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The Dumbest Argument Against Vaccine Passports​


As of last week, New Yorkers are now required to show proof that they’ve been vaccinated before they can enjoy indoor activities like dining at a restaurant, working out at the gym, or visiting a concert venue. San Francisco has launched its own vaccine passport program, as has bachelor party–magnet New Orleans. These entirely reasonable precautions have triggered howls of outrage from populist conservatives and hardened anti-vaxxers who see them as a grave infringement on their personal liberty.

In their furor, this crew has fixated on one especially trolly talking point. Democrats, they argue, are hypocrites for supporting vaccine passports while simultaneously opposing voter ID laws on the grounds that they are racist. Conservatives note that in New York City, just 28 percent of young Black adults are vaccinated, versus 52 percent of whites, meaning African-Americans are currently much more likely to be kept out of restaurants, bars, and clubs under the city’s new rules.

As Fox News host Sean Hannity told his viewers earlier this month: “Anyone that wants to dine indoors, or go to the gym or do pretty much anything inside, you will need to present documents proving that you have been vaccinated. Remember for months now Democrats insisted that all forms of voter ID, yeah they’re racist. They called voter verification, voter ID laws ‘Jim Crow of the 21st century’ and ‘Jim Crow 2.0.’” You can find versions of this sentiment all over Twitter, and perhaps just as importantly, on the floor of the U.S. Senate, where North Dakota Republican Kevin Cramer introduced a bill requiring states that adopt vaccine passport systems to also impose voter ID laws.

Even by the standards of the right-wing noise machine, this is an incredibly inane attempt at a gotcha. While they may have a disparate impact on Black young adults in the short term, vaccine passports are clearly nothing like voter ID laws. The comparison is absurd.

For starters, only one of these policies is intended to fix a real problem. Vaccine passports are meant to help stop the spread of COVID-19—an actual virus that frequently kills people and has upended the world as we once knew it. Voter ID laws are ostensibly meant to prevent in-person voter fraud—a phenomenon so rare as to be functionally nonexistent. If ballot stuffing and double-voting truly were rampant, it might actually be worth having a discussion about requiring IDs at the polls and the tradeoffs it entails. As it is, it’s not shocking that Democrats would support steps to combat a genuine crisis but not an imaginary one.

That’s the polite way of framing the issue. The blunter way to put it is that while vaccine passports are designed to help stop a currently worsening plague, voter ID rules are mostly designed to stop Democrats from voting—specifically young people and lower-income minorities, who for various reasons often have difficulty obtaining a driver’s license. Empirically speaking, it’s not clear that the laws actually suppress turnout much, if at all. But the restrictive intent is clear.

Most conservatives would object to this characterization, at least in public. But while smart Republicans usually claim that ID requirements are simply meant to shore up public confidence in our elections even if actual instances of fraud are rare, they sometimes drop the fig leaf and admit that the laws are really just about winning elections. As one long-time Republican consultant famously said of North Carolina’s controversial voter ID statute, “Of course it’s political. Why else would you do it?”

Vaccine passports, meanwhile, are not intended to prevent people from going out to eat or do any of the apocalyptic things that many of Hannity’s viewers and Cramer’s voters might think. They’re a nudge intended to make people get vaccinated, which at this point is obviously a legitimate policy goal. Finding a legal workaround to disenfranchise many Black and Hispanic voters, in contrast, is not. This is not rocket science.

Hard-right Republicans, who have generally adopted an antagonistic attitude toward vaccination and mask mandates that can only be described as pro-COVID, are not the only ones who have argued that requiring vaccine passports would be unfair to the Black community. In one extreme case, Boston’s interim mayor, who is Black, actually compared vaccine requirements to the papers free Blacks were required to show in order to prove they weren’t slaves during the antebellum era. I wouldn’t be surprised if concerns about racial equity, or just plain sensitivities to vaccine hesitancy in the Black community, have stopped other big city mayors from implementing them, even if they’ve skipped the fiery rhetoric.

