On The State of Israel - Should it exist, or should it not? Is it already just fine, or do some things need to be fixed?

[Angry Canadian]

The problem with your argument that there was no one actually living in Israel when the Jews came besides few cities and resident goat fuckers. Only after the Jews actually created something resembling a country suddenly arabs "remembere" that this was their land all along.
Besides that Israelis actually fought to keep their country, as opposed to modern western countries whose citizens would rather let niggers/arabs fuck their daugher than actually fight back against the invasion.

If "no one was really living there" why has it taken 70 years for Palestinian territory to shrink to the levels it is today from the 40s when Israel was refounded?

Surely if there was nothing but a few scattered goatfuckers, expansion and colonization wouldn't have taken so long and there wouldn't have been nearly as many purges.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

If "no one was really living there" why has it taken 70 years for Palestinian territory to shrink to the levels it is today from the 40s when Israel was refounded?
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Surely if there was nothing but a few scattered goatfuckers, expansion and colonization wouldn't have taken so long and there wouldn't have been nearly as many purges.

Because this image was made by the people who use wikipedia as source. Jews bought/took over a fucktone of land before the UN decleration and were only really limited by numbers, while the innumerable palestinian bedouins who arrived in Israel just squatted in random places and spun tales about their families living there for 1000 years.
Palestinians losing land afterwards is what you fucking get for trying to conquer a country and failing.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

there was no one actually living in Israel when the Jews came

The British government would disagree with you. From their 1920 report:

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or—a small number—are Protestants. The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil.

 

[Faket0Fake]

If "no one was really living there" why has it taken 70 years for Palestinian territory to shrink to the levels it is today from the 40s when Israel was refounded?
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Surely if there was nothing but a few scattered goatfuckers, expansion and colonization wouldn't have taken so long and there wouldn't have been nearly as many purges.

In 1946 it was still British Palestine as it had been since the 1920's during the post World War I carving up of Ottoman territory creating new states full of tribes that hate each other while awarding most of it to the Arabs...Also other Arabs who took over from the first Arabs the British and French put there in the case of Saudi Arabia. Also the southern part of the map is almost entirely a desert with nothing in it so to call that much of a population is an exaggeration, from most sources in the British forces occupying it at the time and consequently the UN when the British gave up fighting paramilitaries and told the UN to deal with it, Jews made up about 30% of the population. !949 shows what people regard as borders but are actually ceasefire lines created when several new Arab countries plus Egypt intervened in a civil war between Jewish and Arab militia after Israel declared independence. No border for an independent Palestine has ever existed, there are no leaders of any independent Palestine before or after 1946. The Arabs were offered more land than they claim now as we see on the UN partition plan, the Israeli side actually signed it as they were desperate for the state of Israel to be recognized but the Arab side refused backed by several new Arab countries and Egypt. They promised to turn the land into a "river of blood" in their message to the UN.


When the ceasefire happened in 1949 what we call the West Bank was occupied by Jordanian forces who claimed it as their territory and Egypt occupied Gaza, this was the case until the Six Day War in 1967 when Jordan was pushed out the West Bank and Egypt lost Gaza and much of the Sinai desert (later regained Sinai in a peace agreement). Between 1949 and 1967 no attempt was ever made to create a Palestinian state in any of these territories in fact most of the Arabs who lived in those areas ended up in refugee camps in Jordan that were run much like concentration camps and replaced by Jordanians in the West Bank. The Palestinian Charter calling for the establishment of an independent Palestine didn't even include either the West Bank or Gaza in their claims as they do now. They only laid claim to the lands Jews occupied as Gaza was Egypt and the West Bank Jordan according to them. If it was Palestine then why did these other countries occupy it until pushed out and not give it to a Palestinian people who apparently existed? Maybe it was because it was all about kicking the Jews back out and creating more land for the Arabs even though they already got 97% of the land from the former Ottoman land, why is this tiny slither of land that is mostly an empty desert so important to Arabs? If it is important then why didn't they make attempts to establish a state when they had control of it? Why did they choose war when peace was on the table with a land split? If anything they could have destroyed the Jewish paramilitaries there and then, they had Soviet Support for the most part and the US was not supplying them at this point, they got most of their weapons bought via Eastern European countries sympathetic to their cause and disillusioned with Communism and the Soviets. One big reason why they didn't go on and occupy all the land before a ceasefire is lots of political arguments on how to carve that land up between them.

