bracelet to keep him away from Barb indefinitely. If Chris gets fucked in court and gets the full 10 years, it's unlikely that Barb will still be alive.
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I don't know, this case becomes even more bizzarre than before. I mean, people including me thought that Barb is near vegetable, that's why Chris eventually took advantage of her, but according to our photographer she is not in a nursing home, lucid enough to greet him and possibly drives a car. So... Why was she letting Chris doing this to her for a month or so? Why didn't she call the cops? If you assume that she was in that as much as Chris, then why she is at home and as far as I know still not charged with incest? If somehow she couldn't report it, but was able to reveal it during EPO, then why Chrises charges weren't changed to rape?

Fuck, I almost feel like the result is going to surprise everyone, whatever they think it was - rape, just incest or Chris being manipulated.
 
This is an interesting turn of events. But an octogenarian who is completely compos mentis is still likely a vulnerable person. If you think about a 'typical' incest rape situation, where some fucker starts saying inappropriate things to his teen niece or stepdaughter, and it progresses to him molesting her and then creeping into her bedroom at night and sticking his dick in her. Chris's own description of it makes it sound like he started sexually mauling her and as he wore her down became increasingly aggressive with it. She was isolated in the house with him and probably didn't have anyone she could ask for help or a way out of that. And I'd be surprised if Barb hasn't some time ago developed the defense mechanism of zoning out when Chris starts talking shit about his imaginary friends and being a real woman. I don't think the revelation that she's not as mentally disabled as most of us had assumed will get him off a rape charge.

Rocky Shoemaker was a woman from the church the family attended who helped Barb and Chris after Bob died. I understand she washed her hands of them after Chris told her some fucked-up fantasy about raping her, which was sinister enough at the time but even moreso with hindsight. I'll bet that she or someone in a similar capacity is helping Barb live in the house and has assisted her in recovering the car. Hopefully they at least cleared enough rooms for her to inhabit safely first.

FWIW I (at least for now) am inclined to believe the OP's sighting. The photograph of the car looks convincing to me and I can think of no other sensible reason why the car was at the house with 'normal' plates on it.
 
This could also mean that Barb isn't cooperating at all with Chris's prosecution. She may be denying what happened every three nights and saying Chris just made it up. If she is together enough to pull that off all bets are off. Who knows what will happen?

The lawyer might have arranged to retrieve the car and get plates for it. That isn't proof that Barb is home.
 
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I want to know what effect her medications actually have on her state of mind. To me, Chris (who was responsible for them) fucking it up and either not giving her them regularly enough or at all seems like a very plausible scenario.

Now that he’s out of the picture, perhaps someone else took charge and made sure that she’s taking them properly thus explaining her supposedly vast improvement.

Then, again, I have no idea how these meds work.
 
Uncle Meat dijo:
This could also mean that Barb isn't cooperating at all with Chris's prosecution. She may be denying what happened every three nights and saying Chris just made it up. If she is together enough to pull that off all bets are off. Who knows what will happen?
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That's actually quite interesting idea, but why Chris has been arrested at all in that case? I mean, they can't keep him for so long just for the EPO violation, right?

Deborah Debbie Grayson dijo:
I want to know what effect her medications actually have on her state of mind. To me, Chris (who was responsible for them) fucking it up and either not giving her them regularly enough or at all seems like a very plausible scenario.

Now that he’s out of the picture, perhaps someone else took charge and made sure that she’s taking them properly thus explaining her supposedly vast improvement.

Then, again, I have no idea how these meds work.
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I am not an expert, but from what I understand it depends. There is no cure for dementia, but some meds slow down it's effects, however, it can differ. One of my relatives actually got worse after those, reverting in memory almost a decade back.
 
If true, its amazing what the right meds can do for an elderly person, especially when they aren't at the mercy of their crazy tranny son.
 
Phillip_Jeffries dijo:
Yes! I watched her get into the van and drive off. Other than just seeming a bit out of it she seemed at least somewhat lucid during our short interaction.
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It's good news that she's still able to walk and drive.
Did she do some kind of muscular reinforcement lately ?

But seriously, regarding the meds, the only ones directly targeting things like Alzheimer's only produce, sometime, a small decrease regarding the speed of the degenerescence.