But fundamentally, we’ve reached a point where we desperately need to get every American possible vaccinated if we want a safe return to normal life. It’s especially imperative that we get innoculation rates up in the Black community, which is lagging behind after being hit harder than any other group by the pandemic. Failing to do so would be its own tremendous racial injustice. Vaccine passports might be a slightly coercive way to do it. But sometimes public health interventions need to be a little coercive (see: vaccine requirements for kids in school). In the end, there’s simply no comparison between a policy meant to keep Black Americans from getting sick and one that’s meant to keep them from voting. There’s no reason more cities shouldn’t follow New York’s, San Francisco’s, and New Orleans’ lead.
 
"Public health" is what "national security" was 20 years ago.

All of this will end just as GWOT is ending now: in international humiliation and "temporary safety measures" permanently set in stone.

Notice how these cuntflaps never actually refute these arguments? It's always "nuh-uh! You're just a racist sexist fascist poopyhead conspiracy theorist meanie!"
 
I never had to show proof of flu vaccination, MMR vaccination, or any other vaccination to enter a building, why should I need to show proof of vaccination against a disease that is far less dangerous than any of those and has a vaccine which doesn't protect against infection or spread nearly as effectively? Why am I not healthy until proven sick?
 
I never had to show proof of flu vaccination, MMR vaccination, or any other vaccination to enter a building, why should I need to show proof of vaccination against a disease that is far less dangerous than any of those and has a vaccine which doesn't protect against infection or spread nearly as effectively? Why am I not healthy until proven sick?
Covid is quite a bit more deadly than the flu
 
Covid is quite a bit more deadly than the flu
Since we now know that the covid vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading covid, a negative covid test would be a better thing to require if we are actually concerned about public safety.

Or, why don't we just embrace segregation again? Separate places for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Even black people got access to their own spaces during the Jim Crow era.
 
"Public health" is what "national security" was 20 years ago.

All of this will end just as GWOT is ending now: in international humiliation and "temporary safety measures" permanently set in stone.

Notice how these cuntflaps never actually refute these arguments? It's always "nuh-uh! You're just a racist sexist fascist poopyhead conspiracy theorist meanie!"
I wrote a lengthy response to this article that cloudflare booting me nuked but I will repeat this part:
A more apt comparison would be Obesity to The Fauci Virus.

Obesity which kills hundreds of thousands a year and at the very least greatly contributed to the death total of TFV is still being ignored or outright embraced.

Where is the BMI Pass? Would that be okay?(I certainly do not think so but what would this author say)

"Oh you want a piece of cake...gotta see your BMI pass!" It is not a punishment it is a nudge to do the right thing!

It is already too late to stop the next demand by the government to do the right thing.

Regarding the Mask Mandates: The science is clear there is no benefit to wearing a mask that is not well fitted and n95 or above. This is even coming from left wing talking heads who only said it because they wanted more strict mandates like Osterholm.

All states have non-driver ID's. Some states offer free ID's.

It is not move to block legal voters it is an attempt to ensure election security which was a really pressing concern for Slate and the left in general from 2015 to Nov 2020.

320m+ people.
37m+ cases.
Less than 700k deaths*.
Complete dismantling of personal liberties.

Nice job.

No to muh Patriot Act!

COVID PASSPORTS YES PLEASE!

Oh final question: Will Covid Passports be required to vote?

Final edit because I know certain people will attempt to smear me: No, I am not anti-vax. I have encouraged a number of people I know who happen to be older or in otherwise high risk groups to get vaccinated. If you are at high risk of a severe case of Covid and a vaccine has an 80% chance(I think that is where we are resting right now) of stopping you from being hospitalized go for it.

Then be prepared to go for it again. And then again. And again for the rest of your life.
 
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I'll never stop saying it...3 out of 4 black people are unvaccinated.

I look forward to the absolute lowest part of our society being required to show their papers in order to participate in any aspect of society. I also look forward to the shoot out videos and news articles covering the deaths of those that enforce these policies which inherently violate an American's right to freedom of movement. We are not your vassals and black people going full GangGang on workers/establishments is well within their American Right to exist and I support it for once.
 
Since we now know that the covid vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading covid, a negative covid test would be a better thing to require if we are actually concerned about public safety.