Israel later agreed to move out of Gaza only keeping a border force in a shared border with Egypt at the former's request. During the time they had occupied Gaza they built a lot of infrastructure and economy in the area including a number of plantations and greenhouses that they hoped would have Gaza get a good start and allow the markets to keep running. The first thing that happened when Israel pulled out was they burned down all the things left by Israel for them, rioted and fired hundreds of rockets into Israel. They do not want peace or a stable state by any stretch of the imagination. They have never once tried to attain it except when trying to gain territory from Israel itself. It's just territorial gains changed over the years.

The chance for an independent Palestine is long gone and they need to accept it. Stop funding the two feuding terrorist groups in Gaza and the West Bank and make peace. Stop trying to gain the one piece of territory that wasn't handed over to you in return for all your oil and helping to break down the Ottoman Empire for the British. The main reason they go with politics, sympathy grabbing and terrorist insurgencies is they lost the ability to win militarily long ago. If you still believe this fairy tale of this super army of Jews with tanks appearing as is from nowhere after WWII and rolling through the country while kicking people out their homes then you're really dumb and unaware of history. All this #FreePalestine propaganda funded by Arab oil money need to stop.

Just be good little Americans and support your fellow circumsized Jew as the covenant commands, a land of genital mutilation perfection free of Arabs who in less than 80 years have managed to fuck up every country they were given except maybe Saudi Arabia that exists as a rich land of primitive Sharia law. But the Sauds did kick the original Arabians out who the British installed so maybe they wasn't a bunch of brainless puppets like the rest.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The British government would disagree with you. From their 1920 report:

How exactly? The report itself agrees with what I said that the land was desolate and that was just about the time when Zionism kicked off as and ideology and a large amount of people immigrated. And at least from a cursory search it just so happens that Muslim population exploded around the same time Zionism became popular.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

In any case, 700,000 people can make up a nation - there were only 200,000 more Estonians at the time and nobody denies that Estonians are a nation with a right to their own nation state.

a large amount of [Jewish] people immigrated

Which proves that they have no right to a state there.

Jews have as much of a right to a state in Palestine as Pakistanis have a right to a state in Bradford.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

In any case, 700,000 people can make up a nation - there were only 200,000 more Estonians at the time and nobody denies that Estonians are a nation with a right to their own nation state.

Maybe if they actually consider themselves as a single ethnic identity, but the arabs that actually resided in Israel at that time were content with the Ottoman/British boot on their back, and once release from the british regime was possible they immeditely called for Palestine to be joined with Syria (rather than have their own country).

Which proves that they have no right to a state there.

Jews have as much of a right to a state in Palestine as Pakistanis have a right to a state in Bradford.

Besides the question of when exactly is this kind of nation building (especially when the nation being built is a barren wasteland) ceased to be legitimate (or do you consider the USA as also illegitimate?), by your own logic the Palestinians also doesn't deserve to live in Israel since it was ruled by other parties. Though if we're talking getting a nation by the right of conquest then Israel earned it.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

the Palestinians also doesn't deserve to live in Israel since it was ruled by other parties

Palestinian Arabs have been in Israel a lot longer than Jews have.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Palestinian Arabs have been in Israel a lot longer than Jews have.

And they got their own UN borders, if they didn't attack Israel they'd have kept their land. Especially that if you actually know the local geography the Jews got a fucking desert, while the Palestinians got the actual fertile land.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

the Jews got a fucking desert

And why should they have got that?

Ashkenazi Jews have no right to Palestine. They immigrated to Palestine. They are not indigenous to it. They have no right to a state there in the same way Pakistanis have no right to a state in the UK.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

And why should they have got that?

Ashkenazi Jews have no right to Palestine. They immigrated to Palestine. They are not indigenous to it. They have no right to a state there in the same way Pakistanis have no right to a state in the UK.

The only people who use the newspeak term "indigenous" are faggots who don't know their history. Do you consider every American to be a hostile entity in the USA because they also emigrated there after the "indigenous" indians, or is there some sort of magic amount of time which afterwards a population become indigenous? And why should arabs have the right to the country if there is an "indigenous" jewish and christian populations who also lived there and didn't expand or cultivate their living area, just because they were a relative minority? Is every unclaimed piece of land around you in 100 miles belongs to you just because you said so, and what if you sell this piece of land?

Also you keep bringing up Pakis in bongland, maybe do something about fixing your shitty country rather than divert your aggressions towards a different country in a great fashion of right winged cucks.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Also you keep bringing up Pakis in bongland, maybe do something about fixing your shitty country rather than divert your aggressions towards a different country in a great fashion of right winged cucks.

They are in the UK, but aren't native to the UK, have no right to a state in the UK and ideally wouldn't be in the UK. The same is true about Zionist settlers in Palestine.