The other psy meds that are usually prescribed are for actual symptoms that occured depending of the regions of the brains which are damaged. Like frontal lobe damage tends to make people impulsive, aggressive, then they can be given sedatives, typically neuroleptics. Depression, anxiety, and sleep troubles happen often too, and that can involve meds like antidepressants, anxiolytics and the such.
The risks are mainly due to the sedative nature of the meds. At this age, il you fall, break your leg, and stay in bed without moving for 3 months, your muscles will have melted so much that most never walk again.
Also, if things like benzos are involved, the risks are the increased deficit of attention and memory, and driving with it seems quite dangerous.

But that's just speculation.
 
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slimz dijo:
We had to confiscate my grandfather's car keys because if he found them he would take the car and go to a convenience store. He could not tell his daughter from his wife but he could drive to get coffee.
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We have someone like that right now. In an expensive home, has a car. He actually seems better now that he is in a small town, but when he was in the city he would regularly call my wife and tell her he is stopped at/in an intersection and doesn't know where he is. More than once I had to drive into town to go find him.

So it's not at all unlikely that Barb isn't fully capable of driving a car. Whether she knows where she is going or why is another story. Home seems to be imprinted on them for the most part, like an animal, but I assume if she got too far away or on some highway she wasn't familiar with she would be fucked.
 
weegrumpy dijo:
ive had doubts about her having dementia … if they have discharged her home, imo she must be competent … but I don't understand in my theory, if she didn't consent, why aren't they're been rape charges yet.
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No matter what, the court system is ridiculously slow. Bureaucracy is slow already, but prosecutors in this kind of case have a big incentive to have their ducks in a row before bringing serious charges, if they end up being merited. That can mean repetitive and apparently endless gathering of lots of similar pieces of evidence to be prepared to show any doubts raised by the defense are not "reasonable." Of course, it's also possible they have already deemed further charges are not, in fact, merited by the facts. Personally I'd like to hang on to any shred of hope possible Chris just thinks she's playing 5-d-merging sonichess by making the claims in the first place, and that having done so will eventually prove ... something ... she has intellectually committed herself to believing. While she definitely has made absolutely steadfast commitments to bizarre and irrational beliefs in the past, I do think holding ALL that much hope out, that absolutely nothing untoward has happened whatsoever, would probably be more intensely fantasy than believing our reality is just a simulation running on computers in the sonichu dimension.

As far as Ms. Chandler's technical and/or qualitative psychological condition, since the U.S. likes being special and uses its own definitions for mental disorders, published in a book called the DSM published by the American Psychiatric Association, there are really three separate but related questions—
  1. Whether Ms. Chandler has an actual diagnosis of "dementia," which is officially called "major neurocognitive disorder," but yeah, even doctors just say "dementia" for obvious reasons. This comes down solely to whether a clinician has made the diagnosis based on its published diagnostic criteria, which basically just specify the types and minimum severity of the psychological difficulties required to amount to true dementia. If the answer about her diagnosis were actually public, and "yes," there wouldn't be much to discuss, but afaik, it's not public.
  2. What the court finds regarding her competence, the technical term in the legal system for her mental ability, to testify in a trial, or to be able to care for herself independently. This would involve assessments by clinicians, and might ultimately result in, though does not require, a determination of whether she can be diagnosed with dementia (if she hadn't already been, with the court able to verify the diagnosis).
  3. How much age related cognitive decline she is experiencing and to what extent it affects her quality of life and ability to take care of herself and protect her own interests, outside of any strict medical legal definitions. Age related cognitive decline is inevitable because the human nervous system has parts that don't regenerate, and therefore even though some parts of the brain may be healthy basically indefinitely in a person healthy for their age, eventually, most cognitive abilities (memory, reasoning, reaction speed, emotional control, and so on) will noticeable and increasingly deteriorate with age. The information that could be used to speculate on this question, which is the only one where we can speculate meaningfully about the true current situation, is just the footage of Ms. Chandler's behavior publicly available. It's much more fast and loose than the first two questions, but we're obviously talking about a person's life here, and cognitive changes with age can drastically affect basically every ability required for independent living, and even if the technical definition for the disorder isn't met. But, that also means there's a lot of play in every direction for disagreements. No one's assessment can be "correct" or "incorrect" if it's at least grossly consistent with reality, but all opinions are by definition non-expert, unless someone here is a clinician treating Ms. Chandler or a lawyer involved in some aspect of the case.

So when you say "she must be competent" if the court released her, really, the threshold for that is low, and that, at least rationally, could account for some of the apparent contradictions. A person who knew they had to eat and drink regularly, how to acquire food and pay for other things, and where the restroom was in their house and how to use it, is probably pretty near the threshold for being released. So we really know basically nothing other than that Ms. Chandler is not comatose.
 
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