Or, why don't we just embrace segregation again? Separate places for vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Even black people got access to their own spaces during the Jim Crow era.
Except it does protect against getting and spreading covid, just not 100% of the time. I know your debilitating autism makes you struggle with things that are not 0% or 100%, but there's a huge difference between 0% and 70%
 
I'll never stop saying it...3 out of 4 black people are unvaccinated.

I look forward to the absolute lowest part of our society being required to show their papers in order to participate in any aspect of society. I also look forward to the shoot out videos and news articles covering the deaths of those that enforce these policies which inherently violate an American's right to freedom of movement. We are not your vassals and black people going full GangGang on workers/establishments is well within their American Right to exist and I support it for once.
Sure, but these laws won't apply to peon seas or those on the right side of herstory.
 
Sure, but these laws won't apply to peon seas or those on the right side of herstory.
wrong. All poor people will be forced to submit and the biggest racist are not the ones screaming n-words. its the white liberal who thinks BIPOC need 'extra special help'.

The only people that can escape mask/vaccine mandates are too rich to be bothered.
 
Except it does protect against getting and spreading covid, just not 100% of the time. I know your debilitating autism makes you struggle with things that are not 0% or 100%, but there's a huge difference between 0% and 70%
I'm not an autistic faggot like you, dude. I was simply pointing out that we would have a much better chance of stopping the spread if we relied on who actually has or doesn't have the virus rather than who has a vaccine that -- over time -- loses its efficacy, especially against this new Delta variant. Data from Israel suggests efficacy drops a lot (Pfizer dropped to 39% efficacy against Delta). And it wanes after 4 to 6 months. You should try to keep up with latest science. They are talking about booster shots for a reason.

So, how is a card saying I got vaccinated 8 months ago going to prove that I don't have covid today?
 
Also, weren't vax passports another thing they were deboonking as a "baseless right-wing cuntsthpeeracee theoreeeeee" just a few months ago?

Remember, ladies, gentlemen, enbies: "It's not happening, and it's good that it is".
 
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Why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.

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Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?'

I am Democrat, whom you persecute.
 
No it doesn't, really. My father's coworker in city court got jab and went sick, come to work and after that 6 people end up covid positive, another 5 were under the question after contacting with that dude.
Are you unaware of what else I wrote in there? It's not 100% effective, but there's a gigantic difference between 0% and 70%. Again, I know autism makes it hard to grasp things that are not 0 or 100%, but just try here.

I'm not an autistic faggot like you, dude. I was simply pointing out that we would have a much better chance of stopping the spread if we relied on who actually has or doesn't have the virus rather than who has a vaccine that -- over time -- loses its efficacy, especially against this new Delta variant. Data from Israel suggests efficacy drops a lot (Pfizer dropped to 39% efficacy against Delta). And it wanes after 4 to 6 months. You should try to keep up with latest science. They are talking about booster shots for a reason.

So, how is a card saying I got vaccinated 8 months ago going to prove that I don't have covid today?
Other ones are doing better against Delta in other places. Even 40% is better than 0%. And I know you have autism (despite your denial) and thus it makes it hard for your diseased mind to understand things between 0 and 100, but that's just how it is.
 
"For one, vaccine passports are Good and Correct whereas voter ID is Bad and Wrong. And also racist! There is no for two."

Boy, I don't know about you but I sure am convinced.
I could imagine a meme featuring Willy Wonka of the sceptical third world kid saying "Vaccine passports are good. Tell me why voter ID is bad?"

Edit: And wait for the surprising Pikachu faces the pro-vaccine passports will do when some hackers will hack their passports.
 
Are you unaware of what else I wrote in there? It's not 100% effective, but there's a gigantic difference between 0% and 70%. Again, I know autism makes it hard to grasp things that are not 0 or 100%, but just try here.
Well if you stop flexing your dementia on others I may consider actually read your comments.
Until then - no, thanks, I'm good as is.

And I know you have autism (despite your denial) and thus it makes it hard for your diseased mind to understand things between 0 and 100, but that's just how it is.
Say, is anyone who disagrees with you an autist in your opinion? Do you compensate something or you just autistic yourself that much?

I could imagine a meme featuring Willy Wonka of the sceptical third world kid saying "Vaccine passports are good. Tell me why voter ID is bad?"
here's the great background for this.

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