 

[its hip to fuck bees]

Jesus is cool and all, and it would be a shame for all the history there, but it'd probably be better to turn it into a glass parking lot with the rest of the middle east

 

[chris driver]

as one of the voting options state: It can stay, but it needs some serious changes.
no more oppression to palestine, no more (extreme) xenophobia and isolationism, and a more well-rounded, progressive system must be implemented to it, both politically, socially and culturally.

they should really come up to the 21st century, and to have some basic rights and qualities established as a modern (open) democratic nation, because they NEED to behave like a modern democratic nation, and not as an isolated kingdom from the 1500's...

other than that, we're good.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

If "no one was really living there" why has it taken 70 years for Palestinian territory to shrink to the levels it is today from the 40s when Israel was refounded?

That's a bullshit map. Stop using infographics and think you learned something from them.

The only people who use the newspeak term "indigenous" are faggots who don't know their history.

Exactly

and then they complain that Jews are not "indigenous" the region when sandniggers only go out of Saudi Arabia and swarmed the Middle-East and North Africa after Islam came out.

All Arabs back to Saudi Arabia.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I just don't know what to think with Israel anymore if I should be for or against it. I guess right now I'm mostly neutral.

- Still comes across as "lesser of two evils"; to me while Christians simping for Israel is an embarrassment, pro-Palestinian supporters come off like complete scumbags
- Doesn't have a more compelling case for land than Palestine does, neither side is "owed" anything
- Massive outsized influence in foreign policy

Everything else I'm not sure about. I can tell myself that Israel isn't bad, just has their own goals and agendas...but if I tell myself that, that's what Russia does, so I have doubts if I'm the stupid one or this is kayfabe bullshit where it doesn't really matter.

 

[BerserkKing99]

its gotta go. just like every other nation jews ruined with their lgbt blm open borders multiculturalism israel should suffer the same of what they've done to Europe. OPEN BORDERS FOR ISRAEL.

I just don't know what to think with Israel anymore if I should be for or against it. I guess right now I'm mostly neutral.

- Still comes across as "lesser of two evils"; to me while Christians simping for Israel is an embarrassment, pro-Palestinian supporters come off like complete scumbags
- Doesn't have a more compelling case for land than Palestine does, neither side is "owed" anything
- Massive outsized influence in foreign policy

Everything else I'm not sure about. I can tell myself that Israel isn't bad, just has their own goals and agendas...but if I tell myself that, that's what Russia does, so I have doubts if I'm the stupid one or this is kayfabe bullshit where it doesn't really matter.

never side with israel, they're the same jews that advocate for censorship and especially on the internet and control US congress (especially with their israeli owned ADL who claims to "train" the FBI). Not only that they are complete and utter fucking hypocrites when it comes to borders and nationalism, they tell European nations to open their borders and to be multicultural but israel kills, imprisons and humiliates any goyim that is within their land. and lets not forget israel has huge links to the US media/press along with hollywood. thats why the media is so pro israel. i would not side with the same nation that's supported by the anti white press.

Because this image was made by the people who use wikipedia as source. Jews bought/took over a fucktone of land before the UN decleration and were only really limited by numbers, while the innumerable palestinian bedouins who arrived in Israel just squatted in random places and spun tales about their families living there for 1000 years.
Palestinians losing land afterwards is what you fucking get for trying to conquer a country and failing.

Nah (((they))) deserve it.

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[1000 bugs]

I just don't know what to think with Israel anymore if I should be for or against it. I guess right now I'm mostly neutral.

- Still comes across as "lesser of two evils"; to me while Christians simping for Israel is an embarrassment, pro-Palestinian supporters come off like complete scumbags
- Doesn't have a more compelling case for land than Palestine does, neither side is "owed" anything
- Massive outsized influence in foreign policy

Everything else I'm not sure about. I can tell myself that Israel isn't bad, just has their own goals and agendas...but if I tell myself that, that's what Russia does, so I have doubts if I'm the stupid one or this is kayfabe bullshit where it doesn't really matter.

Not sure if you're American but Israel extending their bombing into Lebanon is bad news for us, and the rest of the Western countries that give Israel military aid. Our support for Israel came as a result of the Holocaust, and in more recent years because of the 9/11 attacks and the War on Terror. As others have said in this thread, Hamas is mostly centralized these days, and if anything continuing to support Israel makes us a larger target for them. Not that I think they would do anything to us, because why didn't they during any of the Intifadas? Following October 7th it seems that Israel is losing the "political correctness" war. Times are changing and now that the Holocaust isn't in recent memory the younger generation sympathizes with Palestinians more easily. Both Palestinian resistance fighters and the IDF don't hesitate to commit horrible crimes against each other, but Israel has had extensive global support from the Western world for decades. So I guess it depends on if you think that's fair or not.